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I know this was in testing, and I took a little 3 month break fro wows. Did this ever go live? I think it did, but I'm not 100% sure

 

Also, just to clarify, the mechanics of the proposed change were that BBs of all tiers would always overpenetrate destroyers right? Even if they are perfectly bow on and our shells had all the time and armor in the world to detonate?

 

 

If so I think this kinda dumb, but I'm just a silly BB main. I mean no citadel or penetrations on dds... I am locked into only doing 7k damage or so every 30 seconds

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You can get pens but do 10% of normal pen damage. Khab and Harugumo take full ap pen damage.

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3 minutes ago, Troa_Barton said:

Yep it's live.

DD mains be like
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That sucks. So a dd can just rush me and I am just expected to die. 

 

Dd mains complain too much

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Just now, _1204_ said:

That sucks. So a dd can just rush me and I am just expected to die. 

 

Dd mains complain too much

I'm conflicted about it on the one hand it was pretty ridiculous to one shot a DD as much as I enjoyed doing it and it encourages ammo selection but on the other hand it makes BBs that get rushed have little to no recourse.
If your DD never spotted theirs allowing for chip damage you're SOL, If you get too close to islands either on purpose or due to being driven to cover you're doomed.
Of course this also means that the enemy DD has to recognize you're an easy kill.

Personally I was hoping for a secondary base accuracy buff to compensate, that's kinda what they're for.

My advice is chunk them when you see them so they won't get away with it later.

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In Soviet Russia DD can one shot BB reliably but BB can't one shot DD reliably

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I really haven’t noticed difference at close range. My secondary guns and main guns are hitting them hard still and my secondary guns usually end the fight. 

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29 minutes ago, Troa_Barton said:

Yep it's live.

DD mains be like
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hahaha! wishful thinking :p

currently trying harder, b*tching less

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23 minutes ago, _1204_ said:

That sucks. So a dd can just rush me and I am just expected to die. 

 

Dd mains complain too much

1.) BBs as a ship type are overperforming and have yet to be balanced. In fact, even when the data concluded a nerf was needed, BBs got most of their citadels lowered/more released with lowered citadels.

2.) DDs are the lowest performing ship and have been since beta.

3.) A DD cannot just "rush you" and automatically win. You still have secondaries. YOU also have/had the choice to equip RPF, Vigilance, Spotting upgrade, etc. If your BB has a plane, YOU should have saved it. YOU, not the DD, has the longest range in the game, the MOST HP and ARMOR, AND the MOST damage second only to CVs. If you got in range of a DD where he could rush you in point blank, and the result is you sunk not him, YOU have completely failed as a player.

Imagine the "complaining" that would ensue if BBs were actually balanced for Risk vs Reward for once.

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YOLO rushing a BB is still a stupid move most of the time, with or without the auto-overpens.  If the BB has any friends around then they'll kill you, and if it doesn't have friends, and he's moving towards you, then you can just as easily torp him without suiciding.  If you can't easily put a spread in his path because you're not closing on the BB head-on, then you won't catch the BB before he kills you.  Now imagine the BB has hydro so he'll spot your longer-range torps and dodge them.  Guess what!  That means it's a German BB that will kill you with secondaries.  If you have island cover to surprise the BB at close range, set up an ambush instead. 

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15 minutes ago, Xanshin said:

Kurfurst does not see problem, here... move along.

Massachusetts does not see a problem, here... move along.

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DDs have easily surpassed everyone as the most coddled group in WoWs. They are no protected from thinking.

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28 minutes ago, KnyxUDL said:

1.) BBs as a ship type are overperforming and have yet to be balanced. In fact, even when the data concluded a nerf was needed, BBs got most of their citadels lowered/more released with lowered citadels.

Show any data.  

29 minutes ago, KnyxUDL said:

2.) DDs are the lowest performing ship and have been since beta.

Refer to previous point.

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The change is live. Red pens from guns 280mm+ only do overmatch damage.

Seriously, how often do you guys get charged point blank by destroyers?

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Often enough that I don't like the change (as I've managed to kill a few DDs that closed on torp runs - remember NOT all DDs have real long torp ranges).  Typically this is at tiers below Tier X.  Without the captain skill (Expert Loader) means I'm going to continue the current reload and fire AP and will have HE for the next set of shells assuming I'm still alive.

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8 minutes ago, Edgecase said:

The change is live. Red pens from guns 280mm+ only do overmatch damage.

Seriously, how often do you guys get charged point blank by destroyers?

For all practical purposes, they don't.  They just want to complain.  I challenge you guys that think this is unfair to look up the survival rates for DDs per and post change and see if DDs have become invincible. 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/shipstats/index.html

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16 minutes ago, Edgecase said:

Seriously, how often do you guys get charged point blank by destroyers?

I don't think I've ever been successfully suicide ganked by a DD while in a BB.  I've done it a few times, though extremely rarely.  

I still don't think it was a good change because it dumbs down decision making while in a DD, and I am against most changes that dumb down the game.  I also didn't like the BB citadel changes for the same reason.  I don't like that certain ships have a "get out of jail free" card, while others do not.  

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42 minutes ago, Edgecase said:

The change is live. Red pens from guns 280mm+ only do overmatch damage.

Seriously, how often do you guys get charged point blank by destroyers?

That's what I wand to know, I figure even with the change assuming you get a good salvo with multiple hits you should maul most DD's in the game. DD's who survive said mauling are probably walking on eggshells the rest of the match.

It should only really be possible for a DD to survive a point blank attack if it's an ambush or if you are alone. If the BB let himself get ambushed or is alone he had it coming.

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39 minutes ago, Slimeball91 said:

For all practical purposes, they don't.  They just want to complain.  I challenge you guys that think this is unfair to look up the survival rates for DDs per and post change and see if DDs have become invincible. 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/shipstats/index.html

There's always going to be friction between DDs , BBs , CAs and CVs .  A lot of us feel like we are getting the small piece of the pie but it's always hard to cut that pie into even slices . Some things aren't fair I don't like getting hit by 6 torps from a CVs plane that I can't dodge or getting HE spamed  from CA I cant see or hit because its behind an island . But I love having guns that can dev strike anything from almost any were has great armour  its all a trade off nobody forces you to play the ship you choice . Too much complaining much respect for DD players think its the hardest boat to play they need a little extra help they have a short life span in most games . 

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58 minutes ago, Edgecase said:

The change is live. Red pens from guns 280mm+ only do overmatch damage.

Seriously, how often do you guys get charged point blank by destroyers?

In battleships? Often enough I feel. Either because I want a push to happen, I feel everyone is being too much of a ninny to hunt dds, or nobody killed them for a good amount of time and i'm one of the few targets left.  Which in itself is kinda of amusing since I figured they would use the stealth range to their advantage and not get into spotting distance just to torp me. 

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2 hours ago, _1204_ said:

I know this was in testing, and I took a little 3 month break fro wows. Did this ever go live? I think it did, but I'm not 100% sure

 

Also, just to clarify, the mechanics of the proposed change were that BBs of all tiers would always overpenetrate destroyers right? Even if they are perfectly bow on and our shells had all the time and armor in the world to detonate?

 

 

If so I think this kinda dumb, but I'm just a silly BB main. I mean no citadel or penetrations on dds... I am locked into only doing 7k damage or so every 30 seconds

No matter what you get for a hit (ie; pen or overpen) you will always get 10% overpen damage.

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