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Grinding the Jutland, serious concerns...

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While I have a had a few decent games....I'm sub 50% but the real concern is the following. At 15 games in and an average of 6 dd's per game...so, with 90 or so dds, I've seen 2 Jutlands and no Darings. With this being the newest tech tree line, shouldn't there be several of these? Kinda like there were US CA's all over the place when that was new?

What gives? Granted I am just grinding as it gives me something to do, but there is little "juice" to this line. Is this like grinding to a dead end?

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well just dont play on the weekends.  

I saw many jutlands and darings in my games. Also weekend warriors are idiots

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1 minute ago, lungiwear said:

well just dont play on the weekends.  

I saw many jutlands and darings in my games. Also weekend warriors are idiots

only time I can play these days. Even very few Lightnings, wondering if there is little interest in this line or many didn't get any missions and are still stuck on low tier ships in this line.

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Only a few daring players jump right away to the Tier X ships when a line is new.  The guys with interest and tons of FreeXP or money laying around to convert ShipXPs -> FreeXPs.  It's going to take a while for guys to work their way to Tier X.

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2 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Only a few daring players jump right away to the Tier X ships when a line is new.  The guys with interest and tons of FreeXP or money laying around to convert ShipXPs -> FreeXPs.  It's going to take a while for guys to work their way to Tier X.

Agreed, Haze.  I have the FXP to make the jump, but don't want to waste them.  I view the grind as a way to actually more easily grind out commander's XP and FXP.  Just stack up my best economic flags and camo on a  grind ship and I can easily pile up lots of CO-XP and FXP in a real hurry.  I hate wasting those flags on premiums, but on tech tree ships, I get maximum bang for my buck, since the regular XP earned is put to its fullest use as well.

 

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13 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Only a few daring players jump right away to the Tier X ships when a line is new.  The guys with interest and tons of FreeXP or money laying around to convert ShipXPs -> FreeXPs.  It's going to take a while for guys to work their way to Tier X.

Did you just go full on play on words sir?

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1 hour ago, APA_204 said:

While I have a had a few decent games....I'm sub 50% but the real concern is the following. At 15 games in and an average of 6 dd's per game...so, with 90 or so dds, I've seen 2 Jutlands and no Darings. With this being the newest tech tree line, shouldn't there be several of these? Kinda like there were US CA's all over the place when that was new?

What gives? Granted I am just grinding as it gives me something to do, but there is little "juice" to this line. Is this like grinding to a dead end?

WoWs Numbers shows ~5,600 Daring and 9,500 Jutland games on NA thus far.  Given that the line hasn't been out all that long, that not everybody got an early start with Lightning via the RN containers, and that many casual players probably burned up their free XP on the US cruiser split/IJN gunboat line fairly recently, these are healthy numbers.  Daring is #1 and Jutland #2 (behind Black) in WR among their respectively tiered destroyers, but that's to be taken with a grain of salt given that most of those who are playing these ships already are going to be the most regular & experienced players.

I'm still working through Lightning myself, and I am in absolute love with that ship.  Like the RN cruisers it isn't the easiest ship to play, but once you get a handle on its strengths it is incredibly rewarding.  Based on what I've seen of Jutland & Daring, I'm expecting the same from them.

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5 minutes ago, Harv72b said:

WoWs Numbers shows ~5,600 Daring and 9,500 Jutland games on NA thus far.  Given that the line hasn't been out all that long, that not everybody got an early start with Lightning via the RN containers, and that many casual players probably burned up their free XP on the US cruiser split/IJN gunboat line fairly recently, these are healthy numbers.  Daring is #1 and Jutland #2 (behind Black) in WR among their respectively tiered destroyers, but that's to be taken with a grain of salt given that most of those who are playing these ships already are going to be the most regular & experienced players.

I'm still working through Lightning myself, and I am in absolute love with that ship.  Like the RN cruisers it isn't the easiest ship to play, but once you get a handle on its strengths it is incredibly rewarding.  Based on what I've seen of Jutland & Daring, I'm expecting the same from them.

I am sure there is a ton of truth to that, but still, ive seen more Alaskas than I have Darings.

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I have a Jutland and a daring, the Jutland in my eyes is better than the daring, I just haven't been able to make the daring work for me, but the Jutland has been a beast of a dd, I am finding that the slow speed of the daring doesn't warrant the 6 km detection it has as it is to slow to get away from anything.

 

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13 minutes ago, CriMiNaL__ said:

I have a Jutland and a daring, the Jutland in my eyes is better than the daring, I just haven't been able to make the daring work for me, but the Jutland has been a beast of a dd, I am finding that the slow speed of the daring doesn't warrant the 6 km detection it has as it is to slow to get away from anything.

 

at 20 games, not one Daring yet. about 5 Jutlands out of 160 possible dds...meh, 150, I did get top tier twice as tier 9. 

I don't think anyone has any interest in this line.

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33 minutes ago, CriMiNaL__ said:

I have a Jutland and a daring, the Jutland in my eyes is better than the daring, I just haven't been able to make the daring work for me, but the Jutland has been a beast of a dd, I am finding that the slow speed of the daring doesn't warrant the 6 km detection it has as it is to slow to get away from anything.

 

I will likely end up agreeing with the preference for the Jutland; I’m alright with losing a second of reload for 0.3 concealment.  But been taking Jutland very slow since have a sick 7month old and wpuld rather be in a BB when she wakes up than a DD

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The Daring and Jutland are extremely hungry for skilled captains. You cannot play these ships to their potential unless you at least have a 14 point captain. That is probably the reason why there aren’t so many around now. A ship that must have IFHE just to work is also pretty unattractive to some. Couple that with the nerfs late in the Daring’s development and you have lots of reasons for people to hold back. I’m probably just going to stop at the Jutland. For a defensive DD the detection range is too high on the Daring and it needs too many skill points.

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1 hour ago, APA_204 said:

I don't think anyone has any interest in this line.

It's like every other line which has been introduced to this game: a few people will free xp/bull rush to tier 10 either because they main that type of ship or for historical reasons.  The vast majority will ignore it as they continue to work down lines which they've already started.  Opinions among CCs will vary widely as individuals work to determine the best tactics and builds for these ships.

Using the much more easily reached tier 5 Acasta as an example, that ship has already accumulated 76,000 battles on NA.  By way of comparison, its Pan-Asian counterpart the Jianwei has about 265k battles in the well over a year since its release.

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4 hours ago, APA_204 said:

While I have a had a few decent games....I'm sub 50% but the real concern is the following. At 15 games in and an average of 6 dd's per game...so, with 90 or so dds, I've seen 2 Jutlands and no Darings. With this being the newest tech tree line, shouldn't there be several of these? Kinda like there were US CA's all over the place when that was new?

What gives? Granted I am just grinding as it gives me something to do, but there is little "juice" to this line. Is this like grinding to a dead end?

I see loads of the news DD in matches I play. 

 

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Too new to Jutland but Lightning is right now my best WR in Randoms for ships with over 15 games.   ALL SHIPS OVER 15 GAMES

Jutland seems to be on the same road as Lightning.   I have less than 10 games in it.       

 

Cossack was not enjoyable.

  My take is that we have too many choices in the Tier 10 DD pool.    This may make the need for yet another DD that is not substantially different than a DD already in a Captains fleet very unappealing. 

 

My motivation is having family with British Navy history.   I agree with the posts about the 19 point Captains.  I have two British 19 Point Captains and one 18 point.   Also watched Flamu and a few others videos.  

 

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in low tier co-op on the weekends, the matches are filled with Medeas, Valkyries, and Wakefuls.

Most probably aren't fxping to the higher tiers.

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I liked Jutland, getting to know Daring now...

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I heard Daring received some "balancing" when WG added her on live server. Maybe it's why you don't see a lot playing her. 

 

But I must say, when WG released Worcester, there wasn't a single game without at least 2 Worcester per side. When Daring was released, I think I merely had 1 Daring per game every 2-3 game. 

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they are not seen because they are "defensive " DDs. i still don't know what the [edited] that means.

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