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I created it and want to know who would want it.  

It has battleship armor but cruiser guns, the five inch quad turrets and i realized it doesn't need AA more than it already has. the aft guns are from the french, their 203 guns with three in each turret and a smoke stack from IJN Cruisers. 

What i meant to say is, how to classifly this, is it a heavy Cruiser, its obviously a heavy cruiser and sorry for the click bait title.

 

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It's a Paravane. Well that's the usual answer when some one asks that.

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1 hour ago, Sovereigndawg said:

It's a Paravane. Well that's the usual answer when some one asks that.

It is obviously a heavy Cruiser with battleship armor?  it still has slow speed because its a new mexico hull but it has enough five inch guns which are unarmored still because it is  in IRL. anyways do you know anyone who can draw the top view because i cannot.

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The real life version. AG-17 USS Wyoming gunnery training ship.

USS_Wyoming,_gunnery_training_ship,_1944

 

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15 minutes ago, BrushWolf said:

The real life version. AG-17 USS Wyoming gunnery training ship.

USS_Wyoming,_gunnery_training_ship,_1944

 

Beautiful Picture and was the inspiration for this design.  the only goal was, how many guns can you put one ship. well, most of the gun crews went to cruisers and DD'S so this makes sense.  also i do those guns like on the fletcher too and i totally forgot about those, how many do  you think i could  on the ship?  

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8 hours ago, Carlos_Rivas_13 said:

Beautiful Picture and was the inspiration for this design.  the only goal was, how many guns can you put one ship. well, most of the gun crews went to cruisers and DD'S so this makes sense.  also i do those guns like on the fletcher too and i totally forgot about those, how many do  you think i could  on the ship?  

I think there was also a financial reason for this, 5" is a lot cheaper and they have all the basics except for bagged powder instead of shell casings.

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9 hours ago, BrushWolf said:

The real life version. AG-17 USS Wyoming gunnery training ship.

USS_Wyoming,_gunnery_training_ship,_1944

 

Would really like to see this in game... would be a fun and hilarious tier 5.

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9 hours ago, Carlos_Rivas_13 said:

PARAVAN is that thing i see on warships and did not what it was.  LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Yeah, sorry I couldn't resist making a joke. Most of the time when someone asks WTH is that thing, the answer is Paravane.

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1 hour ago, Gen_Saris said:

Would really like to see this in game... would be a fun and hilarious tier 5.

No way it would work at tier 5, the tech tree Wyoming is tier 4 and the torpedo bulges and most of the belt armor was removed for this use of the ship. This would fit tier 3 or maybe tier 4 better.

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3 hours ago, BrushWolf said:

No way it would work at tier 5, the tech tree Wyoming is tier 4 and the torpedo bulges and most of the belt armor was removed for this use of the ship. This would fit tier 3 or maybe tier 4 better.

The dual purpose 5" mounts would be wicked OP at tier 3 or 4.... 10k range and 4s reload. Give it Wyoming's A hull and it would be fine... a bigger, slower Atlanta.

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16 hours ago, Carlos_Rivas_13 said:

What i meant to say is, how to classifly this, is it a heavy Cruiser, its obviously a heavy cruiser and sorry for the click bait title.

Not a heavy cruiser.

Heavy / light cruiser is dictated by their weapons and role and has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Less than 200mm caliber guns = light cruiser, more = heavy cruiser. This 'thing' you've concocted has 127mm guns, so if you're going to insist on a cruiser classification, it'd be a light cruiser.

However, that ship would fill a completely different role. It wouldn't be a scout ship or an escort ship for either convoys or capital ships, it has the tonnage and armor of a battleship, but not the guns to be classified a battleship. It is a monstrosity that falls outside of the classifications in this game.

That said, lacking any real options as to what to classify her, I would consider her to be a gunnery platform, and since her primary role would be AA, she'd be an AA gunnery platform.

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15 minutes ago, Lert said:

Not a heavy cruiser.

Heavy / light cruiser is dictated by their weapons and role and has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Less than 200mm caliber guns = light cruiser, more = heavy cruiser. This 'thing' you've concocted has 127mm guns, so if you're going to insist on a cruiser classification, it'd be a light cruiser.

However, that ship would fill a completely different role. It wouldn't be a scout ship or an escort ship for either convoys or capital ships, it has the tonnage and armor of a battleship, but not the guns to be classified a battleship. It is a monstrosity that falls outside of the classifications in this game.

That said, lacking any real options as to what to classify her, I would consider her to be a gunnery platform, and since her primary role would be AA, she'd be an AA gunnery platform.

So pretty much what the wymoning was, a training ship at best? 

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13 minutes ago, Carlos_Rivas_13 said:

So pretty much what the wymoning was, a training ship at best? 

Best I can figure, yes.

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I could be completely wrong on this...probably am actually, but oh well...easiest way to find out if you're wrong is to say it out loud and see if you get Gibbs slapped.

@Lert correct me I'm wrong, but didn't the designation for ships being classified by gun size come about as a result of the Washington Naval Treaty? For some reason, I'm seeming to recall it was a tonnage thing before that...but again, I may be wrong.

Also, since there are two different approaches to Battlecruisers...the US/Brit approach of BB guns and cruiser armor, and the German approach of BB armor and cruiser guns...it could almost fit the German idea for a light BC? Possibly a cruiser squadron leader?

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