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22 hours ago, tinfoilpaperweight said:

Jutland is a serious downgrade from Lightning and gun as utter crap. 

I dont think so.  I think Jutland has more utility than Daring.

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On 6/16/2019 at 2:25 AM, tinfoilpaperweight said:

Jutland is a serious downgrade from Lightning and gun as utter crap. 

It is different but after upgrading it this is one of my favorite boats. I did not like it at first but the upgrades make all the difference. 

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On 6/16/2019 at 2:25 AM, tinfoilpaperweight said:

Jutland is a serious downgrade from Lightning and gun as utter crap. 

I thought it was a hard ship at first, but I encourage you to give it some time.    The Jutland is one of my favorite ships nowadays.  I'm currently trying to learn new ship lines, and when I want to pad my WR for the night, I turn to the Jutland for seal clubbing; for me, its the ship that is most immune to mismatches in team skills.  A high-skill commander is recommended -- I now have a 19 point commander on mine, including IFHE and CE, SI and SE, LS and either AR or JoAT, and PM.   An AA build is remarkably effective.   Once you get CE and IFHE, you'll find it vastly superior to Lightning. 

 

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Kind of a necro thread, but I am slowly working up the line. Is there a way to make Jutland useable/fun without IFHE? Only a 10pt captain so far and I too CE first. 

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23 hours ago, Sabot_100 said:

Kind of a necro thread, but I am slowly working up the line. Is there a way to make Jutland useable/fun without IFHE? Only a 10pt captain so far and I too CE first. 

I don't have any experience in it without IFHE since I've always had it on Jutland. But what I would do if I didn't have it is use its' killer OP AP a lot and only use HE for superstructures on low armoured ships and when you want some fires. However IFHE is getting a MAJOR nerf soon and from what I heard the penetration of all low caliber shells (other than IJN gunboat DD's which is good they deserve a nerf) is getting buffed. Notser has a video about it. I expect WG will give free commander re-specs just like when the CV rework went live. I won't take IFHE after the nerf, i'll probably go with Radio Location seeing as I already have CE.

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On 8/12/2019 at 4:12 PM, Iron_Salvo921 said:

But what I would do if I didn't have it is use its' killer OP AP a lot and only use HE for superstructures on low armoured ships and when you want some fires

The AP can be frustrating if  target keeps changing angles. Lots of bounced shots, even for DDs. Need a nice steady broadside.

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4 hours ago, Sabot_100 said:

The AP can be frustrating if  target keeps changing angles. Lots of bounced shots, even for DDs. Need a nice steady broadside.

Yes, I didn't mind that before it's stupid nerf that it didn't deserve because it's reload was so fast so it didn't really matter that you got one salvo off accidentally on an angled target. Now I'm grinding to get my commander to BFT. Completely hate that nerf, so dumb, meanwhile Kita and Haru and 80% of RU ships exist...

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Honestly, I hate this ship.

The torps are slowish at 65kts, only 10km range, easily spotted at 1.3km, slow to reload and have pathetic firing angles.

The guns are only 113mm with no bite, IFHE is useless since the nerf, loading is slow (with BFT it's 3.8 seconds) and it has a HUGE blind spot to the rear.  If you're trying to run away then you can't shoot behind you even if you have too (i.e. an enemy DD behind spotting that you just have to kill to go dark).  The shell arcs are large and even hitting BBs at 10kms takes some careful aiming and almost clairvoyant predictions.  If you run into ANY DDs and have to fight then you're dead.  Even the Japanese torpedo boats beat the snot out of you in short order.

Concealment is meh, I have CE and CM1 and it's only 5.7km.

Speed is only 35.7kns so getting somewhere take a lot of patience.  I've been chased by some of the newer CAs and they are almost as fast as the Jutland.

The only role it seems to be able to reliably fulfil is running a screen for heavier allied units to spot torpedo's and keep the enemy DDs away.  Unfortunately that doesn't lend itself to putting up any decent XP in a game so the grind to the Daring is unbelievably long.

Time really hasn't been nice to the Jutland and it has been seriously power creeped.

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5.7km concealment is 2nd best at its tier only beaten by Yugumo. 
65kts torpedoes are not slow and 1.3km detection on them is very good.
The gun DPM on that ship is still insanly good and you can beat enemy Destroyers with ease.

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