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I don't get it, I'm getting so many games where I will cause a fire 10% of the time whereas the boat's supposed to have a 48% chance of causing a fire. I understand that some ships will use things to lower their chance of catching fire but even then, I think it can only remove something like 15-25% chance. That should still allow me to cause a fire 25% of the time at the very least. What's going on here? Is there a way to check my fire percentage per boat? I'm starting to get frustrated with the Lion.

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You are neglecting the fact that the in port fire chance you see is only the base chance. The ships you shoot at have a fire coefficient which reduces the fire chance by a large margin as you go up in tiers. T10 ships reduce it by half. Further factor in shells hitting areas already on fire, active damage controls preventing a fire, and then that chance is even lower. Check out the wiki for all the mechanics so you better understand them. http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Fire

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You're not exactly making any friends by admitting that you're a person who spams HE in a British BB, pal.

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Setting fires is all RNG.

 

I can get my Henri IV up to 26% Fire Chance with signal flags and I'd set 1-2 fires despite tons of hits.

Zao is known as a fire starter and sometimes she rolls snake eyes in setting them.

Everybody whines about Conqueror's HE, but again, there are times despite making a ton of hits, I'm not getting fires.

I have had games with Atlanta where I've had several hundred main gun hits, but I get only 1 fire.

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2 hours ago, RipNuN2 said:

You are neglecting the fact that the in port fire chance you see is only the base chance. The ships you shoot at have a fire coefficient which reduces the fire chance by a large margin as you go up in tiers. T10 ships reduce it by half. Further factor in shells hitting areas already on fire, active damage controls preventing a fire, and then that chance is even lower. Check out the wiki for all the mechanics so you better understand them. http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Fire

To add to that, there's this lovely thing known as RNG, which, even if everything is just perfect, laughs at you and yells "No! And like it!". In fact, it's usually when things are perfect that this happens. It's annoying, and all you can do is move past it.

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1 hour ago, 1Sherman said:

You're not exactly making any friends by admitting that you're a person who spams HE in a British BB, pal.

Isn't that how they're supposed to be played, though?

 

It's what I do, and it's just lovely.

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I fell in lo vfc e with t bug e ship on my first voyage.

Stock, I burned a conqueror to the bottom of the ocean. 

It felt so good. 

I have  since discovered the AP...

Oh my she is a sweet beast. 

He until they repair.

Set 2 more fires, and then AP to finish.

 

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8 hours ago, Th3KrimzonD3mon said:

Isn't that how they're supposed to be played, though?

High-tier British BBs also have good AP. The problem is that more often than not, the people that play British BBs use the HE exclusively.

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1 hour ago, 1Sherman said:

High-tier British BBs also have good AP. The problem is that more often than not, the people that play British BBs use the HE exclusively.

Lion's AP is actually pretty bad, and so is Monarch's. Conq's is...ok? So, no, not really.

 

I use whatever takes the target down the fastest.

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1 hour ago, 1Sherman said:

High-tier British BBs also have good AP. The problem is that more often than not, the people that play British BBs use the HE exclusively.

I used to switch back and forth but then got discouraged when the AP wouldn't put up the big numbers the other BBs get. Don't ask me if it was because of overpens or bounces, I don't remember. I then saw the damage I was causing on broadsides loaded with HE and figured, it's just not worth it to switch. Once I get to Conq, I will be using more AP. 

 

12 hours ago, RipNuN2 said:

You are neglecting the fact that the in port fire chance you see is only the base chance. The ships you shoot at have a fire coefficient which reduces the fire chance by a large margin as you go up in tiers. T10 ships reduce it by half. Further factor in shells hitting areas already on fire, active damage controls preventing a fire, and then that chance is even lower. Check out the wiki for all the mechanics so you better understand them. http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Fire

I do take into account existing fires and recently used repairs. I also know RNG can be a b**** sometimes. And don't get me wrong, I have been blessed once or twice by RNGesus while in the Lion, my best damage game was 217k (not a monster game but still my best) and I had caused 19 fires on that one. I ran the calculations of fire chance for the worst possible scenario and it should still be around 20% fire chance. It's just bad luck I guess.

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On 1/4/2019 at 2:24 AM, TheKrimzonDemon said:

Lion's AP is actually pretty bad, and so is Monarch's. Conq's is...ok? So, no, not really.

 

I use whatever takes the target down the fastest.

Agreed, I've tried AP on the Lion, found it worse than the Monarch. Actually the Monarch's AP was fairly effective, either that or it's AP is trash

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On 1/3/2019 at 12:11 AM, 1Sherman said:

You're not exactly making any friends by admitting that you're a person who spams HE in a British BB, pal.

I am not here to make friends. 49 Percent chance. It has been pointed out the most of the stats on all the ship and - well - are Bullship. According to some CCs.
HE in this game is designed to start fires. Didn't happen often in real life. But this is an arcade game not a SIM.
I get more fires from my bismarck and that about 34 percent chance and that's not from secondaries. Can't trust the stats. Stats say One thing the coding is saying something else.
Again A few CCs already mention this. This year of 2019

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On 1/2/2019 at 11:11 PM, 1Sherman said:

You're not exactly making any friends by admitting that you're a person who spams HE in a British BB, pal.

19 fires is my best but it was in the KGV.:Smile-_tongue: I agree too for various reasons the Lion doesn't make as many fires.

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Hey

Fire chance is a joke; I played 2 games in the Conqueror, 1st game was a bit over 103K and set only 2 fires and ran 1 fire flag; the second game was a bit over 105K running 2 fire flags but only set 2 fires.  Both games were losing games and placed 7th on the team in each game.  So the once mighty Conqueror (which holds my 2 highest damage scores) don't seem to be worth a darn.  Was anything changed with the Conqueror 419's when they came out with the Thunderer, stealing the 457's?  Seams like it.

 

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Last couple of games 

On 12/7/2019 at 4:31 PM, dust340man said:

19 fires is my best but it was in the KGV.:Smile-_tongue: I agree too for various reasons the Lion doesn't make as many fires.

I think they have secretly nerfed all British BB fire chances. Even my KGV isn't setting as many fires as before. :Smile_amazed:  I use expert loader captain skill on my British BBs so I can swap to AP quicker if I get like a broadside target.

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On 2/2/2020 at 1:11 PM, dust340man said:

Last couple of games 

I think they have secretly nerfed all British BB fire chances. Even my KGV isn't setting as many fires as before. :Smile_amazed:  I use expert loader captain skill on my British BBs so I can swap to AP quicker if I get like a broadside target.

Hey

I think there is a lot more RNG of everything from Fire starting, the BB's over pens and ricochets.  As I have said many times, the game is getting less and less fun do to the inconsistencies we see.  Good luck trying to figure out your AA, does DFAA even work in reality?   After 226 ships including nearly every premium from T4 through T9; I am just about done with the game, still have close to a years premium time.  I'm taking a break and even left the clan I belonged to,  simply because I don't enjoy the game like I used to, I don't find it enjoyable and Wargaming's decisions like Graf Zeppelin, P.R., the CV rework and next will be subs and many other things make the game less and less balanced.

 

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On 1/2/2019 at 11:28 PM, Cereberus99 said:

I don't get it, I'm getting so many games where I will cause a fire 10% of the time whereas the boat's supposed to have a 48% chance of causing a fire. I understand that some ships will use things to lower their chance of catching fire but even then, I think it can only remove something like 15-25% chance. That should still allow me to cause a fire 25% of the time at the very least. What's going on here? Is there a way to check my fire percentage per boat? I'm starting to get frustrated with the Lion.

Some dude showed all the Math behind why the Lion vs the Conqueror is night and day, and how T9 takes 52% and makes it like 2%, but T10 takes 52% and makes it actually mean what you think...    That's boring and stupid.  52% fire chance on a Lion mean, LOL no fires.  52% chance on a Conqueror means if you hit with 3 or more turrets, you will start a fire, every single time.  ("60% of the time it works every time")

With a 52% fire chance, I had a 200 hit game with 1 fire in the Lion.  Sure some boats had DCPed.  But 1 fire.

With a 52% fire chance, I had a 121 hit game with a personal best 24 fires in the Conqueror.  Its the same every single game.

Yeah, I'm the guy in the back farming the worthless and healable damage because it gives me a crap load of credits and I can get my 3 chests a day win or lose in no more than 4 games.   Need that coal for the smolensk.

TLDR:  FXP past the stupid Lion and have a ball with the conqueror.  Oh, shut off all chat.  You don't need others telling you what to do.  You know you just want to burn stuff.

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