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In the video I state it’s the USN.  I go further but I’ll summarize here.  Jacks of all trades suitable for beginners but that veterans can take full advantage off.  Every class is good for the most part with few weak spotsz  The BB buff makes it even more comfortable.  Addition of the light cruiser line cemented USN’s tip spot with Worcester.  

Interested to hear your thoughts though.

 

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Since only two nations have full lines, I would agree the USN is best. If WG hadn't gimicked the RN line so hard it would be the runner up I think.

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All round best cruisers = USN

All round best bbs = USN

All round best dds = Pan Asian USN

All round best CV  = Germany.

 

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Germany wins.

 

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It all depends on the context.  Just for random battle grinding, or competitive, or maybe a hypothetical nation vs nation death match?  Overall strength of all the ships, or just a specific line?   What tier?  A lot of it also comes down to personal preference and play style.

I can't really pick an overall strongest nation.  It would have to be Japan or the U.S. by default due to carriers, but again, it all depends on how you categorize it.  

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I tend to agree.

The USN has it all - CV, BB, CL, CA, DD - and the lines are pretty solid. If you had sold your soul to Satan and were doomed to play only one nation for the rest of eternity as it stands right now, the US is not a terrible option. I wish I had started up the US cruiser and destroyer lines a lot earlier than I did.

The only other nation with a fully-rounded fleet right now is Japan.

The Royal Navy could have been a viable alternative, as they were the only other nation that actively operated a full range of CV, BB, CL, CA, DD throughout WW2 (and most of WW1, for that matter*), but the lack of British heavy cruisers and a full range of carriers hampers them from being a viable contender for "best all round" right now. If the CV rework fails and we get the current system back, the USN and IJN still have fully fleshed ships at all tiers; the RN doesn't have anything we know of developed at the odd tiers, and the failure of the rework would make things interesting until those gaps got filled.

 

* They didn't have a fully operational flat-top until just before the end of WW1, and she never got to make her planned strike against Wilhelmshaven because the war ended before she was fully worked up, but the British have the honour of the first deck-launched intercept and the first bombing raid launched from a surface ship before the Great War was over. 

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Best Nation is Poland, there are no bad ships from the Polish line, although it used to be better.

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Imo the "best nation" is ultimately something the individual player decides for himself/herself.

Different players play differently, and what one player will deem "best" may be "worst" for another.

Example for my case, most people say that "gunboat DDs are more fun to play than torpedoboat DDs because dakka-dakka", but I find "dakka-dakka" extremely boring and one-dimensional. I much prefer when I play DDs to be in open water, spotting enemy ships, torping them from stealth, and shooting at ample occasions.

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I liked the French cruisers and BB's best - the fact that they haven't done a full DD line doesn't bother me, given a choice I would always take a Republic or a Henri into a tier 10 match.

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11 minutes ago, BiggieD61 said:

I liked the French cruisers and BB's best - the fact that they haven't done a full DD line doesn't bother me, given a choice I would always take a Republic or a Henri into a tier 10 match.

I love French Emile.  Fast.  I do good in her if I don't get killed early.  Delicate ship pretty much.

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13 minutes ago, RyuuohD_NA said:

Imo the "best nation" is ultimately something the individual player decides for himself/herself.

I agree, and any player's well-rounded fleet would optimally have ships from multiple nations. But the US is the only nation to have tech tree carriers, destroyers, battleships, and keep light cruisers AND heavy cruisers all the way to Tier 10, and from that perspective could be argued to be the most versatile fleet in terms of the options they offer, even if their individual ships sometimes lack things other nations have (especially torpedoes for cruisers).

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In terms of ships I like and enjoy playing, I'd go with Germany first, US second.

(The lack of a CV line for the KM became completely meaningless the moment the rework was announced.)

 

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It seems to me it's the Canadians. Tons of Canadians play on the NA server and a lot of them are very good at it.  Players > Ships.  

Oh wait, this is about ships not players. Never mind. 

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Only the USN and IJN can boast full lines atm, so imho it's between them two. Of the two my opinion is:

DD: USN. Simply the best all rounders that can do everything decently. IJN DDs tend to be overspecialised.

CL/CA: IJN. They are overall more well rounded than the USN, especially with recent buffs. Accurate, high fire chance and HE damage, somewhat tanky, torps, stealthy.

BB: IJN. Imho the USN are let down here by the lower tiers 21 knots slugs, and WG's proposed USN BB buffs are laughably irrelevant. IJN BBs overall are better rounded, and even Izumo is lately being lavished with substantial buffs.

CV: IJN. My understanding is that USN CVs are in a bad spot against IJN CVs with the current mechanics.

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We all know it's Russia.  We maybe in denial about it, but there's strong evidence that when Russia has complete lines, they will all have some of the very finest paper ships in the game, outclassing all of the iconic real ships by a wide margin.

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When I joined WOWS I decided to grind the USN lines first. No regrets. The ships seem to be as mentioned, good Jack of all trades vessels. The CL class is more of a challenge for me. I attribute that to my focusing on other class of ships and neglecting them somewhat. Not the ships fault.

I did win a couple RN and French ships which will probably be the next two lines to grind.

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Honestly, guys, I wouldn't use whether a nation has a carrier line as a measure of the quality of that nation's overall tech tree.  Most nations won't have carrier lines, since only the USN, IJN, and RN built enough carriers to even produce "real steel" carrier lines.

I'd suggest judging the quality of a nation's in WoWS by just its BBs, CA/CLs, and DDs, since that will automatically widen the choices to a more reasonable level.  But this is just my opinion.

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8 minutes ago, Sventex said:

We all know it's Russia.  We maybe in denial about it, but there's strong evidence that when Russia has complete lines, they will all have some of the very finest paper ships in the game, outclassing all of the iconic real ships by a wide margin.

Da.  Rrrrussian navy, best navy!  Best Stalinium armor!  Best Stalinium AP shells!  And best of all, Stalin guides your shots with special Rrrrussian Number Generator, aka RNG!!! :cap_rambo:

 

 

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My .02 wrt the tech trees

CV's: IJN (by a lot)

BB's: USN (by a squeaker over IJN/MN, RN is too reliant on HE spam when many/most players have long since compensated for it and the KriegsMemerine aren't viable in competitive game modes)

CA's: USN/IJN (tie, USN has utility and DPM but lacks alpha unless their opponents potato / get crossfired while the IJN's alpha strike capability almost no matter what circumstance is unparalleled.)

DD's: IJN/VMF (tie, IJN main line gun buff was pretty huge in allowing them to defend themselves against other DD's while the alt line's 1/4 pen and 6x torps are crazy, VMF has the original Kebab and JOAT alt line.)

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CV: KM Grafy Stupellin

BB's: KM (Shiny Horse double kraken hard carry) 

CA's: Is Balans Comrade!

DD's: You gotta be Kidd'ing me!

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I agree with a caveat; the USN is a better all-round Nation after being given a few balance passes in recent months, and have some major flexibility with their CL line and consumable set.

However, the IJN despite not having received as much balance passing as the USN had, still holds pretty well that it could almost be an even exchange. True, the IJN are a slightly more punishing to play, since poor plays will be met with a quick return to port, but mastering them pretty much sets up the general recommended playstyle for other lines. If the IJN got a full balance pass on the IJN BBs and some buffs to IJN torpedoes, they'd be closer to tying with the USN for "Best Nation".

That being said, we also have no other nations that aren't gimmicked heavily to some degree. The French come close with a pretty solid mix of vanilla play and until recently, only speed boost, but are penalized in some respects. If WG does follow through with changes to IFHE and caliber mechanics (greater differences between <203 caliber and ≥203 caliber), then maybe the French can become a solid contender for a 3-way tie as far as Cruisers and BBs go.

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Probably USN for versatility but KM/IJN lines also succeed at being well rounded. French/UK tend to be specialized and everyone else only has line or two(RU has 3 but 2 are DDs). 

USN beats out KM because Monty is more versatile than GK, and beats out IJN because radar and Gearing can handle the roles of both IJN DD's decently(If not quite as well in either case).

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KM line; basically the idiot proof lines: Fast firing, high velocity, long ranged, baked in IFHE cruisers, BB's with no citadels (amazing how the RN catches the flak for this when the KM are far more tanky), huge health, insane secondaries, great hydro to keep pesky torps at bay, and as if it wasn't enough, the most comfortable gun handling among BB's, and even their DD's are somewhat idiot proof as they might be the best Torp spammers in the game.

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USN. American ships don't really have any glaring weaknesses in comparison to other nations in the game (something that irritates me, considering how every other nation has problems). 

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Just now, iEatChickenMcNuggets said:

don't really have any glaring weaknesses

Beamy, large SS's that light up easy, so-so belt armor, and floaty shells on BB's.

CA/CL's lack any appreciable alpha in regard to missing torps and typically sacrifice a great deal of range and/or shell comfort for great pen and RoF/Radar.

DD's are pretty good, although they lack the lazers of the RU/IJN.

USN CV's are worse at almost every tier than their IJN/KM Breathern. Even as annoying as a Saipan is, a Kaga is that much worse.

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Just now, _RC1138 said:

Beamy, large SS's that light up easy, so-so belt armor, and floaty shells on BB's.

CA/CL's lack any appreciable alpha in regard to missing torps and typically sacrifice a great deal of range and/or shell comfort for great pen and RoF/Radar.

DD's are pretty good, although they lack the lazers of the RU/IJN.

 USN CV's are worse at almost every tier than their IJN/KM Breathern. Even as annoying as a Saipan is, a Kaga is that much worse.

American bb superstructures aren't that bad in comparison to KM or RN ones. Belt armour is fine, and the floaty shells are managable. Super heavy AP helps offset the floaty shells; if you can land hits, you will do more damage than your counterparts. 

 

American CAs do lack in torpedoes, but their rof and long radar times make them good dd killers, and again, the ap shells can do a lot of damage if you see a broadside target. The bow armour at higher tiers is thicker than other nations, so if you get lucky, you can get bounces. Also, the citadel of cruisers are somewhat harder to hit (in my experience). Did I mention the ap shell angle buffs? 

 

DDs, well, they are very well rounded. The only real problem is the shell velocity. 

 

USN CVs suck, but they are CVs. You have to remember that. Midway can be hell to fight if you aren't focused. 

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