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I am sure everyone is watching CV rework with the CCs.   I been saying AA seems very unbalanced and I think notser took attention to all these threads and trying it.   So here is what I think will happen.

  • DDs - no one will spec AA why bother defensive fire is useless
  • BBs - since AA does nothing no one will bother specing into it why?    All you will do is maybe shoot down a few places that mean nothing.  CVs have infinite.  
    • everyone will take fighters thats the only thing that will be helpful
  • CAs - Here some AA may matter to shoot down a few planes.  But is it important to even care?   Thats the real question for me.   A full spec DM will not stop tier X planes at all so I don't think it will be worth the captain points
    • everyone will take fighters thats the only thing that will be helpful

There is no counter play to CVs so if you are a normal ship, it will just be a pest that may kill you.  There is nothing you can do except turn.  So you might as well play the game as normal.   your AA specs mean nothing.  The Defensive Fire skill does pretty much nothing.    So really sad to get to this point. I honestly like the CV rework from that perspective.   But the AA perspective seems VERY rushed and forced. 

 

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8 minutes ago, deresistance said:

DDs - no one will spec AA why bother defensive fire is useless

Was looking forward to running my groz, that is/ was nasty to planes. No one expects it to be an AA monster with the Russian DF buffs.

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Ok thanks. Either they dial it back up bofore 0.80 and say the nerf was for testing purposes, or I’m out for a while. 

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2 minutes ago, Eugenie_101 said:

Ok thanks. Either they dial it back up bofore 0.80 and say the nerf was for testing purposes, or I’m out for a while. 

that's me too, if it goes live like this, i may stop playing or play very few games per week, i just don't want to be the punchbag for the entertainment of few CV players, i don't get paid, why would i do that?

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27 minutes ago, deresistance said:

I am sure everyone is watching CV rework with the CCs.   I been saying AA seems very unbalanced and I think notser took attention to all these threads and trying it.   So here is what I think will happen.

  • DDs - no one will spec AA why bother defensive fire is useless
  • BBs - since AA does nothing no one will bother specing into it why?    All you will do is maybe shoot down a few places that mean nothing.  CVs have infinite.  
    • everyone will take fighters thats the only thing that will be helpful
  • CAs - Here some AA may matter to shoot down a few planes.  But is it important to even care?   Thats the real question for me.   A full spec DM will not stop tier X planes at all so I don't think it will be worth the captain points
    • everyone will take fighters thats the only thing that will be helpful

There is no counter play to CVs so if you are a normal ship, it will just be a pest that may kill you.  There is nothing you can do except turn.  So you might as well play the game as normal.   your AA specs mean nothing.  The Defensive Fire skill does pretty much nothing.    So really sad to get to this point. I honestly like the CV rework from that perspective.   But the AA perspective seems VERY rushed and forced. 

 

You shoot down planes  SO the CV can't make more passes and if you kill planes after their runs, his squadron take longer to recover.

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1 minute ago, Happy668 said:

that's me too, if it goes live like this, i may stop playing or play very few games per week, i just don't want to be the punchbag for the entertainment of few CV players, i don't get paid, why would i do that?

Same here. Gonna take a break and watch to see what WG does. There's other things to play in the mean time.

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Just now, xalmgrey said:

Same here. Gonna take a break and watch to see what WG does. There's other things to play in the mean time.

yep, the benefit of "F2P" games is, there's no subscription fee to waste, so stop playing nothing to lose, and from past WG practice, people took some months off, they gave them a few premium ships and 300k FXP to lure them back, lol

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13 minutes ago, Hurlbut said:

You shoot down planes  SO the CV can't make more passes and if you kill planes after their runs, his squadron take longer to recover.

So you haven't watched any of the CC vids showing players attacking with impunity even top AA ships?

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Just now, HashtagYoloSwagChamp said:

How many CV rework threads do we need on the front page?

Enough to get the point across i guess.

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2 minutes ago, awiggin said:

So you haven't watched any of the CC vids showing players attacking with impunity even top AA ships?

I took part in the Beta Tests and now the PTS. The biggest thing is that a ship ALONE will not stop a whole squadron easily.

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1 minute ago, HashtagYoloSwagChamp said:

Does 30 threads with 10 replies hold more water than 2 with 150 replies?

I guess not? I'm sure the mods will start knocking them off as they keep growing.

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3 minutes ago, HashtagYoloSwagChamp said:

How many CV rework threads do we need on the front page?

as many as it takes to send the message to wargaming...

drop this broken mechanic class and make this a better game.

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1 minute ago, Prothall said:

as many as it takes to send the message to wargaming...

drop this broken mechanic class and make this a better game.

 

Congrats on repeating the same thing someone else said and not reading the reply they got...

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3 minutes ago, HashtagYoloSwagChamp said:

 

Congrats on repeating the same thing someone else said and not reading the reply they got...

Congrats on missing the point.

Lots of people are pissed. Propaganda botting won't be enough to hold back the Tide of real feedback.

Buckle in for the refund demands for nerfing AA ships...Kidd, Yubari, Atlanta, etc.

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2 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

Congrats on missing the point.

Lots of people are pissed. Propaganda botting won't be enough to hold back the Tide of real feedback.

Buckle in for the refund demands for nerfing AA ships...Kidd, Yubari, Atlanta, etc.

Sadly Kidd is my favorite DD hands down and that is even above my black.    yes she will be mostly useless AA wise.

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Just now, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

Congrats on missing the point.

Lots of people are pissed. Propaganda botting won't be enough to hold back the Tide of real feedback.

Buckle in for the refund demands for nerfing AA ships...Kidd, Yubari, Atlanta, etc.

 

None of that addresses the fact that there are already threads to post in. I am not excited about the rework but posting 9 million threads instead of using the existing threads makes it so other topics don't get seen/addressed. It's selfish and less effective than using the existing discussions.

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12 minutes ago, HashtagYoloSwagChamp said:

Does 30 threads with 10 replies hold more water than 2 with 150 replies?

easier reading...

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And people thought this rework would make CVs balanced against surface ships...:cap_haloween:

Enjoy being perma-spotted, now with 12 planes to knock down instead of 7. Oh, and your AAA doesn't work anymore and your friendly CV can't send a fighter to help you. Oh I'm sorry, your CV is somewhere else on the map because he only has single squadron control and he can't pop CAP fighters over you. Have fun while the CV pummels you with rockets, torps, or bombs as he basically removes your DCP and leaves you a sitting duck for the entire enemy team. What fun and engaging game play!

People will camp behind cover harder than ever, mark my words.

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41 minutes ago, xalmgrey said:

Same here. Gonna take a break and watch to see what WG does. There's other things to play in the mean time.

That's my plan also. I didn't like what I saw with this rework. I'll still play clan battles(no CV's) but that's it.

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I tried an Iowa with full AA build minus manual AA.

I took fighter option.

Vs a Midway...

I shot down 2 planes and my fighters 1....

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Wooster....3 planes vs IJN tier 8...

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2 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

So, this pisses you off, eh?

It's working boys! Make more threads!

Dude, this is how protests work...they aren't built for your convenience...but rather, to inconvenience you.

You seem to have mistaken me for your target. In conveniencing people trying to read the forums shouldn't be your goal. Informing WG of your issues with the CV rework should be. The best way to do that is to propel a couple mega threads so they can see the feedback from a large chunk of the player base in one location but whatevs. Keep littering the forums, I am sure WG will change everything just for you.

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