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can someone help me here? WHO had the idea to make these abbreviations?

what does CV mean?Curriculum Vitae? because that's the abbreviation for curriculum vitae.

what about BB? is this where the meme BaBies or baBBies came from?

DD?Dear Daughter? Developmentally Disabled?

CL?CA?

ANYONE?this is serious.

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DD = Destroyer

CA = Armored Cruiser / Protected Cruiser / Heavy Cruiser

CL = Light Cruiser

BB = Battleship

CV = Carrier

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4 minutes ago, CylonRed said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_classification_symbol

Surface combatant type section

Tjhere are a crap ton of ships - likely need to use 2 letters to cover them all.

that's really helpful. i didn't know the  word voler was used,it looks french.

CV( carrier voler) or something like that.

the page says "It is important to understand that hull number letter prefixes are not acronyms, and should not be carelessly treated as abbreviations of ship type classifications. "

that might have been my mistake,treating the classification codes as abbreviations. the DD one still irks me somehow,it's that other D letter,i'm still treating it as abbreviation,but it's like instinct. it could be DS(destroyer Ship) same way DE(Destroyer Escort)

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9 minutes ago, Cruxdei said:

that's really helpful. i didn't know the  word voler was used,it looks french.

CV( carrier voler) or something like that.

the page says "It is important to understand that hull number letter prefixes are not acronyms, and should not be carelessly treated as abbreviations of ship type classifications. "

that might have been my mistake,treating the classification codes as abbreviations. the DD one still irks me somehow,it's that other D letter,i'm still treating it as abbreviation,but it's like instinct. it could be DS(destroyer Ship) same way DE(Destroyer Escort)

The DD in it's most basic sense stands for destroyer destroyer (though I've also seen Destroyer Designation/Designated... which goes on to our current missile dependent destroyers as DDG or Destroyer Designated Guided) and designated a fleet destroyer. The main class of destroyers that you see in the game evolved from earlier torpedo boat destroyers. Other destroyer types have been used for almost as long and are differentiated by other letters, such as DE for Destroyer Escort.

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3 minutes ago, KingCakeBaby said:

The DD in it's most basic sense stands for destroyer destroyer (though I've also seen Destroyer Designation/Designated... which goes on to our current missile dependent destroyers as DDG or Destroyer Designated Guided) and designated a fleet destroyer. The main class of destroyers that you see in the game evolved from earlier torpedo boat destroyers. Other destroyer types have been used for almost as long and are differentiated by other letters, such as DE for Destroyer Escort.

the Destroyer Designated  looks and sounds better than Destroyer Destroyers.

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CV comes from Cuiser Voler, Voler being French for 'to fly'

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13 minutes ago, hexeris said:

CV comes from Cuiser Voler, Voler being French for 'to fly'

so it's french,in the end,the hull designations are a mix of british navy,us navy and french.

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CL = Light cruiser

CA = Heavy cruiser

BB = Battleship. Prior to the HMS Dreadnought it was often a single B.

CV = Cruiser Aviation

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Many of the websites listing ship types are dreck. Most call an LPH "Landing Platform Helicopter", which drives me up the wall. 

US naval nomenclature:

L= Amphibious (LKA, etc)

P= Transport (AP, LPA, etc)

Its an amphibious transport, helicopter. 

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Most of these are from an earlier time of the British navy. Terms like "BB", for instance, were intended that the first letter represents primary type (battleship) of the ship, and the second letter represents the subtype of the ship (e.g.: CA: Cruiser, Armoured; CL: Cruiser, Light). Battleships and destroyers do not have meaningful subtypes at that time, so "BB" basically means the ship type is "battleship," and the subtype is also "battleship".

Carriers, when first invented, were thought to play the cruiser role in a fleet, thus "CV" (Cruiser, Aviation/Voler). 

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1 hour ago, hexeris said:

CV comes from Cuiser Voler, Voler being French for 'to fly'

 

1 hour ago, Cruxdei said:

so it's french,in the end,the hull designations are a mix of british navy,us navy and french.

Commonly thought that is true, but there is no conclusive evidence, as per NavWeap...

A common question is "what does the 'V' stand for in CV or CVA or CVS or CVE?"

[Thanks to C. Bossie who provided much of the following answer.]

The following is taken from "United States Naval Aviation 1910-1995, Appendix 16: US Navy and Marine Corps Squadron Designations and Abbreviations":

On 17 July 1920, the Secretary of the Navy prescribed a standard nomenclature for types and classes of NAVAL VESSELs, including aircraft, in which lighter-than air craft were identified by the type "Z" and heavier-than air craft by the letter "V". The reference also speculates that: "The use of the "V" designation has been a question since the 1920s. However, no conclusive evidence has been found to identify why the letter "V" was chosen. It is generally believed the "V" was in reference to the French word volplane. As a verb, the word means to glide or soar. As a noun, it described an aeronautical device sustained in the air by lifting devices (wings), as opposed to the bag of gas that the airships (denoted by "Z") used. The same case may be regarding the use of "Z". It is generally believed the "Z" was used in deference to Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin. However, documentation has not been located to verify this assumption."

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I've read somewhere that originally following the Washington Treaty cruisers armed with 155mm (6.1") guns or smaller were going to use the abbreviation "CB" but was later changed to "CL". Later the "large cruisers" of the Alaska class used the CB abbreviation.

Anyway going by USN standards for the time (till the 1950s or so when things start to get much more complicated)

 

B = battleship (replaced by BB in 1920)

BB = battleship

C = cruiser, unprotected or protected (abbreviation obsoleted in 1920)

CS = cruiser, scout (replaced by the CL designation in 1920)

CA = cruiser, armored (later used to denote a cruiser armed with 8" guns which were the maximum allowed by the Washington Treaty)

CL = cruiser, light (following the Washington Treaty the maximum gun caliber for these was 155mm (6.1"))

CC = cruiser, capital (a battlecruiser, considered a capital ship under the Washington Treaty)

CB = cruiser, large (only used for the post-treaty Alaska class)

CF = cruiser, flight deck (never-used designation for flight deck cruiser which kept a substantial 8" or 6" gun battery)

CV = aircraft carrier (the V may originate from the French language, also referenced as cruiser, aviation; later refers to all "fleet carriers") 

CVL = aircraft carrier, light

CVE = aircraft carrier, escort (the Navy went through several different names and abbreviations for this type of ship before settling on CVE)

CVB = aircraft carrier, large (was to be the original abbreviation for the Midway class)

D = destroyer (replaced by DD in 1920)

DD = destroyer

DE = destroyer, escort

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3 minutes ago, _Marines said:

Most of these are from an earlier time of the British navy. Terms like "BB", for instance, were intended that the first letter represents primary type (battleship) of the ship, and the second letter represents the subtype of the ship (e.g.: CA: Cruiser, Armoured; CL: Cruiser, Light). Battleships and destroyers do not have meaningful subtypes at that time, so "BB" basically means the ship type is "battleship," and the subtype is also "battleship".

Carriers, when first invented, were thought to play the cruiser role in a fleet, thus "CV" (Cruiser, Aviation/Voler). 

No the system originated in 1920s in the USN.

 

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Wow this thread got really interesting with tons of information. Thanks everyone for putting this all together.

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15 minutes ago, _Marines said:

Most of these are from an earlier time of the British navy. Terms like "BB", for instance, were intended that the first letter represents primary type (battleship) of the ship, and the second letter represents the subtype of the ship (e.g.: CA: Cruiser, Armoured; CL: Cruiser, Light). Battleships and destroyers do not have meaningful subtypes at that time, so "BB" basically means the ship type is "battleship," and the subtype is also "battleship".

Carriers, when first invented, were thought to play the cruiser role in a fleet, thus "CV" (Cruiser, Aviation/Voler). 

The ships that were unchanged from the pre-1920's designation scheme with no further designation simply duplicated the letter. so, B for Battleship became BB, Destroyers went from D to DD, ect... 

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27 minutes ago, _Marines said:

Most of these are from an earlier time of the British navy. Terms like "BB", for instance, were intended that the first letter represents primary type (battleship) of the ship, and the second letter represents the subtype of the ship (e.g.: CA: Cruiser, Armoured; CL: Cruiser, Light). Battleships and destroyers do not have meaningful subtypes at that time, so "BB" basically means the ship type is "battleship," and the subtype is also "battleship".

Carriers, when first invented, were thought to play the cruiser role in a fleet, thus "CV" (Cruiser, Aviation/Voler). 

AC was armored cruiser which was also in some navies a Battleship second class. After the 1920 the nomenclature became more similar to what we have become used to, CL, CA, DD, BB, but the US hung on to some US only designations, SC for Scout Cruiser was the most well known. Then when the Alaska came out we used CB for Large Cruiser I think mainly to remind the admirals that she was not for the line of battle. However, it was the best execution of Jackie Fisher's Battlecruiser ideal and in a world without CV's there would have been a CB race as everyone tried to build the best one.

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4 hours ago, Lert said:

DD = Destroyer

CA = Armored Cruiser / Protected Cruiser / Heavy Cruiser

CL = Light Cruiser

BB = Battleship

CV = Carrier

CB

CC

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Funny, I always thought BB was for Big Boat 

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5 hours ago, hexeris said:

CV comes from Cuiser Voler, Voler being French for 'to fly'

It also means 'to steal'.

(No, there's no accounting for the French...)

 

 

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4 hours ago, Lampshade_M1A2 said:

I've read somewhere that originally following the Washington Treaty cruisers armed with 155mm (6.1") guns or smaller were going to use the abbreviation "CB" but was later changed to "CL". Later the "large cruisers" of the Alaska class used the CB abbreviation.

Anyway going by USN standards for the time (till the 1950s or so when things start to get much more complicated)

 

B = battleship (replaced by BB in 1920)

BB = battleship

C = cruiser, unprotected or protected (abbreviation obsoleted in 1920)

CS = cruiser, scout (replaced by the CL designation in 1920)

CA = cruiser, armored (later used to denote a cruiser armed with 8" guns which were the maximum allowed by the Washington Treaty)

CL = cruiser, light (following the Washington Treaty the maximum gun caliber for these was 155mm (6.1"))

CC = cruiser, capital (a battlecruiser, considered a capital ship under the Washington Treaty)

CB = cruiser, large (only used for the post-treaty Alaska class)

CF = cruiser, flight deck (never-used designation for flight deck cruiser which kept a substantial 8" or 6" gun battery)

CV = aircraft carrier (the V may originate from the French language, also referenced as cruiser, aviation; later refers to all "fleet carriers") 

CVL = aircraft carrier, light

CVE = aircraft carrier, escort (the Navy went through several different names and abbreviations for this type of ship before settling on CVE)

CVB = aircraft carrier, large (was to be the original abbreviation for the Midway class)

D = destroyer (replaced by DD in 1920)

DD = destroyer

DE = destroyer, escort

Just to further add to this list though some ships will not be in this game:

BC = Battle Cruiser

CB = Coastal Battleship e.g. FNS Väinämöinen  ( Finnish )

MS = Minesweeper e.g. HMS Bayfield

ML = Minelayer e.g. IJN Okinoshima

CLAA = Anti Aircraft Cruiser e.g. USS Atlanta  

AMC = Armed Merchant Cruiser  e.g. HMS  Alcantara

AC = Auxiliary Cruiser e.g. KMS Atlantis

SS = Submarines 

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9 hours ago, Lert said:

DD = Destroyer

CA = Armored Cruiser / Protected Cruiser / Heavy Cruiser

CL = Light Cruiser

BB = Battleship

CV = Carrier

These, plus a few more that are/will be important in WoWs moving forward:

SS = Submarine, Attack; strictly speaking a submarine whose primary role is to go out and hunt surface ships, primarily shipping. Has a medium range and sustainability

SF = Submarine, Fleet; a typically large, heavier, more heavily armed and longer ranged/faster submarine designed, by intention at least, to operate with fleets and set ambushes for capital ships along assumed routes. If subs get added to WoWs, the vast majority will likely be SF's primarily due to the higher number of tubes they typically carried compared to SS's.

CC = Battlecruiser; more in depth later but suffice to say any other abbreviation for battlecruisers (CB, BC) are incorrect and typically modern (post internet) corruptions, not in practice used abbreviations. Also, a Battlecruiser is *not* a Battleship with armor shaved off to go faster (because that is NOT how physics works) but rather a *CRUISER* built to BB proportions (as typified by the first CC class, the Invincibles, basically being enlarged and upgunned version of the prior Armored Cruiser Class, Minotaur).

CVL = Light Carrier; ships typically fast enough to keep up with main fleets but with far lower hanger capacities than true CV's (fleet CV's). Typically were not purpose built and instead were just repurposed cruiser hulls

CVE = Carrier, Escort; much slower, lower capacity Carriers designed to escort conveys/supply ships. Typically primarily carried ASW duties and weapons rather than AShW.

DE = Destroyer, Escort; similar to the CVE in being a slower, lighter version of a DD, primary tasked with escorting convoys. They typically had a higher proportion of ASW weapons than surface action weapons as well; I expect these ships to eventually make an appearance, if only as Premiums.

2 hours ago, tm63au said:

Just to further add to this list though some ships will not be in this game:

BC = Battle Cruiser

 

 

BC is wrong by every standard and has never been used in any context (baring the internet). At best, CB, standing for 'Cruiser, Large' makes more sense, although strictly speaking still does not apply. 'CC' which stands for Cruiser, Capital, and was *actually* the designation for the USN's Battlecruisers, the Lexington Class, being CC-1, CC-2, and CC-3. BC makes no sense as warship hull abbreviations are not typically built around what 'sounds' right  (otherwise BB would be B.S. for BattleShip, or CV would be AC for Aircraft Carrier). CC is the correct term for Battlecruiser and the *only* correct abbreviation.

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38 minutes ago, _RC1138 said:

These, plus a few more that are/will be important in WoWs moving forward:

SS = Submarine, Attack; strictly speaking a submarine whose primary role is to go out and hunt surface ships, primarily shipping. Has a medium range and sustainability

SF = Submarine, Fleet; a typically large, heavier, more heavily armed and longer ranged/faster submarine designed, by intention at least, to operate with fleets and set ambushes for capital ships along assumed routes. If subs get added to WoWs, the vast majority will likely be SF's primarily due to the higher number of tubes they typically carried compared to SS's.

CC = Battlecruiser; more in depth later but suffice to say any other abbreviation for battlecruisers (CB, BC) are incorrect and typically modern (post internet) corruptions, not in practice used abbreviations. Also, a Battlecruiser is *not* a Battleship with armor shaved off to go faster (because that is NOT how physics works) but rather a *CRUISER* built to BB proportions (as typified by the first CC class, the Invincibles, basically being enlarged and upgunned version of the prior Armored Cruiser Class, Minotaur).

CVL = Light Carrier; ships typically fast enough to keep up with main fleets but with far lower hanger capacities than true CV's (fleet CV's). Typically were not purpose built and instead were just repurposed cruiser hulls

CVE = Carrier, Escort; much slower, lower capacity Carriers designed to escort conveys/supply ships. Typically primarily carried ASW duties and weapons rather than AShW.

DE = Destroyer, Escort; similar to the CVE in being a slower, lighter version of a DD, primary tasked with escorting convoys. They typically had a higher proportion of ASW weapons than surface action weapons as well; I expect these ships to eventually make an appearance, if only as Premiums.

BC is wrong by every standard and has never been used in any context (baring the internet). At best, CB, standing for 'Cruiser, Large' makes more sense, although strictly speaking still does not apply. 'CC' which stands for Cruiser, Capital, and was *actually* the designation for the USN's Battlecruisers, the Lexington Class, being CC-1, CC-2, and CC-3. BC makes no sense as warship hull abbreviations are not typically built around what 'sounds' right  (otherwise BB would be B.S. for BattleShip, or CV would be AC for Aircraft Carrier). CC is the correct term for Battlecruiser and the *only* correct abbreviation.

Any examples of an SF in the USN?

all subs in my experience have been SS in the USN, even the nukes, which becam SSN or SSBN. SS came to be understood as a Diesel attack boat.

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