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Will Musashi still be viable for purchase even after CV Rework?

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I am sitting at around 650K free xp, and I was planning to get the Musashi, but given that new cvs will be coming out in a matter of a few weeks at most, will Musashi still be enjoyable to play? 

 

Yes, I am aware that WG has a hard on for completely disregarding their playerbase when it comes to advance notice of new things coming to the game (Alaska release, carrier rework during beta tests,  what differences the premium cvs will get) but this is kind of pushing me at my limit. 

 

It would be nice if we could have Musashi and Kronshtadt be removed in a later update than 8.0, so people like me who speculate if CVs will have a big impact on these ships that will go away for near indefinitely, to make our final choice about whether to make the big jump and purchase them before it's too late. 

 

On a side note, do you have to have your cvs in your port to get compensation? I'm still kind of confused on that. I have my T8-T10 carriers in port, but that's it. If anyone could inform me, that would be great. 

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Considering the AA nerfs that are coming with the rework I don't see Musashi's lack of AA being much different than most other BBs. It might be naked but if nothing changes so will pretty much every other ship unless you hug each others asses.

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Given the doom and gloom about the state of CVs with the rework I'm not so sure you should mothball her if you have her.

 

Besides, Musashis AA is already so bad that you are effectively committing suicide if you take her into a battle against a CV without an AA escort.

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Just now, Tekina_ said:

Considering the AA nerfs that are coming with the rework I don't see Musashi's lack of AA being much different than most other BBs. It might be naked but if nothing changes so will pretty much every other ship unless you hug each others asses.

If AA is so under performing on such a large scale, WG will have to buff it somehow so people other than CV players won't get pissed off and quit playing. The last thing WG would need is to supposedly fix a class just to create disparity in another. 

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Just now, Battlecruiser_Kongo said:

Is the Musashi worth having if you already own a Yamato with the premium camo?

She'd be worth it as a collectors item but if you have Yamato, you probably have a better ship there.

Main advantage Musashi would have is that you can put any captain from any IJN ship in her without retraining.

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Musashi should also have a little bit more earning potential too. The benefit of being a good tier 9 in a sea of mostly poor tier 9 battleships is also pretty nice.

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42 minutes ago, Battlecruiser_Kongo said:

Is the Musashi worth having if you already own a Yamato with the premium camo?

Musashi Has basically the same guns, a tier lower, but are less accurate. Musashi, as such, goes in the T9 slot, which, as often at T9 BBs can be pretty meh, can be a great boon. Musashi also has a wonderfully buffed spotter or fighter.

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12 minutes ago, iEatChickenMcNuggets said:

If AA is so under performing on such a large scale, WG will have to buff it somehow so people other than CV players won't get pissed off and quit playing. The last thing WG would need is to supposedly fix a class just to create disparity in another. 

Musashi is a less accurate Yamato. At tier IX. Facing Colorados and Nagatos. She has one glaring weakness and that is AA. She deserves to have one major flaw to keep her in check.

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Just now, warheart1992 said:

Musashi is a less accurate Yamato. At tier IX. Facing Colorados and Nagatos. She has one glaring weakness and that is AA. She deserves to have one major flaw to keep her in check.

I think he means AA in general, to which I agree. The current general state of high tier AA in the rework is underwhelming at best which means people will complain and it will likely change in the future. Even when it does I doubt Musashi will have meaningful AA though.

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2 minutes ago, Tekina_ said:

I think he means AA in general, to which I agree. The current general state of high tier AA in the rework is underwhelming at best which means people will complain and it will likely change in the future. Even when it does I doubt Musashi will have meaningful AA though.

I have zero idea on how effective AA will be. Based on the recent video, it was said that for 1-2 patches they were expecting severe balance issues. 

Maybe thats a good time for a break.

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I just purchased the Musashi, and I don't regret my choice one bit. 

Tier X pretending to be a Tier IX

Guns hit like a freight train

You lol at torpedos

You also make a metric poop ton of credits...I make like 700K a match. 

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CV's will be like tactical air support, you wont get the mega alpha like you do now...it'll be toned down and not NEARLY as evil as a Midway who legit wants you dead. Musashi is a safe bet in my book, good earner, and it's fun.

 

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49 minutes ago, Zaydin said:

Given the doom and gloom about the state of CVs with the rework I'm not so sure you should mothball her if you have her.

 

Besides, Musashis AA is already so bad that you are effectively committing suicide if you take her into a battle against a CV without an AA escort.

Considering the max range of AA is only a mere 6km with the rework, nobody is getting any AA Escorting.

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6 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Considering the max range of AA is only a mere 6km with the rework, nobody is getting any AA Escorting.

Potentially, unless they're premiums.

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13 minutes ago, Crokodone said:

Potentially, unless they're premiums.

WG has heavily capped AA ranges.

 

"All AA guns have their range standardized in the Beta tests. 127mm, regardless of nationality, was 5.2km. The 152mm Dual Purpose was around 6km or so.

There are no module or skill increasing the AA range. Just the damage, the efficiency of AA sector reinforcing, and number of flak bursts (explosion zone)."

 

There is no AA Escorting with ranges that short.  There are numerous Cruisers in the mid tiers of the USN Cruiser Line that have high AA DPS but are poor AA Escorts due to their very limited 6km range.  Pensacola, New Orleans, Indianapolis are poor AA Escorts despite their high AA DPS.  All because of their poor range.  This is why the current Atlanta in mid tier is a big deal because not only does ATL have good AA DPS, but she could reach 7.2km and be an effective escort.


But with the revamp, she will lose 2km of AA range which is extremely significant.

Cleveland, Buffalo, Des Moines, Salem, etc. AA will be down to 5.2km.  This is very short and very hard to protect teammates with.  You literally have to be riding on someone's shoulders if you are to have AA that reaches out far enough to protect them and start swatting planes.

 

This Revamp seems to have sh*t on AA capability completely, the only thing to fend off Carriers and their infinite aircraft.

 

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1 minute ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

WG has heavily capped AA ranges.

 

"All AA guns have their range standardized in the Beta tests. 127mm, regardless of nationality, was 5.2km. The 152mm Dual Purpose was around 6km or so.

There are no module or skill increasing the AA range. Just the damage, the efficiency of AA sector reinforcing, and number of flak bursts (explosion zone)."

 

There is no AA Escorting with ranges that short.  There are numerous Cruisers in the mid tiers of the USN Cruiser Line that have high AA DPS but are poor AA Escorts due to their very limited 6km range.  This is why the current Atlanta in mid tier is a big deal because not only does ATL have good AA DPS, but she could reach 7.2km and be an effective escort.


But with the revamp, she will lose 2km of AA range which is extremely significant.

Cleveland, Buffalo, Des Moines, Salem, etc. AA will be down to 5.2km.  This is very short and very hard to protect teammates with.  You literally have to be riding on someone's shoulders if you are to have AA that reaches out far enough to protect them and start swatting planes.

 

This Revamp seems to have sh*t on AA capability completely, the only thing to fend off Carriers and their infinite aircraft.

 

Doesn't mention premiums and WG didnt mention premiums when they Nerfed AFT but handed out the adjustments separately. I believe this reason is why Alaska will not ve released until after the AA rework.

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Will a Tier 10 still be enjoyable at Tier 9 if CVs become good?

 

Yes

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To answer your specific question: No, when 8.0 drops the Musashi and Kron will be not be purchasable for coal nor fxp. Link below has confirmation from WG (near the bottom of that page).  They didn't say they were removing from game so presumably you can still get from SC and event containers. 

https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/development/update-0711-rule-britannia/#content

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1 hour ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

WG has heavily capped AA ranges.

This Revamp seems to have sh*t on AA capability completely.

 

While it's true AA ranges have been heavily capped, plane maneuverability has also been heavily nerfed and long range AA has gotten much more "alpha", so the ability to escort might be better than you expect.  In the last test, the tier 4-8 CVs certainly took a beating from equal tier ship AA.   In particular, repeated torpedo runs on the same ship often require you fly over the enemy ship, then loop around a few kilometers around on the other side.  In the current system a ship has to be a few km withing your AA bubble to gain any effective AA protection, and planes can turn on a dime after they drop to avoid retaliation.  That isn't necessarily true post-rework, so even covering the airspace on one side of a ship can force the CV to choose another target or risk taking a flak cloud to the face.

Of course, the system isn't perfect.  It doesn't feel very rewarding to hit with a flak cloud, since damage to plane HP isn't really displayed prominently, and kills mostly go to the short range AA of the target ship.  Also, the whole process is more spread out over time so you don't get those nice ribbons popping in the span of a few seconds either.  Finally, even if you force the CV to take awkward attack paths and drop poorly, you often won't see that as an escort ship.

I might be alone in my opinion, but I think the CV rework will benefit Musashi.  Currently CVs can nuke her for large portions of her HP if she ever gets caught alone, but post rework there will be much less damage being put out overall.  The nerfed flooding chances will be even more horrible given her amazing TDS, and fires are already something BBs spec against.  Torpedo drops are also much easier to dodge post rework, leaving DBs as the only reliable way to hit her.  I get the feeling the CV rework won't shift Musashi's WR much at all.

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I bought it. First two games - 200ish thousand damage, multiple kills. In the second one, I destroyed a bow-tanking Missouri taking only 5% health lost in return, then ravaged another Musashi for 90% of his pool.

This thing is amazing.

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All the discussion regarding AA and CV rework is well and good, but the fact is that not long ago WG announced that both Kronstadt and Musashi will be removed from tech tree and arsenal when 0.8 patch hits. This happens also to be the patch when CV rework will be rolled out. So, if you really want it, get it before 0.8 hits, or she'll be gone. (or you can only get it from events and giveaways and maybe supercontainers, etc)

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