537 [BWOLF] WhiteTulip Members 717 posts 13,918 battles Report post #1 Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Hear me out. I just came from another pointless game where our CV was completely outclassed by the enemy CV. The rework will not address the disparity of performance, and the high impact of the class of ship on a single game will further amplify that disparity. Furthermore, the rework will not address the risk-vs-reward imbalance; CVs can earn an insane reward for almost no risk already. Lastly, by giving CVs a mini-aircraft factory in their hanger deck, and thereby removing limits on the number of potential aircraft available in a single game, you will further amplify the existing problems with CV play. I ask you, in all seriousness, how many players are you willing to risk losing by maintaining this particular class of ship. I'm already planning on limiting my play to the next round of ranked battles, and then likely leaving. I do not see a future for this game anymore. At least consider dropping CVs. As I read it, the vast majority of the player base would approve of this. I don't think this will be like pulling the Graf Zeppelin after if flopped. There will likely be no turning this back. (And to preempt those that want to carp on the fact that I've spent money on this game, don't bother. These guys are capitalists, and I respect them for that. They're trying to earn a profit in an environment where many/most seem to think they should offer all this for free. They have every right to run this business as they chose to, just as I have every right to take my business elsewhere. I have no beef with the way things are priced here. I have a well paying job, it's my money, and I'll spend it where I chose. And yes, I know what the odds are of WG listening and taking the action I recommend. I've enjoyed this game a great deal since I discovered it, and I feel it necessary to speak my peace to avoid it being wrecked.) Edited January 23, 2019 by Grflrgl 65 3 12 33 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
161 Crudath Beta Testers 361 posts 137 battles Report post #2 Posted January 23, 2019 Agreed. Get rid of the LOW RISK - HIGH REWARD ship. 14 2 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,616 [-K-] Edgecase Members 6,122 posts 30,974 battles Report post #3 Posted January 23, 2019 This ship (and the hundred or so planes aboard it) sailed years ago. It's a waste of breath at this point to want them out of the game. Having them out of certain modes, on the other hand (like the T9 season of Ranked, or the 4 seasons of Clan Battles to date), seems like something they're more willing to consider, at least for now. 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,221 DouglasMacAwful Members 2,019 posts 9,662 battles Report post #4 Posted January 23, 2019 4 9 1 14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,666 [WOLF1] paradat Beta Testers 17,506 posts 26,494 battles Report post #5 Posted January 23, 2019 I think this change is going to breath life into a dead class. The skill gap should be less of an issue. It will of course still happen but we should have a lot more players playing CV. As the player base for the class grows the average experience should even out. It may be a bumpy road for a patch or two but we should land in a better place. Cheers. 4 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
172 [O_O] Shinnidan Members 1,090 posts 15,748 battles Report post #6 Posted January 23, 2019 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
260 JohnBlackJackGeary Members 924 posts 6,743 battles Report post #7 Posted January 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Grflrgl said: Hear me out. Ok did that. Now have you played at all in the public test? I’m my time in the TST and PST the skill gap problem is not nearly as bad as it is on live. CVs are here to stay for the foreseeable future and personally I hope they are always apart of the game. 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,581 [GWG] BrushWolf Alpha Tester 29,468 posts 15,927 battles Report post #8 Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, DouglasMacAwful said: And from the tenor of the OP he was not in any of the three tests nor on any of the now three PT's. 2 minutes ago, paradat said: I think this change is going to breath life into a dead class. The skill gap should be less of an issue. It will of course still happen but we should have a lot more players playing CV. As the player base for the class grows the average experience should even out. It may be a bumpy road for a patch or two but we should land in a better place. Cheers. This, with the current system the team that their CV wins the air battle has something like a 70% WR. With the new system the impact of the loss of a CV is about equal to the loss of any other single ship. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,054 DDJohnston Members 6,670 posts Report post #9 Posted January 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, BrushWolf said: With the new system the impact of the loss of a CV is about equal to the loss of any other single ship. Mainly because there is no CV-vs-CV air battle. Now who can spot and damage best can be the best, but probably doesn't determine the winner of the match w/o help from his/her team. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,299 [VCRUZ] Xlap Members 4,049 posts 9,180 battles Report post #10 Posted January 23, 2019 Kinda agree with OP. I would love to see CVs as a balanced class into the game. But i dont think CVs are ever going to be balanced. CVs can strike anywhere on the map, you cant run and you cant hide. Best you can to is try to survive. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,877 iRA6E Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 5,432 posts 9,039 battles Report post #11 Posted January 23, 2019 1 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,556 [GWG] AVR_Project Members 8,019 posts 16,368 battles Report post #12 Posted January 23, 2019 Right after they do away with 3-man Kamikaze-R divisions. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,031 [IXM] Vector03 Members 1,060 posts Report post #13 Posted January 23, 2019 I'd love them gone, but it's not likely to happen anytime soon. All those saying it will never happen, just remember subs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1 anonym_BTh9TT5P7Ko4 Members 1,271 posts Report post #14 Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) WGing never got rid of arty in World of Tanks despite the damage they caused to that game. All they did was give them a rework that made them worse to play against...oh wait Edited January 23, 2019 by anonym_BTh9TT5P7Ko4 2 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,290 [TSG4] ObiphanKenobi Volunteer Moderator, Privateers 3,992 posts 22,748 battles Report post #15 Posted January 23, 2019 WG took away the cross drop that differentiate the IJN and the USN, by dumbing it down to only control 1 type of squad as REQUEST by players who want to dumb down the game play style 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12,730 [SALVO] Crucis Members 28,300 posts 46,021 battles Report post #16 Posted January 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Grflrgl said: Hear me out. I just came from another pointless game where our CV was completely outclassed by the enemy CV. The rework will not address the disparity of performance, and the high impact of the class of ship on a single game will further amplify that disparity. Furthermore, the rework will not address the risk-vs-reward imbalance; CVs can earn an insane reward for almost no risk already. Lastly, by giving CVs a mini-aircraft factory in their hanger deck, and thereby removing limits on the number of potential aircraft available in a single game, you will further amplify the existing problems with CV play. I ask you, in all seriousness, how many players are you willing to risk losing by maintaining this particular class of ship. I'm already planning on limiting my play to the next round of ranked battles, and then likely leaving. I do not see a future for this game anymore. At least consider dropping CVs. As I read it, the vast majority of the player base would approve of this. I don't think this will be like pulling the Graf Zeppelin after if flopped. There will likely be no turning this back. (And to preempt those that want to carp on the fact that I've spent money on this game, don't bother. These guys are capitalists, and I respect them for that. They're trying to earn a profit in an environment where many/most seem to think they should offer all this for free. They have every right to run this business as they chose to, just as I have every right to take my business elsewhere. I have no beef with the way things are priced here. I have a well paying job, it's my money, and I'll spend it where I chose. And yes, I know what the odds are of WG listening and taking the action I recommend. I've enjoyed this game a great deal since I discovered it, and I feel it necessary to speak my peace to avoid it being wrecked.) 1. CVs are a ship TYPE, not a ship class. 2. While I'd love to see CVs removed from the game, there's no way in hell that WG is going to do it after having just spent all this time and money on the CV rework. And it's silly to think otherwise. Might they decide to remove CVs from the game a year or two from now? Who knows? Maybe. But they sure as hell are NOT going to do it before they've given the player base to play the CV rework on the live server for a few months!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,563 RyuuohD_NA Members 2,948 posts 94 battles Report post #17 Posted January 23, 2019 OP is probably living under a rock, oblivious of the CV rework and all 2 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12,730 [SALVO] Crucis Members 28,300 posts 46,021 battles Report post #18 Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Rabbitt81 said: WGing never got rid of arty in World of Tanks despite the damage they caused to that game. All they did was give them a rework that made them worse to play against...oh wait Whine some more, wabbit. I love playing arty in WoT. And while I'm not fond of the arty rework, when I do play a few games, I have found ways to be useful in my M53 in WoT. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,247 neptunes_wrath Members 3,326 posts 596 battles Report post #19 Posted January 23, 2019 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1 anonym_BTh9TT5P7Ko4 Members 1,271 posts Report post #20 Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, Crucis said: Whine some more, wabbit. I love playing arty in WoT. And while I'm not fond of the arty rework, when I do play a few games, I have found ways to be useful in my M53 in WoT. Oh did I criticize your enjoyment of arty in that game with my whining? Sorry not sorry that I triggered you now go back to your safe space please. You didn't comment on the subject of the post, that arty is a hated support class that ruins matches and the rework of it did nothing to solve that problem. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
537 [BWOLF] WhiteTulip Members 717 posts 13,918 battles Report post #21 Posted January 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, RyuuohD_NA said: OP is probably living under a rock, oblivious of the CV rework and all No, but thanks for assuming. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,521 [HINON] RipNuN2 Members 14,340 posts Report post #22 Posted January 23, 2019 31 minutes ago, Grflrgl said: At least consider dropping CVs. As I read it, the vast majority of the player base would approve of this. Nonsense. CVs are here to stay and I highly doubt the majority wants to get rid of them. Plenty of players have been rooting for and requesting a complete rework. The disparity in skill is far less with the rework and CVs are not near as influential as the current model. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,566 [ARP] Kebobs_ Members 2,259 posts 22,781 battles Report post #23 Posted January 23, 2019 wargaming has spent FAR too much money to back out. As soon as they began working on it, they were committed. Like it or not, here it comes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,039 Skpstr Members 34,409 posts 10,768 battles Report post #24 Posted January 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, Grflrgl said: Hear me out. I just came from another pointless game where our CV was completely outclassed by the enemy CV. The rework will not address the disparity of performance.. 34 minutes ago, Grflrgl said: Lastly, by giving CVs a mini-aircraft factory in their hanger deck, and thereby removing limits on the number of potential aircraft available in a single game.... So in one post, you tell us your CV was totally outclassed, which generally means deplaned. You say the rework will do nothing to address the performance disparity. How can the worst disparity, where one team has planes in the sky and the other doesn't, not be improved by one side not being able to run out of planes? I mean, if you want to express your views, that's fine, but at least keep track of what you've already said, and how it relates to what you're going to say next. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7,039 Skpstr Members 34,409 posts 10,768 battles Report post #25 Posted January 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, Grflrgl said: No, but thanks for assuming. Then where have you been? Why is it only after the rework has been announced, and almost to be released, that now you come forward and ask for CV removal? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
