F-35

[Meriv]

I wanted to ask since I'm  a total ignorant on the topic and since there are a lot of people coming from different countries what was their opinion of the F-35, I know people will say that this topic is more a WoWp one, but in this case take in consideration  a naval contest, how does it interact with cruisers, and with a light cruiser like spanish/italian one? It was worth the money?how will it counter their counterparts from china/russia? or in the italian case will it be just like the amx, tornados and end just as huge waste of money? Are you brits and USA satisfied from it?

[Eyeless_Camper]

I belive it is way overpriced for its performance, for the price of a single F-35B you could get 5-7 Saab J39 Gripen (Both multirole fighters) with more then acceptable performance.

 

Jas 39: US$ 40–60 million

F-35B: US$ 237.7M

 

[Carrier_Enterprise]

The aircraft itself looks really cool, but it's a hell of an expensive aircraft.

[JeeWeeJ]

Looks nice on paper...but WAY too expensive for my taste..

[Wunderwaffen1945]

Yuuup, to many credits...

[nabari]

speaking of the jas 39. it had a rather poor introduction, back in 1993 while overflying, if i recall correctly, a park in stockholm, it suddenly turned back side, front. and went down. like most new age aircraft, the  only thing keeping the 39 in line, and flyable, is its computer, constantly making minute adjustments.

[Eyeless_Camper]

True, but it have considerable less losses from faults then most modern fighters  :Smile_glasses:

[Jracule]

The F-35 is expensive no doubt about it, but it is to be expected. It's an advanced aircraft that is making use of a lot of new technology. If most of the world was continuing to use Propeller driven aircraft and the Me-262 or some other early jet aircraft was suddenly introduced, the expenses would be exactly the same. So much new technology does not come cheap. Even more so when the world is not involved in a World War / Cold War where there was such a massive push for aviation technology to maintain air supremacy. With such a threat gone, the justification for spending the money needed to attain new levels of technology is also greatly reduced.   However, the good thing is that despite the expenses, it does allow other nations access to an advanced aircraft. From the first aircraft of its kind, countries can introduce new aircraft based on it. The technology also becomes more common. The upside to this is that later aircraft, though similar to the F-35, will be much cheaper and easier to acquire. Allowing people to then  gripe about the cost of sixth generation aircraft coming into service.    Just my 2 cents  :Smile_honoring:

[Crag_r]

Meriv, on 04 January 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

... Are you brits and USA satisfied from it?

Most of NATO is getting it, so its more then just the USA and UK that need to be satisfied from it.

[Super_Dreadnought]

Late overpriced rip off.

 

We don't need these planes to beat up Argentina.

 

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[Crag_r]

Deadnought, on 04 January 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

Late overpriced rip off.

We don't need these planes to beat up Argentina.

You just need an Aircraft carrier to do it off for until the Queen Elizabeth class comes in  :Smile_trollface:

[Anikus_Augustus]

The JSF is not needed for Canada nor does it meet Canada's defense needs. Just an overpriced over hyped F-105 Thunderchief.

[Windhover118]

I feel like the Navy, Marines and airforce are making the mistake of putting all their eggs in one basket. The F-35 is expected to replace the F-18 (Navy with keep its Super Hornets), Harrier, F-16 and A-10 Thunderbolt. I dont really see the F-35 being able to replace the A-10. The F-35 just wont have the same close air support capabilities the A-10 has. It is interesting that the F-35 program was looked upon favorably over the F-22 program because of its low cost but the program now cost far more than the F-22. Now, the F-35 is a dedicated multirole fighter so it will have better air to ground capavilities than the F-22 but an F-22 is still capable of performing air to ground attacks.

[Super_Dreadnought]

Crag_r, on 04 January 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

You just need an Aircraft carrier to do it off for until the Queen Elizabeth class comes in  :Smile_trollface:

We do in fact have an aircraft carrier floating off the shores of Argentina. It's called The Falkland Islands. :Smile_trollface:

Getting back on topic, the Queen Elizabeth class is running late and overbudget - like almost every western military project nowadays. But the F-35 as far as I'm aware has had even more trouble in that department. The last time I checked it was projected that by the time that the Queen Elizabeth is ready, she will have no F-35s to fly off the deck as they will not have been delivered yet. It would been far better and more cost effective to buy the Saab Gripens, or maybe even navalise the Eurofighter. F-35s are not essential to fight 1960s vintage warplanes from a certain South America nation, or drop bombs on middle eastern dictators. And unlike the US we're not likely to end up in a naval war with China anytime soon.

F-35 is a overpriced overkill for Great Britain's most likely opponents imho. Drybone sums it up perfectly.

drybone12, on 03 January 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

Found this on Facebook.

The bomb part is a bit overkill, but essentially yes.



I think a JDAM would be more appropriate but still.

[Meriv]

don't even take for serius what argentina said, it is just populism crazy one, they never learn from the past, lived there for 2 years. I just feel  sorry for the old WW2 volunteer that I met there once, he fought on the gothic line and on the faklands after. Deadnought's post and Jracule's one explain it all about F35 +1 both and thanks.

 

P.S. Deadnoughg did you know about French goverment giving you the codes for mirage missiles under the treat of using nuclear power against Argentina in the Fakland war?

[Crag_r]

Meriv, on 05 January 2013 - 02:51 AM, said:

P.S. Deadnoughg did you know about French goverment giving you the codes for mirage missiles under the treat of using nuclear power against Argentina in the Fakland war?

So your saying that Britain requests codes for the Mirage Missiles, otherwise they would use WMD's against Argentina? Not even going to start pointing out the holes in that one...

[Meriv]

yes thatcher conversation with mitterand if not wrong.

[Crag_r]

As much as i have a whole arsenal of argumets on this, lets stay off Politics especially in something so recent. It will fast turn into flaming at this rate with users with such "opposing" views

[Meriv]

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[Meriv]

ok

[Super_Dreadnought]

Let's stick with F-35 chaps.

 

I've made my point. Imho they are unjustifiably expensive.

[brian333]

But hey, as a Gold plane it would have attractions for some players.

 

I'm not going to buy one, though. I'll stick to my premium F4U's which were designed for carrier duty, but given to the Marines instead in favor of the Hellcat. F4U beat the Hellcat in every way, but the Navy crashed a bunch early in testing  because they couldn't see the deck from the cockpit and decided it was too hard to land on a carrier. The Black Sheep Squadron, among others, proved that the slower but more agile Corsair, with all it's flaws, was a capable dogfighter against the superb Zero. (A case of tactical application rather than technical dominance.)

[Super_Dreadnought]

brian333, on 06 January 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

I'm not going to buy one, though.

My spidey sense tells me you can't afford US$ 237,700,000.00 anyway. :Smile_trollface:

[laminater5555]

The plane itself really isnt that expensive, it's because the government with a fat pocket is buying them so they charge a huge amount fyi

 

What is mean is the plane if you look just at its parts and the cost of the research does not justify its pricetag as it is much lower

[thegreenbaron]

The F-35 is a terrible aircraft.  The CATOBAR version can't even be repaired while underway, it has ot be shipped back to Lockheed.  It's engines are so large they can't be handled by existing chains of supply.