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Merry Xmas WG!!!!!!!!!!

I know there have been a lot of posts in regard to the Boxes.....But this is my own fault for getting sucked into a game of chance and complete utter rubbish with RNG that you should now be ashamed of.

I was only wanting to get 1 Ship in particular which was the BELFAST... And the ONLY!!!! way to get this ship is through the crates and I have now spent in excess of like £400 to get the one ship I really want and I still havnt managed to get it!!!!!!!.

Its a shame that all premium ships are not in the store to buy,

Even worse is the times I bought 10 crates and not even get a single ship....

The image now shows the list with all crossed off that I have and over 1/2 of them premium ships I already had prior to this christmas

 

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I gave up at 20 mega/$100 because I only got some flags, camo and doubloons.

Not a single ship, not even one of those lousy T6/7 that most people didn't buy

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Last year I got pimp slapped hard by RNGesus on the Scrooge crates.  I too only bought them to get a Belfast/Kutuzov/Kami/Nicolai.  Only managed to get the Gallant.  So I've just resigned myself to the fact I'll never have one and haven't bought any Scrooge crates for myself (I did buy a few as gifts though).  It's simply not worth the stress nor the money.  

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6 minutes ago, MrDeaf said:

I gave up at 20 mega/$100 because I only got some flags, camo and doubloons.

Not a single ship, not even one of those lousy T6/7 that most people didn't buy

as I mentioned I only wanted the Belfast and have had same thing happen at times where I got 0 ships and only camos and flags etc

I will totally admit instead of spending over £400 on all the crates I have done trying to get it, I would have spent £100 on the Belfast with Captain

with the amount ive spent trying to get the 1 ship, I would love to hear from someone at WG on this and what they can do

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Belfast isn't available because they remove OP ships from sale. That they release them like this is more to bait a snare than to actually make them available. From what I'm hearing, the ship drop rate is looking to be about 10%. That's a 10% chance to get a ship at all, let alone one you want. Although, now you have me curious... Now that you've gotten everything but the three, are you only getting pulls from the removed ship set, or are you now getting doubloons from ships you've already gotten, as the main list is now empty?

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to get them last 3 ships im still going to have to spend another £120 at least and you can bet I will be lucky to get the Belfast

I dont think I have had a 10% chance with the ships in the amount of crates I had

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3 minutes ago, Feclez said:

with the amount ive spent trying to get the 1 ship, I would love to hear from someone at WG on this and what they can do

Nothing, really, I don't imagine. You're trying for one of the rarest things in the crate, which requires you to, even upon getting the right loot table, to still not get one of the other missing removed/special ships. Even at this point, you still have at best a 1/3 chance of getting her, and that's assuming the drops are all even probability. However, one is a T4 and another a T5, so it's entirely possible that the Belfast is the hardest thing to get left in those containers.

However, if the drop rate of ships actually is 10% (there has been a group effort to figure it out, I've heard, though haven't looked into as of yet), while also assuming that you will get those three if you get another ship pull (you might be able to get duplicates from the main table now, I'm not sure.), and also assuming that each ship is even in its chance to be gotten (which is unlikely) you are left with a 3.33% chance to pull her, or, on average, to get her in the next 30 containers.

This is, of course, assuming that all these things are the case. However, averages are funny things, so it's also entirely possible to not get her in 30, as there are outliers from the norm. It's also possible to get her in 1 container. Just look to Noster, who had to open something like 260 royal navy containers to get the T8 ship. Is that the normal experience? No. Is it possible? It's possible to have not gotten them even well beyond 260. Is it plausible? It grows more and more unlikely with every pull, as he'd be getting further and further from whatever the actual drop rate on those was. My guess is in the neighborhood of 1%, but it could have been higher.

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You are the reason WG can afford to do what they do with the Santa crates. I want 2 ships but there are another 40+ I don't want, so you know that if I am lucky enough to win a ship it will be one I don't want and not the Gremy or Kami (as I am looking for a premium DD at Tier V). I have the Oho which does me fine, so I can't risk throwing money away because for me that is what it will be.

 

I really do wish you luck with the Belfast, but I feel you will be underwhelmed when you get it. It is a good ship , but like most ships that are considered OP, they become priority no1 and are never as 'godlike' as people think. :Smile_honoring:

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1 minute ago, _WaveRider_ said:

You are the reason WG can afford to do what they do with the Santa crates. I want 2 ships but there are another 40+ I don't want, so you know that if I am lucky enough to win a ship it will be one I don't want and not the Gremy or Kami (as I am looking for a premium DD at Tier V). I have the Oho which does me fine, so I can't risk throwing money away because for me that is what it will be.

 

I really do wish you luck with the Belfast, but I feel you will be underwhelmed when you get it. It is a good ship , but like most ships that are considered OP, they become priority no1 and are never as 'godlike' as people think. :Smile_honoring:

I know im the reason, which is why I made the comment about wishing I could just purchase it....rather than trying to get it through the crates only..

I have actually played the ship when part of an event for WG!!! Which is the reason behind me wanting it

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14 minutes ago, Feclez said:

I know im the reason, which is why I made the comment about wishing I could just purchase it....rather than trying to get it through the crates only..

I have actually played the ship when part of an event for WG!!! Which is the reason behind me wanting it

Why would they let you buy it for £100 when you have already paid 4x that and are willing to shell out another £100+

I don't want to risk causing you frustration, so will wish you all the luck I can; in fact you are welcome to the luck I am not using by not buying the crates. :Smile_honoring:

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Buying and continuing to buy these Santa crates with the intention of acquiring a specific ship is a fantastic way to separate yourself from a lot of your money, and probably purchase a lot of frustration and anger.

Several prized ships can be acquired with these crates, but the chance of doing so is still small.

If you don't mind camo and signal flags, you will get your money's worth with these crates.  If you do not want camo or signal flags, and you just crave shiny rare ships, you will likely be throwing a lot of money away on them.

I don't need signals or camo as I have plenty, already.  I would love to have Gremyashchy and a couple of others, so I spent $25 to see if I could get ultra-lucky.  I didn't.  And I'm not spending more, because I know it would be a fool's folly.

Continuing to spend large amounts of money until you get that one ship is dangerous, and not even guaranteed to work.  Lottery winners have blown entire fortunes at casinos because they figured with that amount of money, a jackpot HAD to come their way eventually.  But, no, it doesn't.

Personally, I don't have an issue with the Santa crates.  They are a way to pick up some nice loot for a good price...if you don't target fixate on a specific prize.  Reading these forums, however, illustrates that a lot of players DO fixate on specific prizes and can't control their spending.  That does concern me.

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I know you can get dubs too which is good for getting the premium, but I know for myself I have over a years worth of premium to go, I dont mind the camos and signals as I do always get through a tonn of them

The main reason getting crates is to get the Belfast as its one ship I really really want - as I mention I wished I could have bought it coz then I could have spent maybe 1/4 the amount I have done getting other things from them 

so the biggest issue is the fact that I have had to use the crates to get the certain item I wanted - and still dont have it

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37 minutes ago, desmo_2 said:

Buying and continuing to buy these Santa crates with the intention of acquiring a specific ship is a fantastic way to separate yourself from a lot of your money, and probably purchase a lot of frustration and anger.

Several prized ships can be acquired with these crates, but the chance of doing so is still small.

If you don't mind camo and signal flags, you will get your money's worth with these crates.  If you do not want camo or signal flags, and you just crave shiny rare ships, you will likely be throwing a lot of money away on them.

I don't need signals or camo as I have plenty, already.  I would love to have Gremyashchy and a couple of others, so I spent $25 to see if I could get ultra-lucky.  I didn't.  And I'm not spending more, because I know it would be a fool's folly.

Continuing to spend large amounts of money until you get that one ship is dangerous, and not even guaranteed to work.  Lottery winners have blown entire fortunes at casinos because they figured with that amount of money, a jackpot HAD to come their way eventually.  But, no, it doesn't.

Personally, I don't have an issue with the Santa crates.  They are a way to pick up some nice loot for a good price...if you don't target fixate on a specific prize.  Reading these forums, however, illustrates that a lot of players DO fixate on specific prizes and can't control their spending.  That does concern me.

   It's almost like WG is aware of this dynamic and, dare I say, planned on this to happen as well as the obligatory late cycle probability tweaking to show, in fact, the boxes did have good chances for a ship all along. The profit from these gambling boxes has already been made me thinks.

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1 hour ago, Feclez said:

Merry Xmas WG!!!!!!!!!!

I know there have been a lot of posts in regard to the Boxes.....But this is my own fault for getting sucked into a game of chance and complete utter rubbish with RNG that you should now be ashamed of.

I was only wanting to get 1 Ship in particular which was the BELFAST... And the ONLY!!!! way to get this ship is through the crates and I have now spent in excess of like £400 to get the one ship I really want and I still havnt managed to get it!!!!!!!.

Its a shame that all premium ships are not in the store to buy,

Even worse is the times I bought 10 crates and not even get a single ship....

The image now shows the list with all crossed off that I have and over 1/2 of them premium ships I already had prior to this christmas

 

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Then you are buying crates for the wrong reasons. Unless you will be happy with getting ANY of the items in a box, don't buy the box.

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1 minute ago, Kizarvexis said:

Then you are buying crates for the wrong reasons. Unless you will be happy with getting ANY of the items in a box, don't buy the box.

suggest you read the whole thread and comments that even I have made before a comment like that

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You know what would be really awesome. You get a lot of good stuff in a crates and at the end the game says “for 1 chance only, you can throw everything you just received into another 20 crate roll for the bonus chance of getting the rarest ships!”

it would be like winning big at the casino, but throwing it all again for the chance at double the rewards. Now that be funny.

 

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1 minute ago, Legio_X_ said:

You know what would be really awesome. You get a lot of good stuff in a crates and at the end the game says “for 1 chance only, you can throw everything you just received into another 20 crate roll for the bonus chance of getting the rarest ships!”

it would be like winning big at the casino, but throwing it all again for the chance at double the rewards. Now that be funny.

 

sarcasim..

with that in mind what would be nice is instead of getting a random other ship if you already own one from the RNG is you get to pick the ship that you want

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2 minutes ago, Legio_X_ said:

You know what would be really awesome. You get a lot of good stuff in a crates and at the end the game says “for 1 chance only, you can throw everything you just received into another 20 crate roll for the bonus chance of getting the rarest ships!”

it would be like winning big at the casino, but throwing it all again for the chance at double the rewards. Now that be funny.

 

sarcasim..

   And people ended up with nothing, holy crap the salt would be beyond epic, like way off the Dead Sea salt max scale, salt for days...

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I know other people have said it and its happened also to me where I bought 3x5 crates and not got a single ship

yes, the other stuff we get is handy and nice, but people buy crates hoping to get a ship of some sort or they want 

I think the main point im trying to make is that you have to buy crates to get them with really low odds,,,, there is NO!!! choice in how you try to get it, - if I was able to just buy the ship I wanted I would have paid like £30 instead of £400+ and still not getting it

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What is it about the BELFAST??? I was “lucky” enough to get one in a crate last year. She isn’t all that OP IMO. Her play style is the same every game, find enemy, smoke up, pop hydro (and radar if needed),  hope nobody has radar, cause damage, run & repeat. She is squishy and a top target for the other team. I find the FIJI more fun in many ways. She also has torps & a heal.

Good luck with your quest (if you continue) but IMO, she isn’t worth it...

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From the times I played it during WG events I did things different than go in pop smoke and fire!! 

I never found her squishy at all!!

I think people play different ships with different playstyles... Its why I love the HOOD so much 

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8 minutes ago, cgbosn4 said:

What is it about the BELFAST???

Well, it does have some history behind it.  Kind of like Hood.  Not as well known as Hood, but Belfast does have a good bit of history behind it.  Many (self included) want one for that reason alone.  But I have (more than) enough premiums now.  I could probably play all weekend by just cycling through my premiums.  Still, I'd love to have Belfast, Kutuzov, Gremmy, Nicolai, and Kami.  But given how bad I get pimp slapped by RNGesus in WG crates, I've just resigned myself to the fact I'll never have one.  

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1 hour ago, Kizarvexis said:

Then you are buying crates for the wrong reasons. Unless you will be happy with getting ANY of the items in a box, don't buy the box.

This, 100%

I am perfectly happy to obtain anything in those crates, more stuff for me. But that's because I personally wouldn't buy the crates for the contents, but instead for the 10 units of oil that comes with each crate just for me being in a clan; so really, the contents of the crates are just bonus for me... which is probably why I am able to step back and look at the contents, and recognize, that the doubloon value equivalent, for the purchase is either given or exceeded, thus also recognize that these crates aren't gambling, because there is a 0% chance of losing the money you spent, and that ones individual subjective value of an item, does not make for good objective laws.

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