Not submarines per se... Special Ammo

[zaibatsukid]

I didn't see any topics on this after a quick search so...

 

What am I talking about you ask?

 

Human torpedoes!

 

http://pbmo.files.wo...man-torpedo.jpg

 

 

 

They were created as a way to control and aim torpedoes before radio control was available. Intital develop by italy they also gained interest in Germany, Japan, and Britian.

 

Much more accurate than a regular torpedo they sometimes would sacrifice their operators for a decisive hit. Not really submarines per se, as they are launched from other vehicles which house them. It would be interesting to add this as an extra or special ammo for crusiers or other battleships.

[Lazar_Lyusternik]

That's kind of... offensive isn't the right word... insensitive?

 

People actually died using those.

We aren't getting kamikazes, either.

 

The G7es acoustic torpedo would be nice, though.

[Crag_r]

I suppose the most notable example is the Kaiten, it sunk 2 US warships and damaged another 2... not really something i would consider game worthy. I would much rather use an acoustic homing torpedo, after all they were used with some success by post powers during the war.

 

Plus they were only carried by a handful of Destroyers and a cruiser

[Goldeneye54]

I'll stick to my normal torpedos =P

[_Jeremiah_Gottwald]

I wouldn't want to see those in here. Now acoustic torpedo's would be really cool to have.

[Goldeneye54]

Actually thinking about torpedo's it will be interesting to see if there will be upgrades for them in the tech trees with ships, like how ships can unlock new guns and engines.

[MM2ss]

I am thinking basic models as initial upgrades.  That means you might get to the point you have no or little visible trails from cavitating.  You could also see improved warhead size and range.

 

I reckon higher tiers could get the acoustic torpedoes as well...  Provided they include the countermeasure as well, in the case of the allies that was the Foxer, CAT, FXR, and Fanfare.

[Super_Dreadnought]

I'm personally not too worried about the 'people actually died using those' part. Afterall we will be shooting at warships with gunfire, torpedoes, bombs, and thousands of men will be blown up, or drown and die after becoming trapped in the hull of a sinking ship, or from hypothermia out in the cold ocean.

 

But yeah...suicide weapons are just bad taste.

[_Jeremiah_Gottwald]

Well in tanks, your crew lives (unless one was KIA) they just bail out of the tank. Lets just say that all the men get off the ship into lifeboats and whatnot.

[MM2ss]

andypandy1996, on 05 January 2013 - 02:27 AM, said:

Well in tanks, your crew lives (unless one was KIA) they just bail out of the tank. Lets just say that all the men get off the ship into lifeboats and whatnot.

That is why I am going to carry a batch of sharks with me...and I'll put friggen lasers on their heads too!  :)

[Crag_r]

MM2ss, on 05 January 2013 - 02:29 AM, said:

That is why I am going to carry a batch of sharks with me...and I'll put friggen lasers on their heads too!  :)

They will be standard only aboard Australian ships  :Smile_trollface:

[_Jeremiah_Gottwald]

I'll put sharks on and have their mouths stuffed with grenades. Kinda like as Homer says right here...

 

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.  :Smile_trollface:

[Lemelisk1]

people may find it slightly offensive......

launching humans at enemy ships

 

Edit:btw I would not find it offensive, i just think others might

[Crag_r]

Its strange though isn't it? We are happy to play a game simulating where thousands of people will die, spending our matches blasting away at ships, hell if this was real life im sure we would accomplish more mass murder then Stalin, Hitler and most dictators put together, yet in my head and what seems to be others we draw the line at 1 person in a torpedo.

 

After all, we are looking forward to play Yamato but that was used in an almost identical attack, just instead of 1 man in a torpedo in a suicide attack it was just under 3000.

[zaibatsukid]

It never occured to me as offensive. I am sorry if it offended you. As all men who go to war lay down their lives on the line.

 

What your talking about is just a matter of survival rates unfortunately. I don't see it much different than men in Shermans going up against Tigers. It's pretty much a death mission but people did it.

 

I guess i lived in Japan for a while, and it's funny how living in a different land changes your prespective. Food and land is much more scare, so they value sacrifice and see this human existence as a temporary one. It's not so much whether you live or die, as we all eventually die one day, it's more a matter of what you do in between and how the actions of your life will echo into infinity. Would you rather live a little longer or do something that might change the world?

 

Something to think about.

 

But back to human torpedoes, not all were kamikaze. Only the German and Japanese ones were as they were desperate to win and life was considered less valuable at that moment. As I believe the Italtian and British ones had the people mounted externally so they could bail at the last moment. I read that the enemy team would pick up "swimmers" from the attacking side after an attack.

[Wunderwaffen1945]

If there would be subs in game (Hell NO!), this fella' would cause lot of mess

 

 

http://www.ussmissis...om/kaitenHI.jpg

[nixxxie]

AFAIK, WG policy is no suicide weapons - of any kinds. So, no okha, no kamikaze, no kaiten etc... It closes this topic nicely  :Smile_glasses: .

[Crag_r]

nixxxie, on 06 January 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

AFAIK, WG policy is no suicide weapons - of any kinds. So, no okha, no kamikaze, no kaiten etc... It closes this topic nicely  :Smile_glasses: .

Ok so we don't get the Yamato then, your logic is flawed  :Smile_trollface:

[anonym_auUiRfWCi1jI]

War is offensive and the nature of it is war.  The cost involved in developing technology is counted in the lives that it saves, not the lives lost.  In every war, each nation is looking for that magic bullet that will give them the edge at achieving their end goal.  Take America for example, in dropping the atom bomb on Japan, not once, but twice.  Still the only nation that has done so, people are easily offended by its use to end the war, arguing we should have continued on to Japan and invaded.

 

No, this thread brings clarity to the course of technology, its practical application, and the cessation of lives as opposed to conventional warfare.  If it was proposed, developed, or even scribbled on a napkin during the period of WWI and WWII, it's fair game on this board.

 

Thank you for posting it here and giving us all something to discuss.   :Smile_great:

 

zengoku, on 05 January 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

It never occured to me as offensive. I am sorry if it offended you. As all men who go to war lay down their lives on the line.

 

What your talking about is just a matter of survival rates unfortunately. I don't see it much different than men in Shermans going up against Tigers. It's pretty much a death mission but people did it.

 

I guess i lived in Japan for a while, and it's funny how living in a different land changes your prespective. Food and land is much more scare, so they value sacrifice and see this human existence as a temporary one. It's not so much whether you live or die, as we all eventually die one day, it's more a matter of what you do in between and how the actions of your life will echo into infinity. Would you rather live a little longer or do something that might change the world?

 

Something to think about.

 

But back to human torpedoes, not all were kamikaze. Only the German and Japanese ones were as they were desperate to win and life was considered less valuable at that moment. As I believe the Italtian and British ones had the people mounted externally so they could bail at the last moment. I read that the enemy team would pick up "swimmers" from the attacking side after an attack.

[AlternateRouge]

i hate to say this but war is where humans evolve and develop... most of the tech that we are using right now are results of military R&D...

 

about suicide weapons....

 

we cannot choose how we are born but we can choose how we die... it goes the same to all of us... they chose to die that way.... who am I to stop them?

 

i like using Kaiten torpedoes as it has far better payload than earliest acoustic torpedoes... but still its just a matter of preferences...

[brian333]

But we aren't at war here, we're talking about an arcade shooter. One must not become so immersed in the struggle for realisim that he forgets this.

[Ariecho]

If I remember well, at least on the European side, all human torpedo missions were directed at ships that were in harbor.  That's the main reason, besides not knowing where they'd sit in any tech tree, not to have them.

[International_Barfighter]

Yeah, once again, these were ambush or sabotage weapons meant for night-time attacks behind enemy lines.  They weren't used in at-sea fleet battles due to low speed and poor sea-worthiness.

[nixxxie]

AlternateRouge, on 06 January 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

we cannot choose how we are born but we can choose how we die... it goes the same to all of us... they chose to die that way.... who am I to stop them?

Yea, like that poor Arab kids now, being suicide bombers for their faith... Your thinking is wrong in soooo many ways  :Smile_sad: ...

[AlternateRouge]

Its just a matter of perspective really... what can I do to stop them when they themselves are fully committed to it? Nothing... you'll just waste your effort... i faced this once and believe me... its just a waste of effort... Humans after all like to sacrifice what they have or in a more drastic manner, themselves for the good that they know. If they want to go with a bang so be it... I will only tell them this. 'A piece of bread has better value than a human life lived in a narrow straight path of foolishness'... but thats just me... i'm tired of convincing fools...