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RNG is it inherently different for different people?

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This is a philosophical question, is it possible that some people just have better luck aka RNG than other people? I remember watching a movie called The Cooler with William H Macy. It was based on a true story about a guy who had such bad luck he was employed by a Las Vegas Casino. When a customer was on a winning streak they used to send this guy to the table and his bad luck would extinguish the winning streak and that player would start losing. While this may seem like a coincidence he was so effective a casino was willing to employ him for his unique gifts. Another article I read was on sub atomic particles and how they behaved differently when they were observed than when they were not. This led to a theory that we have the ability to shape our reality through the power of the mind. 

So what do you think are some people inherently lucky if so does that mean there are people who are inherently unlucky? 

 

EDIT* I found the article I read all the way back in 1998 that talks about the mere act of observing effect reality. A fascinating read that I wanted to share with you.

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/02/980227055013.htm

 

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Billy Zane once told me a real man makes his own luck.

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While most luck good or bad, is self made, people doing the correct things still get hit by lightning. 

And the Fregosi Emerald does exist.

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3 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

Billy Zane once told me a real man makes his own luck.

Billy Blanks once told me a real man makes his own abs, is that kinda the same thing?

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1 hour ago, Skpstr said:

Billy Blanks once told me a real man makes his own abs, is that kinda the same thing?

Billy Graham once told me a man makes his own cults.  Kinda the same thing.

Edit: Downvoted! Ha!

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No

Randomness never ‘looks’ random over a small to moderate scale. It’s clumpy and prone to streaks. So people should average reaults over a hundred games or so to get a sense of how they’re doing in a ship. 

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In Obi-Wan Kenobi's experience there's no such thing as luck.

More generally, success is a function of luck and planning/capability. The better your planning/capability, the less luck you need... but perhaps the more you seem to have, if others haven't noticed how well you planned things.

In terms of crate pulls, we are all in the hands of RNGesus, and he is a capricious SOB.

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random

 

adjective

  1. proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.
  2. Statistics . of or characterizing a process of selection in which each item of a set has an equal probability of being chosen.
  3.  
  4. Here is your answer.
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10 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

Billy Zane once told me a real man makes his own luck.

He was awesome in Tombstone.

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1 minute ago, Learux said:

random

 

adjective

  1. proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers.
  2. Statistics . of or characterizing a process of selection in which each item of a set has an equal probability of being chosen.

 

In case your question was serious, here is your answer.

So is it REALLY random? I was reading an article about The Global Consciousness Project and how they use Random Number Generators all over the world to search for anomalous outputs and that during specific events like 9/11 those "Random" number generators start to sync up for a short period before and after. So maybe nothing is random after all. 

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9 minutes ago, UssIowaSailor said:

This is a philosophical question

Mathematically, the answer is no.  Philosophically...there might be physical variables at play.  Technically, there might be execution issues at play. 

In the former, the presence of a person might influence decision of someone else.  For example, a card counter (black jack) ability might get disrupted around a certain presence.  Nothing magical or supernatural...just the presence and what that person brings in terms of talking and interaction.  The person isn't "cancelling" the luck of the card counter.  Rather, the presence is disrupting the ability of the card counter to change the odds in his favor. Net result is the counter begins to lose in the presence of the new personality.

In the latter, the implementation model (random number generator) might not be properly implemented.   An improper implementation (or even the proper implementation of an improper model) can result in a skewing of the "roll" in certain circumstances.  A player who plays in a manner where those certain circumstances occur more frequently will experience the result of the skew.  If the skew is negative, the player will experience more "bad" luck.  If the skew is positive, the player will experience more "good" luck.

In both cases above, the basis of true randomness is not changed.  It is our interaction in the midst of factors that can change the underlying randomness that is at play that changes our "luck".

All that said above.  A properly modeled and executed RNG system should not have any affect on one's luck with respect to that system.  

 

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5 minutes ago, Sweetsie said:

He was awesome in Tombstone.

See the source image

Sure makes up for him being a [edited] in Titanic:

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Did you know that dispersion looks much tighter if you play on a smaller monitor? Amazing stuff. 

It gets even tighter if you push the monitor farther away. It’s like magic

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If luck is not random....

Then it is cheating.  It is cheating either by the player, or against the player by the game.  Look for it.

Reality is that this 'game' is programmed by people whose aim is to make money.  In addition to the talented artists and researchers for ships and maps, I'm sure there are equally dedicated psychologists steering the supposed luck towards further enjoyment of this pastime.

But none of it works on me...   Let me at those Santa Crates !!!

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2018... when online casinos are loot boxes and rigged RNGs. It's the wild west people. Unregulated...unfettered. They could tell you the odds like they do on the lottery ticket, but they would have to kill you then...as the cliche goes. 

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3 minutes ago, wiztaxi said:

 They could tell you the odds like they do on the lottery ticket, but they would have to kill you then...as the cliche goes. 

Like when a member of the RED team asks a question in chat...  I reply...

"I could tell you, but then I'd have to shoot you."

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In sports good teams put themselves in a position for luck to happen.  They give themselves more opportunities that may look like luck but are simply the result of making the odds of good things happening more frequently more likely.....or some such thing.  Whatever.:Smile_great:

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7 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

In Obi-Wan Kenobi's experience there's no such thing as luck.

Hitting a 2 meter exhaust port on the Death Star was definitely luck.

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8 minutes ago, UssIowaSailor said:

Hitting a 2 meter exhaust port on the Death Star was definitely luck.

It was the force - This *work of fiction* clearly proves that you're wrong because of something made up that happened.

In all seriousness though I think you're misinterpreting the idea that subatomic particles behave differently when observed.  That refers to how when electrons interact with light their existence becomes like that of a particle, occupying a single point, whereas when not doing so they behave like a wave and existing in multiple places or something.  Electrons interacting with light will also likely change energy states from it, making it hard to know either where the electron was or where it is, I forget.

But basically electrons behaving differently has nothing to do with us looking at them, just pointing your eyes in the direction of some electrons won't change their behavior, light and whatnot will always interact with electrons either way.  Thus I believe the stipulation (theory is definitely not the right word) that we can shape reality with our minds is total bull.  The base odds are the same for everyone, while you can take action to put the odds in your favor (aiming better, choosing targets better, etc.), and while some may get lucky and others may get unlucky, that does not mean anyone has inherently higher RNG odds than anyone else.

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1 hour ago, UssIowaSailor said:

This is a philosophical question, is it possible that some people just have better luck aka RNG than other people? I remember watching a movie called The Cooler with William H Macy. It was based on a true story about a guy who had such bad luck he was employed by a Las Vegas Casino. When a customer was on a winning streak they used to send this guy to the table and his bad luck would extinguish the winning streak and that player would start losing. While this may seem like a coincidence he was so effective a casino was willing to employ him for his unique gifts. Another article I read was on sub atomic particles and how they behaved differently when they were observed than when they were not. This led to a theory that we have the ability to shape our reality through the power of the mind. 

So what do you think are some people inherently lucky if so does that mean there are people who are inherently unlucky? 

Not what I thought this thread was going to be about. 

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