Jump to content
You need to play a total of 5 battles to post in this section.
Kizarvexis

PvE MM tracking Experiment results

27 comments in this topic

Recommended Posts

2,562
[PVE]
Members
10,843 posts
7,979 battles

Ok, others and I were discussing yet another T8 MM thread back around the beginning of October. @evilleMonkeigh wondered if PvE saw similar T8 MM to PvP. I didn't know, but suspected it did and so did evilleMonkeigh. Since I'm a PvE main, I decided to keep track of T8 PvE games. And since I was doing that, I went ahead and did T5 through T9 with T10 being slightly different. I was going to go to 100 battles, but since I did a more T6 & T8 battles, I went with until I finished all of this patch's Directives. Here are the results.

 

Rules I used. I counted an all same tier match as Mid tier match. Fail divisions were counted as the tier used for MM, because if you are in a T7 match with a T4 in it, he is only there because of another T5 so you are bottom tier. I did not do any divisioning, so these are all solo matches. I kept track of CVs, bot CVs and when I played CV. I didn't try to even out the ship types as I went with what I was grinding or a ship type to complete a particular mission or what I felt like playing or had to play. All percentages are rounded to 2 decimals, so may not hit 100% exactly.

 


Tier 5
I was grinding Acasta for the RN event, but the rest is almost all premium ships as I have ground past T5 in every line. I found getting a Four Goal Haul in PvE was easier with premium T5 DDs.

52 total battles with 40 in DDs (76.92%), 7 in CL/CA (13.46%), 3 in BBs (5.77%) and 2 in CVs (3.85%).

16 of the 52 battles were top tier (30.77%)
I had zero battles where all the ships were T5
36 of the 52 battles were bottom tier (69.23%)

Of the 52 battles, 24 had CVs (46.15%)
Of the 52 battles, 2 of them had bot CVs (3.85%) both T5 bots
Of the 52 battles, 2 of them were me playing CV (3.85%)
Of the 24 CV battles, 2 of them had bot CVs (8.33%)
Of the 24 CV battles, 2 of them were me playing CV (8.33%)

Of the 416 ships on each side (mirror MM in PvE);
63 were T7 ships (15.14%)
87 were T6 ships (20.91%)
202 were T5 ships (48.56%)
62 were T4 ships (14.9%)
and 2 were fail division T3 ships (0.48%)

 

 

Tier 6
I've been grinding various ships to T7, grinding captains to 10pts and retraining various captains.

110 total battles with 57 in DDs (51.82%), 8 in CL/CA (7.27%), 21 in BBs (19.09%) and 24 in CVs (21.82%).

18 of the 110 battles were top tier (16.36%)
48 of the 110 battles were mid tier (43.64%) one of which was 8 players
44 of the 110 battles were bottom tier (40%)

Of the 110 battles, 57 had CVs (51.82%)
Of the 110 battles, 2 of them had bot CVs (1.82%) both were T6 bots
Of the 110 battles, 24 of them were me playing CV (21.81%)
Of the 57 CV battles, 2 of them had bot CVs (3.51%)
Of the 57 CV battles, 24 of them were me playing CV (42.11%)

Of the 880 ships on each side (mirror MM in PvE);
98 were T8 ships (11.14%)
205 were T7 ships (23.3%)
389 were T6 ships (44.2%)
187 were T5 ships (21.25%)
1 was a T4 fail division (0.11%)

 

 

Tier 7
I have some lines ground to T7 and a LOT of my games were playing Nueve de Julio to get 300k XP to finish a mission to get Boise (special bundle mission). Plus the usual Cmdr and ship grinds.

67 total battles with 2 in DDs (2.99%), 42 in CL/CA (62.69%), 23 in BBs (34.33%) and 0 in CVs.

37 of the 67 battles were top tier (55.22%)
19 of the 67 battles were mid tier (28.36%)
11 of the 67 battles were bottom tier (16.42%)

Of the 67 battles, 23 had CVs (34.33%)
Of the 67 battles, 4 of them had bot CVs (5.97%) 1 T7 bot and 3 T5 bots

Of the 23 CV battles, 4 of them had bot CVs (17.39%)

Of the 536 ships on each side (mirror MM in PvE);
21 were T9 ships (3.92%)
72 were T8 ships (13.43%)
208 were T7 ships (38.81%)
129 were T6 ships (24.07%)
106 were T5 ships (19.78%)

 


Tier 8
I only have a few lines ground to T8 and a LOT of my games were playing Cossack for RN Missions. Plus the usual Cmdr and ship grinds.

110 total battles with 43 in DDs (39.09%), 15 in CL/CA (13.64%), 52 in BBs (47.27%) and 0 in CVs.

51 of the 110 battles were top tier (46.36%)
10 of the 110 battles were mid tier (9.09%)
49 of the 110 battles were bottom tier (44.55%)

Of the 110 battles, 44 had CVs (40%)
Of the 110 battles, 7 of them had bot CVs (6.36%) 1 T7 bot and 6 T8 bots

Of the 44 CV battles, 7 of them had bot CVs (15.91%)

Of the 880 ships on each side (mirror MM in PvE);
148 were T10 ships (16.82%)
74 were T9 ships (8.41%)
402 were T8 ships (45.68%)
159 were T7 ships (18.07%)
94 were T6 ships (10.68%)
3 were fail division T5 ships (0.34%)

 


Tier 9
I only had Missouri, Buffalo & Musashi at the start and I picked up Kronshtadt during the experiment.


50 total battles with 0 in DDs, 5 in Kronshtadt (10%), 45 in BBs (90%) and 0 in CVs.

15 of the 50 battles were top tier (30%)
29 of the 50 battles were mid tier (58%) one was all T9s (2 players & 6 bots)
6 of the 50 battles were bottom tier (12%)

Of the 50 battles, 20 had CVs (40%)
Of the 50 battles, 13 of them had bot CVs (26%) 1 T7 bot, 9 T8 bots & 3 T9 bots

Of the 20 CV battles, 13 of them had bot CVs (65%)

Of the 400 ships on each side (mirror MM in PvE);
107 were T10 ships (26.75%)
127 were T9 ships (31.75%)
126 were T8 ships (31.5%)
40 were T7 ships (10%)

 

 

Tier 10
I only have Des Moines at T10, so this is all with that ship. Since T10 is always Top tier, I did things differently. I counted the all T10 games, the games with one or more T9s (no T8s) and the games with 1 or more T8/T9 ships.


41 total battles with Des Moines.

2 of the 41 battles were all T10 ships (4.88%)
3 of the 41 battles had at least 1 T9 ship and no T8s (7.32%)
36 of the 41 battles had at least 1 T8 ship (87.8%)

Of the 41 battles, 19 had CVs (46.34%)
Of the 41 battles, 13 of them had bot CVs (31.71%)

Of the 19 CV battles, 13 of them had bot CVs (68.42%) 1 T9 bot and 12 T8 bots
of the 19 CV battles, 4 of them were T10 CVs (21.05%) all were players

Of the 328 ships on each side (mirror MM in PvE);
162 were T10 ships (49.39%)
47 were T9 ships (14.33%)
117 were T8 ships (35.67%)
2 were fail division T7 ships (0.61%) of which one was a T7 CV (Ranger IIRC)

 


I was surprised at how few same tier matches there were. Of the 430 battles I kept track of, only 4 were same tier and two of those were T10 battles. With the exception of T9 & T10, the ships I tended to see most overall were my own tier. So while I might be bottom tier in a T8, I was not always seeing tons of T10s. For T6 I was not always seeing tons of T8s and T5 was not always seeing tons of T7s. I did have premium time through out this experiment and since I have well over 6 months left, I will not be doing this without premium time. Find another guinea pig. :Smile_teethhappy:

 

  • Cool 6
  • Boring 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,985
[NGA]
Alpha Tester
10,113 posts
4,429 battles

So for Tier 5: 24 battles had CVs, and every one of those 24 had a bot cv(opponent), but only twice was there a bot(friendly).

 

Were there any 2v2 cv matches?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2,562
[PVE]
Members
10,843 posts
7,979 battles
1 minute ago, J30_Reinhardt said:

So for Tier 5: 24 battles had CVs, and every one of those 24 had a bot cv(opponent), but only twice was there a bot(friendly).

 

Were there any 2v2 cv matches?

Nope, PvE only allows 1 CV, probably because there are only 8 ships per team.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Members
2,920 posts
1,365 battles

Its still clear enough for t5-6 that they see bottom tier quite frequently and top much less.  T7 was pretty definitively getting some really good MM.

T8 was interesting, almost equal tops n bottoms, but barely any mid tiers...

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2,566
[PVE]
[PVE]
Members
5,964 posts
18,842 battles

Nice post Kiz, great data to ponder. I would try and say this mirrors my own experiences but I never pay it any attention nor play a ship more than once a day so am relying only on my unreliable memory....

  • Funny 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3,439
[GWG]
[GWG]
Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters
16,315 posts
9,621 battles

The tiering seems to echo Lert's experiments except for tier 8 which saw approximately 10 points fewer top tier and 10 points more bottom tier in randoms.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
563
[KAOZ]
Beta Testers
3,387 posts
2,530 battles

To note that the matchmaking has been going down the toilet (and seriously) eversince we had an influx of PvP ppl doing their modules and other missions in PvE.
It used to be a lot more balanced before (like all tier5's with one T4 and one T6 happening often), and T8 would only VERY RARELY have any T6 or T9+.   T10 was only T10 ships with a lot of bots (and up to 3 players on the player side) it was a blast too.
Nowadays Co-Op is insanely more popular, and that ruined part of it's charm.

That's why you see posts to make it 8vs12 (8 players vs 12 bots), to bring back some of the challenge back.
Nice experiment tho, it fits with my findings as well.

  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
137
[FARQD]
Members
447 posts
6,721 battles
24 minutes ago, Taylor3006 said:

Nice post Kiz, great data to ponder. I would try and say this mirrors my own experiences but I never pay it any attention nor play a ship more than once a day so am relying only on my unreliable memory....

That was funny :D

How can you rely on something unreliable :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
817
[SYN]
Members
3,129 posts
14,387 battles

Yep agree with Francios battles are over far too quickly so we need more bots to people

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,985
[NGA]
Alpha Tester
10,113 posts
4,429 battles

Have had a pair of fights in my Massachoochoo with zero DD's at all tonight. Weird.

Wonder how often that happens?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
67
[TCNNA]
Members
343 posts
12,070 battles

Worst pve mm is for low tier BB. DD and CL rush , kill every bot and when you finally are in range battle is over. This when you charge in middle at 20knt. Lol. BTW I quite only play DD. Suggestion: reduce DD to Max 2/3 for BB player fun.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Members
147 posts
6 hours ago, Francois424 said:

Nowadays Co-Op is insanely more popular, and that ruined part of it's charm. That's why you see posts to make it 8vs12 (8 players vs 12 bots), to bring back some of the challenge back.
 

^This^

I am a coop main and originally liked the idea of WG allowing missions to be completed in coop. This however has become somewhat of a double edged sword.

Some of the matches are over in as little as 4 min. And yes I know, just start a new one. However; doing that 8 out of 10 times gets old fast to the point I have just started logging off the game and finding something else to do.

I miss the days in high tier matches when it was 2 or 3 humans and the rest bot teams. The bots go Kamikaze and the team was left with a far more challenging and interesting battle and you didn't see the 90% plus win rates at those tiers. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
78
[KAPPA]
Members
358 posts
4,642 battles
30 minutes ago, BugsBunni said:

^This^

I am a coop main and originally liked the idea of WG allowing missions to be completed in coop. This however has become somewhat of a double edged sword.

Some of the matches are over in as little as 4 min. And yes I know, just start a new one. However; doing that 8 out of 10 times gets old fast to the point I have just started logging off the game and finding something else to do.

I miss the days in high tier matches when it was 2 or 3 humans and the rest bot teams. The bots go Kamikaze and the team was left with a far more challenging and interesting battle and you didn't see the 90% plus win rates at those tiers. 

Play co-op at 4 am or so. Almost every match is 2-3 humans tops! It's wonderful. Playing co-op during the day just feels... dull.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2,788
[PVE]
Members
6,449 posts
11,447 battles
6 hours ago, Mikebello said:

Worst pve mm is for low tier BB. DD and CL rush , kill every bot and when you finally are in range battle is over. This when you charge in middle at 20knt. Lol. BTW I quite only play DD. Suggestion: reduce DD to Max 2/3 for BB player fun.

MM is limited to 4 DD and 4 BB max in Co-op now.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
136
[SRPH]
[SRPH]
Members
572 posts
1,195 battles
5 hours ago, BugsBunni said:

^This^

I am a coop main and originally liked the idea of WG allowing missions to be completed in coop. This however has become somewhat of a double edged sword.

Some of the matches are over in as little as 4 min. And yes I know, just start a new one. However; doing that 8 out of 10 times gets old fast to the point I have just started logging off the game and finding something else to do.

I miss the days in high tier matches when it was 2 or 3 humans and the rest bot teams. The bots go Kamikaze and the team was left with a far more challenging and interesting battle and you didn't see the 90% plus win rates at those tiers. 

And with T8+ ships, you need to be able to get enough damage, objectives, etc. in to pay for maintenance costs, so when your whole team is human and in faster or higher DPM ships, you're likely to be losing credits in those matches rather than breaking even.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Members
2,920 posts
1,365 battles
12 hours ago, Camo68 said:

Yep agree with Francios battles are over far too quickly so we need more bots to people

Just add respawns.  Turn coop into the usual BF/CoD type death match....or limited spawns.  Also remove tge stupid point system, or give the AI points so it doesnt end to soon.

Ofc id rather see coops become wot Frontlines mode....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Members
2,920 posts
1,365 battles
20 minutes ago, Bonfor said:

And with T8+ ships, you need to be able to get enough damage, objectives, etc. in to pay for maintenance costs, so when your whole team is human and in faster or higher DPM ships, you're likely to be losing credits in those matches rather than breaking even.

And that takes away every ounce of enjoyment for me.  Why try to win, play hard if you know your going to walk away with pennies, or owing.....

Same issue I have in every game like this.....garbage rewards that dont pay what the effort was worth, then think imma buy prem to boost garbage to meh...naw, I buy prem to boost meh to good or great, otherwise it doesnt seem worth it.

  • Cool 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
483
[WOLF5]
Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters, Beta Testers
2,312 posts
26,020 battles
5 hours ago, AdmiralThunder said:

MM is limited to 4 DD and 4 BB max in Co-op now.

Must be a soft cap then.  Because I know I see matches with 5 or more BBs per side.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2,788
[PVE]
Members
6,449 posts
11,447 battles
3 hours ago, Patton5150 said:

Must be a soft cap then.  Because I know I see matches with 5 or more BBs per side.

You could see that until recently but it is now 4 max for both ship types.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
67
[TCNNA]
Members
343 posts
12,070 battles
On 11/20/2018 at 3:33 PM, AdmiralThunder said:

MM is limited to 4 DD and 4 BB max in Co-op now.

I know. Soft 4 DD and BB. Maybe put 2 more bot as enemy? 8 vs 10.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1,985
[NGA]
Alpha Tester
10,113 posts
4,429 battles

I need to restate how rare DDs in co-op is at tier 8 at these late hours is. It's like.. 3 BB 1 CV and the rest cruisers. If anything it's 1 DD whenever someone jumps on.

Strange.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×