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Yes it's a mess right now. QQQ.

I finished last with a dozen victories. Here I'd like to hear tips on how others succeeded. Plenty of QQ threads, post the salt there please.

Couple things I noticed

Protect the CVs. They are useful  in harassing the enemy and providing vision. Game is tougher once they go down

Check the ships in your proximity. Are they bots or players? Bot friends will suicide in the first minutes. Plan your deployment accordingly, you may have to hold the flank on your own. I never used to check who was next to me. I am now.

Don't be hyper aggressive. 

Sneaky torpedoey tactics yielding more damage than balls to the wall gunboaty tactics. My Kagero outscored my Akizuki and Harekaze consistently

Take that red ship off the map. In my BBs if I see a red ship with a sliver, I take it. I don't look for the big damage shot.

Conserve hp.

I am scoring less but still winning. What tips can you add?

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Whenever  I do coop in a CV my team dies and I end up having to kill the BBs on my own :(

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If you play dd as I do, spot for your friendlies, and stay alive, there are always BB's dragging their feet in the back, work as a team, and when it's safe, rush that bb and sink it.

I can't say this enough, CAP CAP CAP, the bots will often cap and can actually beat you that way, so CAP when you can.

Encourage your fellow players to get in the game, be friendly, not pushy, you'd be surprised how often they want to help, but don't know what they should be doing.

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5 minutes ago, Sinboto said:

Whenever  I do coop in a CV my team dies and I end up having to kill the BBs on my own :(

Yup, happened to me last night. Died and the CV had to take out the Bismarck. But I shaved 71k off his health. 

Look me up in game I'll gladly play with a CV, I am west coast though

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I rarely lose in Co-op.

Well, until yesterday.  The CV re-work seems to have buggered Co-op pretty good.

Players can have multiple CV's, but the bots don't get any.

And now the bots are winning a lot more.

Coincidence?

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14 minutes ago, Wombatmetal said:

Yes it's a mess right now. QQQ.

I finished last with a dozen victories. Here I'd like to hear tips on how others succeeded. Plenty of QQ threads, post the salt there please.

Couple things I noticed

Protect the CVs. They are useful  in harassing the enemy and providing vision. Game is tougher once they go down

Check the ships in your proximity. Are they bots or players? Bot friends will suicide in the first minutes. Plan your deployment accordingly, you may have to hold the flank on your own. I never used to check who was next to me. I am now.

Don't be hyper aggressive. 

Sneaky torpedoey tactics yielding more damage than balls to the wall gunboaty tactics. My Kagero outscored my Akizuki and Harekaze consistently

Take that red ship off the map. In my BBs if I see a red ship with a sliver, I take it. I don't look for the big damage shot.

Conserve hp.

I am scoring less but still winning. What tips can you add?

All good points.

Hyper aggressive isn't the best strategy right now. I've been watching the human BBs just roll into brawls and get destroyed quick.

The CVs are learning and can put your side anywhere from a 16-24 gun deficit consequently co-op players just need to play smarter for a bit.

They'll get the hang of it in time, until then it isn't the same game as two days ago.

 

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Just now, desmo_2 said:

I rarely lose in Co-op.

Well, until yesterday.  The CV re-work seems to have buggered Co-op pretty good.

Players can have multiple CV's, but the bots don't get any.

And now the bots are winning a lot more.

Coincidence?

Not at all. Duke of Wellington said of Waterloo "they came at us the same old way and we beat them the same old way". Or words to that effect.

It's a new meta. People are still succeeding. What can you change in your game to succeed?

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2 minutes ago, Wombatmetal said:

What can you change in your game to succeed?

Quit playing CV's, apparently.

I can't influence the game enough in them, even in Co-op.  I haven't even thought about taking a CV into Random.

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8 minutes ago, desmo_2 said:

I rarely lose in Co-op.

Well, until yesterday.  The CV re-work seems to have buggered Co-op pretty good.

Players can have multiple CV's, but the bots don't get any.

And now the bots are winning a lot more.

Coincidence?

Co-op is fine, human players need to adjust their tactics and strategies - see my points above.

I had 2 co-op losses in NC today not because of the CVs- they get a pass. Now the other human BBs were oblivious to the fact they were outgunned from the beginning and did nothing to adjust.

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26 minutes ago, Wombatmetal said:

 

Take that red ship off the map. In my BBs if I see a red ship with a sliver, I take it. I don't look for the big damage shot.

 

Especially if they have torps or a high rof. 

When having to deal with the extra BBs, being set on fire of having to go broadside to avoid torps is more than a nuisance.

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25 minutes ago, Wombatmetal said:

What tips can you add?

Play only Operations or deal with the pain of ranked right now until the CV craze dies down and WG corrects some of the short comings. 

I plan on seeing micro patches over the next few weeks (for the next 55 days, coinciding with the last day to refund your CV's). 

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My 2 cents on the new co-op 'meta'.

Due to BBs replacing CVs on the enemy bot team, the red team will be very BB heavy.  Alot of times, 5 of the 8 enemy bots will be BBs.

In this environment, being in a cruiser is not fun.  IMHO the best ship to be in is any DD with decent range on their torps.

Conserve your HP.  Don't be overly aggressive.  Do not get in a situation where you are being focus fired on by the bots.

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2 minutes ago, neptunes_wrath said:

How to succeed in Co-op

 

CLICK BATTLE

 

You obviously have not played Co-op lately.

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10 minutes ago, desmo_2 said:

I rarely lose in Co-op.

Well, until yesterday.  The CV re-work seems to have buggered Co-op pretty good.

Players can have multiple CV's, but the bots don't get any.

And now the bots are winning a lot more.

Coincidence?

I think there is more than that.

I just was in 2 games in a row where I opened up on a enemy ship. Then next thing I was being focused fired on by ALL the bots at once from all over the map. Over 2 or 3 islands max range shots from BB's. once they finished me off in less than 1 minute they did the same to the rest of the team. I thought something was off yesterday but I only played a little, now I pretty certain someone been messing with the Bot AI again....

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3 minutes ago, DeathsStalker said:

I think there is more than that.

I just was in 2 games in a row where I opened up on a enemy ship. Then next thing I was being focused fired on by ALL the bots at once from all over the map. Over 2 or 3 islands max range shots from BB's. once they finished me off in less than 1 minute they did the same to the rest of the team. I thought something was off yesterday but I only played a little, now I pretty certain someone been messing with the Bot AI again....

That's a good tip. I wait to see the bot open fire before I do

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6 minutes ago, DeathsStalker said:

now I pretty certain someone been messing with the Bot AI again....

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that, I said the other day the bot AI has been turned up a notch lol

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5 minutes ago, jmanII said:

You obviously have not played Co-op lately.

i PLAYED ALL 123 OF MY SHIPS AND WON 123 GAMES IN COOP....

It is not much fun with almost ZERO difficulty winning 123 games in a row...
SO yeah I have played COOP lately... I might even play with THIS account too.... are you that bad at COOP you hide your stats??? or is it something else that makes you say these things???

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11 minutes ago, neptunes_wrath said:

How to succeed in Co-op

 

CLICK BATTLE

 

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Being down a BB or 2 and having clueless BBubba roll into the cap unaware he is outgunned puts your team down even more.

The CVs will catch up but right it is a little more challenging than 2 days ago.

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8 minutes ago, DeathsStalker said:

I think there is more than that.

I just was in 2 games in a row where I opened up on a enemy ship. Then next thing I was being focused fired on by ALL the bots at once from all over the map. Over 2 or 3 islands max range shots from BB's. once they finished me off in less than 1 minute they did the same to the rest of the team. I thought something was off yesterday but I only played a little, now I pretty certain someone been messing with the Bot AI again....

you in a DD???  Bots focus on a DD no matter WHAT is right in front of them.... maybe you were in a DD

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The two times I tried CVs in Coop I got slaughtered.  All my planes would get shot down and I couldn't damage anything. 

What is the secret for getting through the flak?

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19 minutes ago, desmo_2 said:

The CV re-work seems to have buggered Co-op pretty good.

Players can have multiple CV's, but the bots don't get any.

And now the bots are winning a lot more.

Coincidence?

No coincidence at all. People screamed endlessly that carriers had too much presence and alpha-strike capability. Now the alpha-strike capability has been removed and the carrier can't lift its own weight against a battleship any more. If you'd tried the current co-op MM with RTS carriers, the bots would be slaughtered; the CV would chunk them down to easy meat if they didn't sink them outright, and the rest of the team would have no trouble coping with them in the usual reckless co-op style.

Now the rest of the team has to carry a lot, and people who played in the same way as before are getting a nasty shock.

Things will improve as the ability of CV drivers who didn't play the PTS to make consistent hits increases, and hopefully a touch of buffing to damage done will also occur. But that'll take a week or two while WG builds figures across all the servers and finds out to what degree carriers are underperforming in damage and ships-sunk stats over the entire WOWS population, not just the interested and invested players who went into PTS and spent all their time working out how to wreck stuff.

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3 minutes ago, neptunes_wrath said:

you in a DD???  Bots focus on a DD no matter WHAT is right in front of them.... maybe you were in a DD

Boise and Scarnhorst  1st one I was right side of map with 2 BB's. @nd game I was in the BB with a DD in front of me.

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4 minutes ago, neptunes_wrath said:

i PLAYED ALL 123 OF MY SHIPS AND WON 123 GAMES IN COOP....

 

You played 123 games in co-op yesterday?

After the patch dropped?

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2 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

No coincidence at all. People screamed endlessly that carriers had too much presence and alpha-strike capability. Now the alpha-strike capability has been removed and the carrier can't lift its own weight against a battleship any more. If you'd tried the current co-op MM with RTS carriers, the bots would be slaughtered; the CV would chunk them down to easy meat if they didn't sink them outright, and the rest of the team would have no trouble coping with them in the usual reckless co-op style.

Now the rest of the team has to carry a lot, and people who played in the same way as before are getting a nasty shock.

Things will improve as the ability of CV drivers who didn't play the PTS to make consistent hits increases, and hopefully a touch of buffing to damage done will also occur. But that'll take a week or two while WG builds figures across all the servers and finds out to what degree carriers are underperforming in damage and ships-sunk stats over the entire WOWS population, not just the interested and invested players who went into PTS and spent all their time working out how to wreck stuff.

100% spot on.

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