2,150 [SOV] jags_domain Members 4,713 posts Report post #1 Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Before you go "well you can torp" or "you can blind fire into it" the idea that you can see perficty out of smoke of a ship is spotted is just plane stupid. Remember that the only reason radar is in the game is because of smoke. A rank season were no one moved because smoke was every were. At lower tiers there is nothing most ships can do and at hire tires most ships are helpless. It is insane that you can see perficly out of smoke if a ship is detected. And here it comes "well just get better" we say that about radar and its "radar is broken" or "its not real that radar sees around islands". In the same breath I get "well its a game not a sim" If you think about it objective smoke is a stupid idea. If your in smoke you should not be able to see out of it at all. It is a visual block for the other then it should be for you as well. Edited January 2, 2019 by jags_domain 2 2 2 14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
507 [O7] Kevik70 [O7] Beta Testers 1,615 posts 10,339 battles Report post #2 Posted January 2, 2019 Well the whole shared vision mechanic that WoWs has kinda defeats the purpose smoke had historically most of the time. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,422 Rollingonit Members 3,832 posts 13,812 battles Report post #3 Posted January 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, jags_domain said: hire tires No, I refuse to hire tires. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,976 [HINON] RipNuN2 Members 13,739 posts Report post #4 Posted January 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kevik70 said: Well the whole shared vision mechanic that WoWs has kinda defeats the purpose smoke had historically most of the time. Hard to imagine wows is a game and not a historically accurate simulator. Who'da thunkit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,377 [KWF] warheart1992 Members 4,960 posts 6,612 battles Report post #5 Posted January 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, jags_domain said: If you think about it objective smoke is a stupid idea. If your in smoke you should not be able to see out of it at all. It is a visual block for the other then it should be for you as well. But you can't see and have to rely on your teammates for spotting. It works both ways. A misplaced smoke can often cost you important vision to the enemies. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
759 [-TDF-] Stand_Alone97 Beta Testers 1,226 posts 4,464 battles Report post #6 Posted January 2, 2019 If no one is spotting. Smoke does block your vision... A smoke complaint thread? Haven't seen one of these in awhile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,050 neptunes_wrath Members 3,143 posts 584 battles Report post #7 Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) after taking a second to so some research.....the only clear conclusion is that SMOKE is not your issue.... Edited January 2, 2019 by neptunes_wrath 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8,801 [PSP] Snargfargle [PSP] Members 13,673 posts Report post #8 Posted January 2, 2019 20 minutes ago, jags_domain said: Before you go "well you can torp" or "you can blind fire into it" the idea that you can see perficty out of smoke of a ship is spotted is just plane stupid. Remember that the only reason radar is in the game is because of smoke. A rank season were no one moved because smoke was every were. At lower tiers there is nothing most ships can do and at hire tires most ships are helpless. It is insane that you can see perficly out of smoke if a ship is detected. And here it comes "well just get better" we say that about radar and its "radar is broken" or "its not real that radar sees around islands". In the same breath I get "well its a game not a sim" If you think about it objective smoke is a stupid idea. If your in smoke you should not be able to see out of it at all. It is a visual block for the other then it should be for you as well. I think that radar, hydro, and smoke might just be in the game because they were all used historically and this is a historically-based game. I just love smoke as is usually tells me just where the DD or cruisers might be. My crowing achievement in my Atago was to torp smoke and sink three ships at once. I still dream about doing that once again. As for visual block. There existed in the 20th Century something called radio. If a single ship could spot the enemy it could direct fire for all of the other ships. I was in the artillery, this is what the forward observers did. I was attached to a platoon of recon infantry once as their medic. It's both impressive and very scary being within a few hundred meters of the artillery and air strikes when they are called in. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,028 J30_Reinhardt Alpha Tester 10,267 posts 4,608 battles Report post #9 Posted January 2, 2019 Self nuked Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
595 Snarky_Wombat ∞ Members 900 posts 2,737 battles Report post #10 Posted January 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, Octavian_of_Roma said: No, I refuse to hire tires. You forget tires are the hardest working demographics of the northern hemisphere! You are doing yourself a disservice in not having tires in your workplace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,466 [KIA-C] AlcatrazNC Members 3,554 posts 15,650 battles Report post #11 Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Smoke already block any kind of vision. If you want to use your smoke, you need someone else to spot for you. If I follow your logic, then radar should be LOS only. Just git gud. Edited January 2, 2019 by AlcatrazNC 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5,261 [SIM] SkaerKrow Members 5,423 posts 8,911 battles Report post #12 Posted January 2, 2019 You’ve played too many battles to be this stupid. 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
65 [PLPT] Zairinzan Members 214 posts 9,981 battles Report post #13 Posted January 2, 2019 37 minutes ago, Octavian_of_Roma said: No, I refuse to hire tires. racist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,766 [SQUAD] TheKrimzonDemon Members 9,176 posts 11,689 battles Report post #14 Posted January 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, SkaerKrow said: You’ve played too many battles to be this stupid. Not the way I'd have put it, but he has the right idea. OP, this is a game, an arcade game, not a simulation. As such, there's simply no way to make every single player 100% happy, because of balance within the game, between ships and tiers. That after over 10k rounds you still have issues with the basic mechanics of the game tells me that the problem resides with you. More, raging about things you don't like or agree with doesn't do anything but cause you to look like a very selfish player. I'm not saying that's what you are, I'm saying how you post leaves one with that impression. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,050 neptunes_wrath Members 3,143 posts 584 battles Report post #15 Posted January 2, 2019 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
114 Vinidoanker Members 938 posts 16,048 battles Report post #16 Posted January 2, 2019 smoke is balanced when lot of radar/hydro ships now..so shut up and just play. plus hahahahahahaha smoke has been nerf too many times already, if you not aware or just refuse to adapt..zzzz stupid rant thread 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,050 neptunes_wrath Members 3,143 posts 584 battles Report post #17 Posted January 2, 2019 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,550 [SYN] Kapitan_Wuff Members 8,256 posts 14,111 battles Report post #18 Posted January 2, 2019 Over 11k battles and still doesn't understand basic game mechanics... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,319 [KSF] suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #19 Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said: Over 11k battles and still doesn't understand basic game mechanics... Willful ignorance is a powerful state of mind that is not easily broken, unfortunately. Edited January 2, 2019 by suleiman71 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,040 dmckay Members 4,729 posts 8,265 battles Report post #20 Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said: Over 11k battles and still doesn't understand basic game mechanics... How many battles does it take to totally grasp ALL the nuances of this game? Seems you feel you are THE expert based on what you have said in prior posts. Pls tell. Pls. You are aware that sh#t changes bout every month. Well, maybe you are not. Edited January 2, 2019 by dmckay 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,383 [HINON] tcbaker777 [HINON] Members 8,306 posts 12,210 battles Report post #21 Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, jags_domain said: Before you go "well you can torp" or "you can blind fire into it" the idea that you can see perficty out of smoke of a ship is spotted is just plane stupid. Remember that the only reason radar is in the game is because of smoke. A rank season were no one moved because smoke was every were. At lower tiers there is nothing most ships can do and at hire tires most ships are helpless. It is insane that you can see perficly out of smoke if a ship is detected. And here it comes "well just get better" we say that about radar and its "radar is broken" or "its not real that radar sees around islands". In the same breath I get "well its a game not a sim" If you think about it objective smoke is a stupid idea. If your in smoke you should not be able to see out of it at all. It is a visual block for the other then it should be for you as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
291 [DIEBL] PhosphorusForFun Members 650 posts 8,443 battles Report post #22 Posted January 2, 2019 28 minutes ago, neptunes_wrath said: Ya got theee options... 1) Torp it 2) Shoot it 3) Inhale it Choose wisely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
87 [SIMP] MelonFlavoredShells Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 322 posts 3,565 battles Report post #23 Posted January 2, 2019 56 minutes ago, jags_domain said: Before you go "well you can torp" or "you can blind fire into it" the idea that you can see perficty out of smoke of a ship is spotted is just plane stupid. Remember that the only reason radar is in the game is because of smoke. A rank season were no one moved because smoke was every were. At lower tiers there is nothing most ships can do and at hire tires most ships are helpless. It is insane that you can see perficly out of smoke if a ship is detected. And here it comes "well just get better" we say that about radar and its "radar is broken" or "its not real that radar sees around islands". In the same breath I get "well its a game not a sim" If you think about it objective smoke is a stupid idea. If your in smoke you should not be able to see out of it at all. It is a visual block for the other then it should be for you as well. Preempting your own post by telling people not to mention things that refute your observations is a very honest way to argue. The only way you could make this post better is by lacking even a basic understanding of the mechanic you are complaining about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,319 [KSF] suleiman71 -Members- 6,960 posts 10,623 battles Report post #24 Posted January 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, dmckay said: How many battles does it take to totally grasp ALL the nuances of this game? Seems you feel you are THE expert based on what you have said in prior posts. Pls tell. Pls. You are aware that sh#t changes bout every month. Well, maybe you are not. after 6,646 battles you've appeared to have grasped zero of the nuance of the game and have no the ability to call yourself an "expert". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,040 dmckay Members 4,729 posts 8,265 battles Report post #25 Posted January 2, 2019 1 minute ago, suleiman71 said: after 6,646 battles you've appeared to have grasped zero of the nuance of the game and have no the ability to call yourself an "expert". "No the ability" Heh. By the way I never called myself an "expert". Yawn... Pls....try harder. Heh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
