cruisers

[historicgamer]

um so this is my second topic the first one was horrible so let's move on this is about cruiser and how they will be used. Why am I a fan of cruisers? because they are in my opinion the most diverse class from battle cruiser like mini battleships to light cruisers which are like gun destoyers

[mr3awsome]

Battle cruisers will be in the BB grouping

[JeeWeeJ]

Yeah, cruisers look like they'll be fun to play. At least they were really fun to play in NF, so i have high hopes for WoWs!

[Elouda]

Agreed. I also think this is the class we'll see the most variety between different ships, from the all-round US heavy cruisers to the gun and torpedo loaded IJN ones, from rapid-firing 15 gun monsters like the Brooklyn to light destroyer leaders like the Yubari.

[JeeWeeJ]

Elouda, on 03 January 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

Agreed. I also think this is the class we'll see the most variety between different ships, from the all-round US heavy cruisers to the gun and torpedo loaded IJN ones, from rapid-firing 15 gun monsters like the Brooklyn to light destroyer leaders like the Yubari.

And that's only with the USN and IJN...now add the RN, HSF/KM and all those other seafaring nations... Much fun will be had with cruisers!

[Wunderwaffen1945]

Mogami, Cleveland and Atlanta clas

[El3m3nttt]

My personal favorites were the USN Northampton class and the IJN Mogami class, they both bring their own specialties, for instance the USN chose heavier guns for the job and the IJN chose heavier torpedoes up to CA classes, shows you how different the two were in their naval thinking.

[alphakaynine]

anyone excited for dayZ?

 

_{(not a derail attempt)}

_{also i am not in any way endorsing this game.}

[Windhover118]

Cruisers are going to be my main line of focus.

[Raptorbergen]

Windhover118, on 03 January 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

Cruisers are going to be my main line of focus.

Literally

[Goldeneye54]

In the end I'm sure I'll play the cruiser class the most.  I know they are throw in with BB and such but to me they are the medium tank type which I love.  Not super slow like most heavies but still got a decent amount of fire power.

 

For the USN I'll be going for the Northampton class and Alaska class.  For the IJN I'll be going for the Mogami class.

[Super_Dreadnought]

mr3awsome, on 03 January 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

Battle cruisers will be in the BB grouping

Really? that's very interesting.

I always assumed that Hood would be in the cruiser line because it was a battlecruiser, but apparently this is in error.

[Gaglug]

Deadnought, on 04 January 2013 - 01:12 AM, said:

Really? that's very interesting.

I always assumed that Hood would be in the cruiser line because it was a battlecruiser, but apparently this is in error.

A battlecruiser is basically a battleship-sized ship with a battleship's armament but with crappy armor.  So...she's faster, but she is no match at all for Battleships.   She's fast, a good scout, and totally dominates everything else on the sea except battleships.   Think of a WoT heavy tank with a big gun but with medium/light tank armor.   Battlecruisers were great on paper (which is why all the major naval powers built them in the 20th century) but their actual battle performance was "Get blown up immediately by battleships and other battlecruisers, but they can eat cruisers like popcorn"

[sgtpepper500]

I am sort of curious to how the different sizes will be played and the strategies they will require. The carriers are what intrigue me the most. Really interested in how they will function and play in game cause there aren't too many games around like the one WG is making.

[Super_Dreadnought]

Gaglug, on 04 January 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

A battlecruiser is basically a battleship-sized ship with a battleship's armament but with crappy armor.  So...she's faster, but she is no match at all for Battleships.   She's fast, a good scout, and totally dominates everything else on the sea except battleships.   Think of a WoT heavy tank with a big gun but with medium/light tank armor.   Battlecruisers were great on paper (which is why all the major naval powers built them in the 20th century) but their actual battle performance was "Get blown up immediately by battleships and other battlecruisers, but they can eat cruisers like popcorn"

Yup, I was thrown off by the name battlecruiser and the fact you rightly mention that they couldn't stand up to proper battleships.

If Hood is indeed put into the battleship line then I foresee a whole generation of WoWs players - who will mistake it for a true battleship - trying to sink the Bismarck, and raging that they were 1-shot to death...

...Wargaming will duly nerf the Germans. :Smile_trollface:

[_Jeremiah_Gottwald]

I want my battleship lines and carrier lines. I doubt I'll go for the cruisers though.

[Gaglug]

Cruisers will end up having the most varied gameplay.   The most "flexible options" and differences between navies and ships shows up in cruisers.  Many different specialized roles and buildouts of cruisers.

[Madwolf05]

Reading up on the North Hampton Class cruiser, USS Louisville, I found that a lot of the jobs she fulfilled where bombardment missions during various land operations, or to soften up targets and harras enemy positions before hand. As the war went on and they got closer to mainland Japan she would join up with various larger task forces and hunt down enemy ships.

[Khovax]

During WW2, cruiser primarley served as esscorts for CVs and were used as heavy anti air platforms. I can see the same thing happening in this game.

 

dont get me wrong, i plan to play cruisers when the game launches. I just see us playing a limited role

[sharlin648]

Cruisers will basically be the 'mediums' of the game, not built to slug it out with the big boys but still a threat that can't be ignored, especially top teir ones like the Des Moines with her automatic 8 inch guns and displacing more than a fair few dreadnoughts as well as being longer than them too.  Against battleships and battlecruisers you'll still be able to be more than a pest, if you're a Japanese cruiser you have magnificent torpedoes, the RN's torps were not bad either, the USN didn't bother with torps on cruisers.

 

8 and 6 inch guns can bugger up a battleships upper works or get lucky hits against thinner armoured areas on a larger opponent or at close range, and we're talking less than 10k, they can start punching through the belts of battlecruisers or riddling a battlships unarmoured bow.

 

And Destroyers will hate and fear a well controlled cruiser, your guns rate of fire is high enough for you to shell spam until you hit, especially the light cruisers, more so the Brooklyn Class with their 15 x 6 inch guns.

[Madwolf05]

Khovax, on 04 January 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:

During WW2, cruiser primarley served as esscorts for CVs and were used as heavy anti air platforms. I can see the same thing happening in this game.

dont get me wrong, i plan to play cruisers when the game launches. I just see us playing a limited role

I think that's false actually. Cruisers did serve in that roll, but they were often sent on shore bomardment missions to soften up enemy positions and to hunt down enemy ships as well. As the war progressed the US cruisers were more heavily armed with AA defense and started to increase their rolls as defenders of the CVs.

Other nations used cruiser groups more heavily than the USN did as independent Hunter Killer type task forces.

[JeeWeeJ]

Yeah, due to the immense costs of building and operating BB's (and due to a lack of BB's due to the naval treaties) cruisers (especially CA's) more or less took the job initially intended for BB's. The 8" guns still packed quite a punch while at the same time they were a lot more cost efficient to run around the globe.

[Gaglug]

Khovax, on 04 January 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:

During WW2, cruiser primarley served as esscorts for CVs and were used as heavy anti air platforms. I can see the same thing happening in this game.

dont get me wrong, i plan to play cruisers when the game launches. I just see us playing a limited role

Historically cruisers did everything, depending on how they were designed at fitted out.

Scouts
Screens for capital ships.
AA ships.
Shore bombardment
Leaders for destroyer groups/destroyer hunters
Support for capital ships
Raiders

We'll have to see how the game implements the different cruiser options, but there should be a significant difference between a small and fast light cruiser, a cruiser with over a dozen 6" guns and a cruiser with eight 8" guns and heavy armor.