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 I think that having such an obvious weakness needs to be eliminates. Good players know exactly where to shoot the Yamato and you can citadel it easier than any other T10 battleship...provided you know where to shoot. The Yamato was the most terrifying battleship to ever sail the seas. It was more heavily armored than any battleship in existence putting it in the game with what is effectively a glass jaw is just wrong. Fix that and let Yamato be the monster she was always intended to be. 

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Isn't the armor layout in that area historically accurate?

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Sure, but let's also change the overmatch formula to 14.4 while we are at it. 

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More of a question of whether the other BBs should have other weaknesses. Like Conqueror getting a citadel at all. 

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2 minutes ago, Patton5150 said:

Isn't the armor layout in that area historically accurate?

I doubt it is very accurate....the Iowa class armor scheme is way off. 

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Just now, JediMasterDraco said:

@Belthorian I will hold you personally responsible if this thread draws a certain Iowa-hating loony tune back to the forums

ROFLMAO.........I served on the Iowa in real life.......I play mainly US battleships in game......I just feel that the Yamato doesn't represent the threat that it should. When you have the most powerful battleship ever build bow camping the entire time because showing any sides will cause you to eat citadels, that is a bad thing. 

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3 minutes ago, BlailBlerg said:

More of a question of whether the other BBs should have other weaknesses. Like Conqueror getting a citadel at all. 

Exactly, ships like the Conq and Republic are far less vulnerable to AP damage than the Yammy.....paper ships should not trump real ships in my opinion.

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10 minutes ago, Belthorian said:

The Yamato was the most terrifying battleship to ever sail the seas. It was more heavily armored than any battleship in existence putting it in the game with what is effectively a glass jaw is just wrong.

"The only time Yamato fired her main guns at enemy surface targets was in October 1944, when she was sent to engage American forces invading the Philippines during the Battle of Leyte Gulf."

"In a desperate attempt to slow the Allied advance, Yamato was dispatched on a one-way mission to Okinawa in April 1945, with orders to beach herself and fight until destroyed protecting the island."

"on 7 April 1945 she was sunk by American carrier-based bombers and torpedo bombers with the loss of most of her crew."

What a terrifying battleship. It shot once, sank nothing, was ordered to become a shore battery because Japan would rather spend 12x the fuel per hour on battleships than run an actually effective fleet with their dwindling resources, and then was sunk by carrier aviation.

If wargaming were going the historic route with Yamato, it wouldnt be able to move because of a fuel shortage and would instantly die to planes.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Belthorian said:

ROFLMAO.........I served on the Iowa in real life.......I play mainly US battleships in game......I just feel that the Yamato doesn't represent the threat that it should. When you have the most powerful battleship ever build bow camping the entire time because showing any sides will cause you to eat citadels, that is a bad thing. 

I personally view it as a bit of a trade-off, Yamato has the most potential to inflicting horrendous damage, but she also is most at risk for suffering damage. Kind of like how German BBs need to close the range fast or be outclassed, but while their armor scheme protects them from citadels, their relatively low TD means they're vulnerable to torpedoes. It's a series of entangled checks and balances. And while I'll admit the Yamatos are big and heavily armored, there is evidence that the quality of the steel used for their armor was not suitable for the task. Besides, it's not as bad as what US BBs suffered through in the first year-and-a-half of the game, only the US didn't have the option of LOL!penning other BBs. And I've yet to hear anything about the Yamato suffering from below-average performance in the overall stats.

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15 minutes ago, Belthorian said:

ROFLMAO.........I served on the Iowa in real life.......I play mainly US battleships in game......I just feel that the Yamato doesn't represent the threat that it should. When you have the most powerful battleship ever build bow camping the entire time because showing any sides will cause you to eat citadels, that is a bad thing. 

it's historically accurate since yamato spent most of her service camping.

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1 minute ago, Cruxdei said:

it's historically accurate since yamato spent most of her service camping.

ROFLMAO......you sir just won the internet!!!!!!

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21 minutes ago, Belthorian said:

 I think that having such an obvious weakness needs to be eliminates. Good players know exactly where to shoot the Yamato and you can citadel it easier than any other T10 battleship...provided you know where to shoot. The Yamato was the most terrifying battleship to ever sail the seas. It was more heavily armored than any battleship in existence putting it in the game with what is effectively a glass jaw is just wrong. Fix that and let Yamato be the monster she was always intended to be. 

I watched a Yami take 2 full torp broadsides (9torps) and still sail on with  a DD size chunk of HP left over.

I think the Yamato is plenty powerful enough thank you.

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8 minutes ago, JediMasterDraco said:

I personally view it as a bit of a trade-off, Yamato has the most potential to inflicting horrendous damage, but she also is most at risk for suffering damage. Kind of like how German BBs need to close the range fast or be outclassed, but while their armor scheme protects them from citadels, their relatively low TD means they're vulnerable to torpedoes. It's a series of entangled checks and balances. And while I'll admit the Yamatos are big and heavily armored, there is evidence that the quality of the steel used for their armor was not suitable for the task. Besides, it's not as bad as what US BBs suffered through in the first year-and-a-half of the game, only the US didn't have the option of LOL!penning other BBs. And I've yet to hear anything about the Yamato suffering from below-average performance in the overall stats.

It is not that they are suffering....maybe it is just bias on my part, reading all the books on Battleships the Yamato represented the ultimate development and were fully capable of taking on multiple battleships and having a chance to come out on top. For me at least they are good but I prefer my Monty, GK, and Republique over my Yammy. 

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I think changing yamato's citadel isn't a good idea. With her new access to the accuracy legendary module, she has incredibpe accuracy. Buffing the citadel armor so she doesn't always have to be bow in would be excessive and push her into being overpowered.

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12 minutes ago, The_Painted_Target said:

"The only time Yamato fired her main guns at enemy surface targets was in October 1944, when she was sent to engage American forces invading the Philippines during the Battle of Leyte Gulf."

"In a desperate attempt to slow the Allied advance, Yamato was dispatched on a one-way mission to Okinawa in April 1945, with orders to beach herself and fight until destroyed protecting the island."

"on 7 April 1945 she was sunk by American carrier-based bombers and torpedo bombers with the loss of most of her crew."

What a terrifying battleship. It shot once, sank nothing, was ordered to become a shore battery because Japan would rather spend 12x the fuel per hour on battleships than run an actually effective fleet with their dwindling resources, and then was sunk by carrier aviation.

If wargaming were going the historic route with Yamato, it wouldnt be able to move because of a fuel shortage and would instantly die to planes.

 

 

Didn't she sink the escort carrier USS Gambier Bay? The admiral or captain in charge of two Iowa class battleships was offered the opportunity to engage the Yamato but he declined and said sink it with aircraft. 

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1 minute ago, Komrade_Rylo said:

I think changing yamato's citadel isn't a good idea. With her new access to the accuracy legendary module, she has incredibpe accuracy. Buffing the citadel armor so she doesn't always have to be bow in would be excessive and push her into being overpowered.

I have no problem with that...she was TOTALLY OP in WW2 lol. 

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3 minutes ago, Belthorian said:

It is not that they are suffering....maybe it is just bias on my part, reading all the books on Battleships the Yamato represented the ultimate development and were fully capable of taking on multiple battleships and having a chance to come out on top. For me at least they are good but I prefer my Monty, GK, and Republique over my Yammy. 

but in the end,books are books and we will never know if she was truly capable of brawling.she had her chances but she was used more like a morale booster than a battleship.

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1 minute ago, Belthorian said:

It is not that they are suffering....maybe it is just bias on my part, reading all the books on Battleships the Yamato represented the ultimate development and were fully capable of taking on multiple battleships and having a chance to come out on top. For me at least they are good but I prefer my Monty, GK, and Republique over my Yammy. 

I'll give it to you that Yammy was certainly an impressive ship on paper, but reality proved, like gravity, to be a harsh mistress. As for taking on multiple battleships, Yamato was designed to fight and overwhelm the old Standard-type US BBs (basically tier V-VII) but while she was being built the US were constructing their new fast battleships, which may not have been a match for Yamato individually, I'd wager that two, especially the Iowas with their high speeds and advanced fire control, would've been able to beat a Yamato.

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6 minutes ago, DarkStormy said:

I watched a Yami take 2 full torp broadsides (9torps) and still sail on with  a DD size chunk of HP left over.

I think the Yamato is plenty powerful enough thank you.

In the attacks on the Yamato she took something insane like 20 torpedo hits and 18 bomb hits....even when I read it I have a hard time comprehending how she stayed afloat for so long. 

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35 minutes ago, Belthorian said:

 I think that having such an obvious weakness needs to be eliminates. Good players know exactly where to shoot the Yamato and you can citadel it easier than any other T10 battleship...provided you know where to shoot. The Yamato was the most terrifying battleship to ever sail the seas. It was more heavily armored than any battleship in existence putting it in the game with what is effectively a glass jaw is just wrong. Fix that and let Yamato be the monster she was always intended to be. 

Sorry they did not give you your god mode button. Maybe next time. The legendary module makes her very accurate and she already had insane main guns. Taking away any week spot would make her just way to OP!

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Oh dear, I've seemed to have dropped this picture of how effective the armor of a Yamato Class was against the guns of an Iowa Class. How irresponsible. 

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4 minutes ago, Belthorian said:

Didn't she sink the escort carrier USS Gambier Bay? The admiral or captain in charge of two Iowa class battleships was offered the opportunity to engage the Yamato but he declined and said sink it with aircraft. 

Regarding the second part, Spruance wanted to engaged Yamato with battleships but Mitscher launched his aircraft for a full attack, and then told Spruance that he did it basically forcing Spruance's hand.

As for Yamato's weakness, I think its fine. Yamato is still the best BB at holding a position if her flank are secure.

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2 minutes ago, KingCakeBaby said:

Oh dear, I've seemed to have dropped this picture of how effective the armor of a Yamato Class was against the guns of an Iowa Class. How irresponsible. 

14671292_1145660795482184_8806855274467525540_n.jpg

That was also point blank range.....

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3 minutes ago, KingCakeBaby said:

Oh dear, I've seemed to have dropped this picture of how effective the armor of a Yamato Class was against the guns of an Iowa Class. How irresponsible. 

14671292_1145660795482184_8806855274467525540_n.jpg

good thing that was a test,done in ideal conditions,not wartime conditions. 

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