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posted this in the kantai thread but dont think a lot of people look in that thread anymore...

From Reddit "At the end of the Jazz Festival they had a trailer for a new anime."

cant wait for this and the AL anime this year hopefully. 

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I hope it take the movie's darker tone compared to the TV series' SoL/action theme!

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12 minutes ago, WuYixiang said:

I hope it take the movie's darker tone compared to the TV series' SoL/action theme!

I think it will based on that trailer. That looked like it could be the Battle of Surigao Strait to me.

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1 hour ago, Kittens_On_Board said:

I think it will based on that trailer. That looked like it could be the Battle of Surigao Strait to me.

yep  Surigao Straight (Nishimura’s Southern Task Force): Yamashiro, Fuso, Mogami with the destroyers Shigure, Michishio, Asagumo and Yamagumo, only Shigure survived the battle. 

also you see Yahagi fighting, looks like against aircraft. this could be center force vs taffy 3 so we could see sammy and gamby in the anime. Yukikaze is also seen in the trailer she being the destroyer that came up along the sinking Johnston and gave her a salute as Johnston sank...

the anime could end with Ten-Go since you see some of the girls from that also in the trailer.

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Shigure and Yahagi?

"Japanese Destroyer Captain: The Anime"

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So, more IJN stuff like with season 1, no sign of foreign shipgirls that aren't represented by the abyssals, seemingly more of the same revisionism from season 1 with Midway but this time applied to Leyte and possibly Ten-Go as well...

Guess I'll probably be rooting for the abyssals once again, unless they pleasantly subvert my expectations of this being the same apologist/revisionist garbage that the first season was.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Avenge_December_7 said:

So, more IJN stuff like with season 1, no sign of foreign shipgirls that aren't represented by the abyssals, seemingly more of the same revisionism from season 1 with Midway but this time applied to Leyte and possibly Ten-Go as well...

Guess I'll probably be rooting for the abyssals once again, unless they pleasantly subvert my expectations of this being the same apologist/revisionist garbage that the first season was.

It won't subvert your expectations. KC is unapologetically "Japan did nothing wrong".

Tbh it reflects a trend in Japanese society. They've never really accepted their actions in WW2 as the bad guys like Germany managed to do. Whenever Japan depicts themselves in WW2, they mostly show themselves sympathetically as honorably defending the homeland, and leave out all the uncomfortable bits like Nanking, war crimes, 'comfort women', etc. Personally the only time I've seen the Japanese depict Imperial Japan negatively was GuP, where Chihatan Academy (The 'IJA' school) were shown as tactically retarded, suicidal banzai lemmings. But I digress.

The KC devs are fervent nationalists. It's clear that they'll keep releasing more kaibokan lolis nobody cares about, and would rather die than put in Enterprise who kicked their face in, or Missouri where the surrender was signed. I find it interesting to note that 3 of the 5 US ships in KC are ones that the IJN managed to sink historically.

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1 hour ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

It won't subvert your expectations. KC is unapologetically "Japan did nothing wrong".

Well, that's unfortunate. I guess I'll just have to hope for some shipgirl deaths like Kisaragi's in the first season then.

1 hour ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

The KC devs are fervent nationalists. It's clear that they'll keep releasing more kaibokan lolis nobody cares about, and would rather die than put in Enterprise who kicked their face in, or Missouri where the surrender was signed.

I don't know about Missouri, considering her elder sister is already released and Missouri otherwise didn't really have much of a notable record in WW2.

Enterprise definitely won't come for a while though, and I abhor the fact that they somehow made a relatively no-name seaplane tender the final reward as opposed to bloody Johnston. Guess they couldn't take the fact that a few destroyers, destroyer escorts, and CVEs managed to make Yamato & her escorts turn tail and run, and thus make Johnston into an actually intimidating boss. Seriously, so far all the notable USN-based bosses—Arizona in Spring 2016 and Saratoga in Fall 2016—are pretty much the only ones that had some sort of massive weakness; Central Hime could be one-shotted in the initial carrier airstrikes and Jellyfish Hime took massive damage from the three ships that were also at Crossroads.

2 hours ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

I find it interesting to note that 3 of the 5 US ships in KC are ones that the IJN managed to sink historically.

Well, of the 6 ships in KC right now (counting Johnston):

  1. Iowa basically never fought in any of the critical battles—honestly, she basically did shore bombardment, shot down some planes, and seal-clubbed some ships in Truk (notably Katori).
  2. Saratoga spent a ton of time in the docks and, considering the fact that she was there from the start to the end of the war and yet only earned 8 battle stars (and the fact that her most notable kill is Ryujo, compared to, say, Washington who basically carried the fight in Guadalcanal and somehow didn't lose a single man during her whole career or Enterprise), her service record gets overshadowed even by the likes of the Essex-class carriers despite their much later entry into the war.
  3. Gambier Bay's only real claim to fame is being sunk at Samar—guess the KC devs didn't want White Plains just yet (her event was also the Leyte event, and yet somehow abyssal Zuikaku is the final boss and Intrepid of all ships was the final reward).
  4. Intrepid basically got thrown to the artistic wolves (they got basically their worst artist to draw her) and could probably be lumped into the whole "USN steamroller '43-'45" group rather than the "desperate fight against the cream of the IJN crop" of 1941-42 like the Yorktowns or North Carolinas.
  5. Samuel B. Roberts did punch far above her weight at Samar, but in the end she was sunk (and by one of the most popular KC characters, Kongo).
  6. The above also applies to Johnston.

So basically, the ships that actually did do well when it mattered were sunk (Gambier Bay may be an exception, but a CVL in the gunsights of enemy surface ships is already in serious trouble regardless, so it's hard to blame her), two of the rest basically were part of a massive wave of naval forces that could overwhelm anything the Japanese threw against them when it manifested around 1943, and the last one spent a disproportionate time in the repair docks and thus earned a surprisingly low number of battle stars given the fact that she was there from the start of the war to the end.

It seems the KC devs aren't doing the same for the Royal Navy though—Warspite, Ark Royal, Nelson, and Jervis all have pretty big claims to fame in beating down the Kriegsmarine, but they are still massively outnumbered by IJN ships regardless—understandable given the audience, but still irritating given its prominence historically. Heck, the Italians and even the massively outclassed Germans have more shipgirls.

So yeah, it's basically Axis-colle with a selective few shipgirls from Allied nations which are massively outnumbered. (And, for some reason, they gave Musashi of all warships a retrofit to the never-completed A-150 design, making her massively OP despite the fact that she's already a bloody Yamato-class and thus already powerful without a retrofit).

They did give Saratoga a retrofit though, but at least her retrofit is grounded more in historical reality (she did get one in 1944 and the night-fighting aspect of her redesign is fairly accurate).

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1 hour ago, Avenge_December_7 said:

It seems the KC devs aren't doing the same for the Royal Navy though—Warspite, Ark Royal, Nelson, and Jervis all have pretty big claims to fame in beating down the Kriegsmarine, but they are still massively outnumbered by IJN ships regardless—understandable given the audience, but still irritating given its prominence historically. Heck, the Italians and even the massively outclassed Germans have more shipgirls.

Yeah well, we didn't bitchslap the IJN like how the USN did. So there's probably less grudges there among the right wing nationalists that KC panders to.

The average ignorant right wing IJN milliotaku thinks that the RN was weak, because they took out Repulse and Prince of Wales. They always conveniently ignore the fact that the Brits were already fighting two other major threats when Japan stabbed them in the back. Never mind the japanese otaku, there are deluded weebs in this forum who think the IJN could have taken on the RN 1v1.

The token foreigners are there to help deflect criticism of KC having no foreign navies, and to fawn over the IJN. Just look at KC Iowa's voice which is basically "Wow! Japan great!"

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On 1/4/2019 at 4:12 PM, Shigure_DD said:

posted this in the kantai thread but dont think a lot of people look in that thread anymore...

From Reddit "At the end of the Jazz Festival they had a trailer for a new anime."

cant wait for this and the AL anime this year hopefully. 

A Surigao Strait scene, eh?  I'm kind of surprised that they waited so long to follow up though.  It's been years.

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Honestly, despite it having been a while, I still don't have high hopes. The first KC anime was such a low-bar let down that I'm really skeptical. The Azur Lane anime looks be be much better in every way, although that still won't stop or apease the die-hard IJN fanboi's or the AL haters. That said, I just don't have any sort of high expectations from this one, given the record of the first season and the "movie"

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Oh wow, I didn't know that people are mad because an anime adaptation of a Japanese-made game about anthropomorphized  WWII warships that's on its core made for a Japanese audience decides to focus on the Japanese side!

Are people here in NA seriously this mad that the USN is not depicted as the "real heroes who defeated the Japanese barbarians"?

No wonder KC already died out here.

Just go watch Azur Lane anime instead, it will satisfy the "Allies Saves The Day" more.
 

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Just now, RyuuohD_NA said:

Oh wow, I didn't know that people are mad because an anime adaptation of a Japanese-made game about anthropomorphized  WWII warships that's on its core made for a Japanese audience decides to focus on the Japanese side!

Are people here in NA seriously this mad that the USN is not depicted as the "real heroes who defeated the Japanese barbarians"?
 

There's a difference between "focusing on the Japanese side" and glorifying the Japanese side, while minimizing the ships that actually served with distinction on the Allied side. The few they do add, as @Avenge_December_7 pointed out, were either sunk, or didn't do all that much. Several of the Allied ships are all Pro-Japan, let's-serve-with-the-ships-we-fought-against mentality. Look at Iowa. Look at many of the other nation's ships. 

 

This is one of the big reasons I prefer Azur Lane. Despite being a Chinese-made game, they include many of the Axis ships. Akagi and Kaga, or example, are some of the big faces of the game, along with Enterprise. They aren't afraid to add ships, many ships, from all nations. Axis and Allies. 

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1 minute ago, 7_3_PowerStroke said:

There's a difference between "focusing on the Japanese side" and glorifying the Japanese side, while minimizing the ships that actually served with distinction on the Allied side. The few they do add, as @Avenge_December_7 pointed out, were either sunk, or didn't do all that much. Several of the Allied ships are all Pro-Japan, let's-serve-with-the-ships-we-fought-against mentality. Look at Iowa. Look at many of the other nation's ships. 

 

This is one of the big reasons I prefer Azur Lane. Despite being a Chinese-made game, they include many of the Axis ships. Akagi and Kaga, or example, are some of the big faces of the game, along with Enterprise. They aren't afraid to add ships, many ships, from all nations. Axis and Allies. 

I guess the only way to satisfy the people here is to force the game developers to admit that the Japanese are war-criminal losers, and release more Allied shipgirls like Enterprise and the resurrected Pearl Harbor ships that points out how "you Japanese shipgirls are self-deceiving war criminals, while we are the real heroes who deserves the spotlight"?

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Just now, RyuuohD_NA said:

I guess the only way to satisfy the people here is to force the game developers to admit that the Japanese are war-criminal losers, and release more Allied shipgirls like Enterprise and the resurrected Pearl Harbor ships that points out how "you Japanese shipgirls are self-deceiving war criminals, while we are the real heroes who deserves the spotlight"?

No. This issue is that Kancolle only focuses on one nation, and tries to paint them as ones who did nothing wrong, and were the unfortunate, tragic victims. I can understand why KC focuses on one nation, but that's part of the problem. KC basically revolves around the supposed tragedy of the IJN. As harsh as it sounds, the Japanese were "war-criminals losers". Plain and simple. I'm not trying to say that the focus of the game should shift all the way to the other side of the spectrum, but that the way the game is set up and themed is a big turn away for some people.

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1 hour ago, RyuuohD_NA said:

Oh wow, I didn't know that people are mad because an anime adaptation of a Japanese-made game about anthropomorphized  WWII warships that's on its core made for a Japanese audience decides to focus on the Japanese side!

Are people here in NA seriously this mad that the USN is not depicted as the "real heroes who defeated the Japanese barbarians"?

No wonder KC already died out here.

Just go watch Azur Lane anime instead, it will satisfy the "Allies Saves The Day" more.
 

Wow talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Personally I like to think that I've probably done more than any other person on this forum to raise awareness of KC back in the early days. "Allies save the day" I am not. I have very little interest in the USN, and I was beating up Guadalcanal in Autumn 2013 long before most Western KC fans heard the word "Poi".

I ignored it for the game, but even in the early days it was very clearly IJN moe waifus verses monstrous Not-American invaders that used US weaponry and had names like Midway Princess. There was always a very blatant undertone of revisionism which was a symptom of a sizeable segment of Japanese society. KC was designed by right wingers to appeal to Japanese military otaku first and foremost who are by nature right ring, and it always has been. it's international success was a complete accident as it just happened to be near the forefront of what became waifu gatcha games. Criticising KC for it revisionism is valid, because that is exactly what it promotes to its youth and to foreign gaijin. KC has actually soften a lot of it as it became mainstream, but ultimately KC revolves around the tragedy of the IJN, and 'Japan did nothing wrong'. Frankly that's an accusation that can be levelled at most Japanese media that depicts the armed forces of Imperial Japan in WW2. TBH KC isn't near some of the worst offenders *cough* Konpeki no Kantai *cough*.

And if you think KC really died here in the West because there wasn't enough "Allies saves the day", then you need to do a bit more research. KC is in major decline here, but also in Japan where it should strongest. KC is really old! Even when it first came out it wasn't technologically the best thing since sliced bread. It has stagnated and refuses to adapt. Since 2013 we have vastly superior, fun, and engaging waifu gatcha games like Fate: Grand Order, Granblue Fantasy, Fire Emblem Heroes, Girls Frontline, Azur Lane, and many many more out there. And KC has never ever tried to reach out to the Western audience where the others did. Heck Granblue Fantasy is Japan only but the game has a full English translation option in the anticipation that Westerners will find a way to install it.

Honestly the greatest tragedy is that KC never even consider grasping the opportunities that appear their way. Wargaming's Japan branch actually approached KC about a collaboration, but WG was rejected, and now AL has snapped it up. KC never bothered to try going international when the demand was there. The PS Vita game and the Arcade game is Japan only. KC anime season 1 was a mess. Season 2 really needed to have come out 2 years ago when more modern gatcha games weren't taking bites out of their fanbase as hard, and doujin groups weren't yet beginning to leave for newer things.

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12 hours ago, RyuuohD_NA said:

I guess the only way to satisfy the people here is to force the game developers to admit that the Japanese are war-criminal losers, and release more Allied shipgirls like Enterprise and the resurrected Pearl Harbor ships that points out how "you Japanese shipgirls are self-deceiving war criminals, while we are the real heroes who deserves the spotlight"?

And what were the Japanese during WW2 other than war-criminal losers?

  • Liars who used the illusion of an anti-western-colonialism liberating crusade to fuel their own, even more brutal colonial/imperialist regime, not to mention lying to their own government, military commanders, and civilians when the war started going against them?
  • Infighters who constantly sabotaged themselves via basically a cold war between the army and the navy?
  • Hypocrites who talked about "honor" while giving the Nazis a run for their money in the genocide and general war crimes department
  • Militant fanatics who started and wanted to fight a hopeless war of conquest to the bitter end despite a horrendous humanitarian cost, no hope of victory against an enemy they had presumed would just roll over and give way, and had to be literally twice-nuked into submission (and even then launched a coup against their supposed "living god" just to prevent his surrender broadcast)?

Every single operation in both the KC game and anime so far has been based on IJN or Axis-based operations, everything from the Pearl Harbor raid of the Spring 2016 event to Operation MI in season 1 of the anime. All of the abyssal forces were unmistakably representing the historical USN forces, and all of the IJN ships are consistently depicted as heroically fighting against the evil alien forces, sometimes to the point of absurdity like when Yamato downs 4 abyssal bombers with a single salvo of beehive rounds from her main turrets, when in reality they were hilariously ineffective and Yamato only managed to shoot down a grand total of 3 planes during the whole of Ten-Go.

Azur Lane at least doesn't overly glorify the ROC ships and threads the line between overly praising and overly condemning the IJN ships by a) making it clear that the sirens are manipulating them from behind the scenes and b) having there be a civil war between the siren-aligned and anti-siren factions in the IJN. There is none of this in KC, only "glorious IJN, a lot of them with fictional refits like Musashi, and some foreign ships face off against evil gaijin shipgirls that just so happen to be in the exact positions of the USN and sometimes RN during WW2".

There's a reason why modern-day Germany's neighbors and victims of its genocidal rampage across Europe, Africa, and certain parts of Asia give out far less criticism of how Germany dealt with its crimes during the war compared to Japan, and it isn't because it killed less people, that's for sure.

Frankly, as someone of Chinese descent, I'd be much more willing to forgive and forget if they would give a clear confession and apology for their crimes and stop trying to glorify that era or deny their misdeeds. Instead, when they pull stuff like this and put more than a thousand convicted war criminals onto one of their most sacred military memorials, it only hardens my attitude towards them.

11 hours ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

Honestly the greatest tragedy is that KC never even consider grasping the opportunities that appear their way. Wargaming's Japan branch actually approached KC about a collaboration, but WG was rejected, and now AL has snapped it up. KC never bothered to try going international when the demand was there.

Truth. When I first learned about Kancolle, I honestly would very much have liked to try it out, yet the sheer amount of barriers they threw up, everything from the lottery system to region lockouts, dissuaded me from trying. Azur Lane initially had barriers too, but when they put it out for English speakers on the easily accessible iTunes store and gave out incentive to join (Yorktown, Saratoga, and Prinz Eugen), they finally persuaded me to take the leap.

11 hours ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

And if you think KC really died here in the West because there wasn't enough "Allies saves the day", then you need to do a bit more research. KC is in major decline here, but also in Japan where it should strongest. KC is really old! Even when it first came out it wasn't technologically the best thing since sliced bread. It has stagnated and refuses to adapt. Since 2013 we have vastly superior, fun, and engaging waifu gatcha games like Fate: Grand Order, Granblue Fantasy, Fire Emblem Heroes, Girls Frontline, Azur Lane, and many many more out there. And KC has never ever tried to reach out to the Western audience where the others did. Heck Granblue Fantasy is Japan only but the game has a full English translation option in the anticipation that Westerners will find a way to install it.

To make a Star Wars analogy, KC was the old Jedi order, and its competitors like Azur Lane were Palpatine and the post-Banite Sith. These two quotes from the Revenge of the Sith novel, IMO, are of particular relevance.

"A thousand years of hidden Sith exulted in their victory. 'Your time is over! The Sith rule the galaxy! Now and forever!'"

"The Sith had changed. The Sith had grown, had adapted, had invested a thousand years' intensive study into every aspect of not only the Force but Jedi lore itself, in preparation for exactly this day. The Sith had remade themselves. They had become new. While the Jedi— The Jedi had spent that same millennium training to refight the last war."

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1 hour ago, Avenge_December_7 said:

 

To make a Star Wars analogy, KC was the old Jedi order, and its competitors like Azur Lane were Palpatine and the post-Banite Sith. These two quotes from the Revenge of the Sith novel, IMO, are of particular relevance.

"A thousand years of hidden Sith exulted in their victory. 'Your time is over! The Sith rule the galaxy! Now and forever!'"

"The Sith had changed. The Sith had grown, had adapted, had invested a thousand years' intensive study into every aspect of not only the Force but Jedi lore itself, in preparation for exactly this day. The Sith had remade themselves. They had become new. While the Jedi— The Jedi had spent that same millennium training to refight the last war."

Nah it's not Azur Lane. The true Sith lords are Fate Grand Order, and Saber is Palpatine with blond hair and no boobs.:Smile_teethhappy:

The big cheese in Japan isn't AL, but FGO. AL has had to eat into KC's market, but FGO already had a huge Fate fanbase to exploit.

https://www.pocketgamer.biz/asia/news/68582/fategrand-order-rakes-in-over-2bn-in-revenue-worldwide/

2 billion in revenue by a mobile game...

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What @Super_Dreadnought, @7_3_PowerStroke, and @Avenge_December_7 said is pretty much the reason why I want KC to actually fail and die off.

Look, I watched KC anime and actually liked it. Despite all the flaws, I thought it was okay and overall enjoyable to watch. I never played the game though, obviously, given how I'm not living in Japan. I honestly don't have anything personal against KC itself. However, this kind of hard-boiled and selfish "nationalism" by its devs will pretty much be their own undoing. If they haven't yet, then I'm almost willing to bet that KC will shoot itself on its foot by this. Maybe they already did, but the effect isn't fully realized yet.

I'm sorry to say, but it is what it is.

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So... Episode Curry when?

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I do see a chance we could see sammy and gamby in the anime.... Yahagi was at samar so her part in the trailer could be from that fight. 

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4 hours ago, Shigure_DD said:

I do see a chance we could see sammy and gamby in the anime.... Yahagi was at samar so her part in the trailer could be from that fight. 

They should show Johnston scaring off Yamato and the rest of the cowardly war criminal shipgirls too if they want the anime to succeed.

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Get it right it was little Heermann's torps that scared off Yamato after missing Kongou at point blank (though the IJN was going off the type 93 torp info that had a higher top speed and didnt really know how slow the USN torps went and its one reason Yamato was out of the fight she turned away and it took a lot longer for the torps from Herrmann to pass.)

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As the escorts began torpedo runs at the Japanese force, Heermann began firing her 5-inch guns at one heavy cruiser, Chikuma, while directing torpedoes at Haguro. Heermann then changed course to engage a column of four battleships whose shells began falling around the destroyer. Heermann targeted Kongō, the column's leader, at which the destroyer launched three torpedoes. Then Heermann switched targets to Haruna, and fired three torpedoes, which were launched from only 4,400 yards (4,000 m). The destroyer retreated after believing one of the torpedoes had struck a target. Japanese records claim that the battleship successfully evaded all of the torpedoes from Heermann, but they were slowed in their pursuit of the American carriers. The battleship Yamato was forced out of the action altogether after reversing course when caught between two spreads.

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I treat kancolle more as a "what if" series.

Yeah, it's revisionist, but so is BF5 and COD WWII, and those don't have the advantage of being a fantasy waifu gacha game; BF5 even has an entire chapter peddling the unwilling "Wehrmacht is innocent, just following orders" thing, and that's far worse than implied revisionism.

Plus, if you're talking actual propaganda/revising reality, kancolle is tame compared to GATE. The bathhouse scene practically hurt to watch.

AL's advantage is in gameplay and peak cat/foxgirl waifu character design.

Compared to KC, you have more control over outcomes (i.e you can basically guarantee wins with grind) and there's near zero resource management. It's simpler.

I actually enjoyed the Combined Fleet/logi aspects of KC more; it took more time and success was not guaranteed, but wins felt better, like they do in Darkest Dungeon. It was a combination of stats you ground, fleet comp/logi, and honestly luck.

AL naturally has more characters of all nations/factions, but almost all of them were designed to be waifus with little regard to "hull history".

For example, the Fubuki class all have the same uniform in KC. The Ayanami class have near identical uniforms BUT start with Fubuki's Kai Ni color palette (i.e Ayanami is an improved Fubuki class).

The Kuma class have similar uniforms, but Kitikami and Ooi have radically different ones, because they (unlike the other Kumas) were specifically remodeled to torpedo cruisers, which happens with their revised hull upgrades.

You see correlations among pretty much all of the initial characters, and most of the ones added in later too. In general, if you know the history of the ships you can extrapolate how the character designs relate and vice versa. It's to the point that you can ID many of the ships used in Ten Go based on the uneven socks originally found on Yamato.

In AL there is little correlation other than between sister ships. Sometimes even they lack any correlation.

It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme, but they did put effort into at least trying in that regard.

The other thing is that it can get people looking into the histories of these Axis ships obliquely. I would've never bothered to look into IJN ships solely because of the history of those who commanded them. I would've never bothered to look into GZ (which was always an unfinished hull) or Nagato or Fubuki or any of them.

The histories of these ships in reality are bleak (in both use and sinking). I'm not discounting that.

At the same time, stamping out things on an external level (to the point that you'd rather watch characters die and suffer) based on your internal disdain for them is....an interesting parallel.

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