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now the price of Alaska is out, i seriously don't think she is worth 30% more, lets do some comparison, both are very similar in turns of play style, semi-BB cruiser with slow reload guns

1) gun wise, kron has much faster velocity (920/900 vs 808/762), faster reload (18.5s vs 20s), about the same range (18.19km vs 18.97km), worse max dispersion (241 vs 207), worse HE fire chance (24% vs 27%), i'd say it's about a tie

2) survivability,  kron has bigger HP (71k vs 60.8k), a bit weaker armor, same turn radius (840 vs 850), slower rudder (14.9 vs 13), a bit bigger detection (16.2km vs 15.5km), it's about a tie

3) other things, kron should have better radar, weaker AA, 34% torpedo defense which is very good (no idea about alaska)

so i would think kron is a very good buy, better deal than alaska imho...

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6 posts below this is a buyers remorse concerning Khronstadt.  Refer there.

Still getting Alaska anyways.

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1 minute ago, jmanII said:

6 posts below this is a buyers remorse concerning Khronstadt.  Refer there.

Still getting Alaska anyways.

whether alaska is more accurate is still unknown, if kron's poor accuracy is a bug or not what WG intended, and buff her later, then you get a steal :)

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RE: My desire to get Alaska

/Vader/Nothing can stop that now/

-Vader/

 

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It's going to be interesting.  During testing I saw Alaskas get murdered frequently, including me dev striking one hilariously with sneaky Kron AP.  Granted new stuff tends to get focused by virtue of everyone's fascination.  They don't seem as durable or dangerous as a well played Kron, but my impression is an amalgam of seeing videos and fighting them in three different testing configurations.

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52 minutes ago, jmanII said:

6 posts below this is a buyers remorse concerning Khronstadt.  Refer there.

Still getting Alaska anyways.

I don't disagree with that post. I have played Kron like 6 times in Random and have had it since day 1. I just hate ships that don't reward good aim and Kron and KM BB's are at the top of my list.

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51 minutes ago, Happy668 said:

whether alaska is more accurate is still unknown, if kron's poor accuracy is a bug or not what WG intended, and buff her later, then you get a steal :)

Alaska has floaty shells, and floaty shell ships tend to have better dispersion.  The issue is using floaty shells at range.

 

Kronshtadt has super high velocity shells but they sometimes scatter.  When Kron is "on" she's "on."  But when those guns are "off" they're really off the mark.  Sometimes you nail some target with lots of hits at range, made easy with how fast the shells travel.  Sometimes this thing reminds you that you roll BB Dispersion and her full salvo misses a DD at 9km.  Chapyev, Kutuzov, D.Donskoi, Moskva would be laser accurate, even at range, but they have smaller guns.

 

I don't expect these Tier IX 305mm "Cruisers" / "Battlecruisers" / "Large Cruisers" / "Ships with Big Guns" to not have true Cruiser accuracy.  Kronshtadt saw to that.

 

I'm getting Alaska with realistic expectations.  Basically a super, oversized Baltimore / Buffalo but with Repair Party and bigger, slower firing, less accurate 305mm guns.  Hopefully guys don't expect to get her thinking she's a "Battleship in a Cruiser Slot" and try to treat her as so.  Some guys, including me, did that with Kronshtadt and were promptly corrected by others in a match :Smile_trollface:

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3 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Alaska has floaty shells, and floaty shell ships tend to have better dispersion.  The issue is using floaty shells at range.

 

Kronshtadt has super high velocity shells but they sometimes scatter.  When Kron is "on" she's "on."  But when those guns are "off" they're really off the mark.  Sometimes you nail some target with lots of hits at range, made easy with how fast the shells travel.  Sometimes this thing reminds you that you roll BB Dispersion and her full salvo misses a DD at 9km.  Chapyev, Kutuzov, D.Donskoi, Moskva would be laser accurate, even at range, but they have smaller guns.

 

I don't expect these Tier IX 305mm "Cruisers" / "Battlecruisers" / "Large Cruisers" / "Ships with Big Guns" to not have true Cruiser accuracy.  Kronshtadt saw to that.

 

I'm getting Alaska with realistic expectations.  Basically a super, oversized Baltimore / Buffalo but with Repair Party and bigger, slower firing, less accurate 305mm guns.  Hopefully guys don't expect to get her thinking she's a "Battleship in a Cruiser Slot" and try to treat her as so.  Some guys, including me, did that with Kronshtadt and were promptly corrected by others in a match :Smile_trollface:

if you like USN ships, the DM is way better, in everyway, no need to shell out 1m FXP unless it really, i mean really shines

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4 minutes ago, Happy668 said:

if you like USN ships, the DM is way better, in everyway, no need to shell out 1m FXP unless it really, i mean really shines

I already got DM, she's my best Tier X Cruiser and I have all of them, minus Salem.  I even got the regular Perma Camo and the other one from the Sharks vs Eagles event.  I even got Kronshtadt.  I'm over 2 million FreeXP right now.

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i personally don't like this slow reload semi-bb type of cruisers, i like fast reload pew pew type like DM, but if i really want to try semi-bb play style, i think i would seriously consider kron over alaska, unless alaska has hidden pleasant surprise. as about kron's accuracy, i hope WG will look into it and make her guns inline with other cruisers

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3 hours ago, MorbidGamer said:

Kron is really tanky and has good AP. Plus it's 250,000 XP cheaper and you can slap an OP Russian unique commander in it.

 

if they are same price it will be hard call, but at 30% discount, i think kron is very attractive

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personally i have no issue with kron's gun but a lot of people hate her dispersion, take that into consideration if you intend to use it for sniping. 

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i'm in the market for a premium Cruiser and DD at T9/T10 too....

if i could only chose between the Khor or Alaska, id pick Alaska. 

however in reality i'd choose neither one. Reason? well, simply because neither one has torops. Period.    i like my Cruiser to have torps.  regardless of how good the guns are...there are always someone else that can use their guns better than you can.  torps would be the adv if you end up in a close situation over another ship that does not, and an 50/50 against those ships that do have torps.  id like to have a piece of mind know i have them ready to fire.  which is why i love my Tirpitz so much...i can go up against a Yamato knowing i have that little adv. 

give me a good premium T9 cruiser with torps ...i'm all over that thing...:Smile_honoring:

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3 hours ago, Shinnidan said:

i'm in the market for a premium Cruiser and DD at T9/T10 too....

if i could only chose between the Khor or Alaska, id pick Alaska. 

however in reality i'd choose neither one. Reason? well, simply because neither one has torops. Period.    i like my Cruiser to have torps.  regardless of how good the guns are...there are always someone else that can use their guns better than you can.  torps would be the adv if you end up in a close situation over another ship that does not, and an 50/50 against those ships that do have torps.  id like to have a piece of mind know i have them ready to fire.  which is why i love my Tirpitz so much...i can go up against a Yamato knowing i have that little adv. 

give me a good premium T9 cruiser with torps ...i'm all over that thing...:Smile_honoring:

to be honest there are plenty of good tech tree cruisers that are better than these 1 million fxp ones, like Roon, DM, etc, "premium" ships are overrated

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9 hours ago, Happy668 said:

now the price of Alaska is out, i seriously don't think she is worth 30% more, lets do some comparison, both are very similar in turns of play style, semi-BB cruiser with slow reload guns

 

Relative to the amount of work you have to do to get it, Alaska is cheaper than Kron, because FXP is much easier to obtain. With inflation, 1 million free XP is probably more like 500,000 FXP 18 months ago. WG decided to start handing out FXP like candy, and the result is the provision of FXP soaks like Alaska and Musashi.

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8 hours ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

I already got DM, she's my best Tier X Cruiser and I have all of them, minus Salem.  I even got the regular Perma Camo and the other one from the Sharks vs Eagles event.  I even got Kronshtadt.  I'm over 2 million FreeXP right now.

But are you planning to add Alaska to your port?

I will, because it's a unique ship, and, unlike the other 12" cruisers, she's not a paper ship.   Alaska, Guam, and a few other ships escorted Franklin to Ulithi after she burned the first time; i.e. Alaska fired  at least AA shells in anger, and sailed the Pacific...

Edit: Oh, and I don't have to worry about spending fxp vs Kron or Musashi.  I have both in my port.  Santa didn't bring MO, but those two came to me.

I've got (right now) 608, 194 fxp, and I have over 1000 Ouroboros flags...

 

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9 minutes ago, Taichunger said:

Relative to the amount of work you have to do to get it, Alaska is cheaper than Kron, because FXP is much easier to obtain. With inflation, 1 million free XP is probably more like 500,000 FXP 18 months ago. WG decided to start handing out FXP like candy, and the result is the provision of FXP soaks like Alaska and Musashi.

huh? kron is 750k FXP now, alaska will be 1000k when it hits soon, how can alaska be cheaper than kron?

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9 hours ago, Happy668 said:

whether alaska is more accurate is still unknown, if kron's poor accuracy is a bug or not what WG intended, and buff her later, then you get a steal :)

krons accuracy is not bugged Alaska has massively improved dispersion

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Just now, Hanger_18 said:

krons accuracy is not bugged Alaska has massively improved dispersion

Alaska basically has much improved versions of Wyoming's guns with superheavy AP shells.

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4 minutes ago, Hanger_18 said:

krons accuracy is not bugged Alaska has massively improved dispersion

Alaska has better dispersion than Krons, but it's not really an accurate cruiser, its dispersion is far worse than for example DM

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8 hours ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Alaska has floaty shells, and floaty shell ships tend to have better dispersion.  The issue is using floaty shells at range.

 

Kronshtadt has super high velocity shells but they sometimes scatter.  When Kron is "on" she's "on."  But when those guns are "off" they're really off the mark.  Sometimes you nail some target with lots of hits at range, made easy with how fast the shells travel.  Sometimes this thing reminds you that you roll BB Dispersion and her full salvo misses a DD at 9km.  Chapyev, Kutuzov, D.Donskoi, Moskva would be laser accurate, even at range, but they have smaller guns.

 

I don't expect these Tier IX 305mm "Cruisers" / "Battlecruisers" / "Large Cruisers" / "Ships with Big Guns" to not have true Cruiser accuracy.  Kronshtadt saw to that.

 

I'm getting Alaska with realistic expectations.  Basically a super, oversized Baltimore / Buffalo but with Repair Party and bigger, slower firing, less accurate 305mm guns.  Hopefully guys don't expect to get her thinking she's a "Battleship in a Cruiser Slot" and try to treat her as so.  Some guys, including me, did that with Kronshtadt and were promptly corrected by others in a match :Smile_trollface:

Its not that simple. yes shells with a higher angle of impact have less vertical dispersion, however vertical dispersion isn't all that bad because of the ships "shadow".

kron is notably worse than Alaska in terms of vertical AND horizontal dispersion. the horizontal dispersion is significantly better on Alaska. Kronstadt reminds you of BB dispersion because it literally Is BB dispersion.

Alaska doesn't have cruiser accuracy, but its not exactly far off. Its also still in testing.

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5 minutes ago, Happy668 said:

Alaska has better dispersion than Krons, but it's not really an accurate cruiser, its dispersion is far worse than for example DM

Alaska is closer to cruiser dispersion than kron is to Alaska.

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11 minutes ago, Happy668 said:

huh? kron is 750k FXP now, alaska will be 1000k when it hits soon, how can alaska be cheaper than kron?

Because FXP is much easier to get than when Kron first came out. It requires more FXP but less effort. You can enter Dynamo in an AA spec Sims and properly flagged, generate 25K FXP. A year ago if you got 10 FXP for any action it was a miracle. Now it is routine. Given the difference in effort to get FXP, Alaska is probably relatively cheaper. 

That is why Alaska's price is higher. There's way more FXP sloshing around. 

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12 minutes ago, mavfin87 said:

Alaska basically has much improved versions of Wyoming's guns with superheavy AP shells.

still different dispersion curves

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