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I know all of you already know this....Unlike Musashi's sister Yamato, Musashi AA really really really suck! especially for a T9.  i usually like to have my upper tier BB built with with secondaries that make a hell of a deliverance in a brawl.  but with more and more CV being played...(prob cause of the CV rework)...Musashi is one big [edited]target for CVs...basically cause EVERYONE knows how crapher AAs are!  

When i first got Musashi i built up her Secondares...because that how i wanted my BBs to be, but after playing a few games...in her...its the flies that were more of an annoyance than the tiny torp rat boats or any other boat for that matter!!! 

then i said enough is enough...!!! :Smile_izmena:

i switched my mod builds to beef up Musashi's AAs, as well as the Capt Skill to increase AA performance(but need a 19pt capt to fully make a diff.) 

this is what i done to her...as of last night...

Capt skills: PM, AR, EM, BFT ( only have a 10pt capt ATM)...but will get AFT, & MFCAAA.

Upgrades: AA1, AA2, AA3.  sacrifice Main guns and Secondaries upgrade, so my Main and 2nds will have to make do with stock mods. 

with this set up my AA's rating went from 50 to 70-75(i think)...it may go higher when i add Capt skill AFT & MFCAAA to it.  

so, then i go back into game after changing(tested it in coop)...and sure enough it got games with every Top Tier CV in the game...Shokaku, Taiho, Hakuryu, Lexington, Enterprise, Essex, Midway...and that messed up German one too...Zippline... :Smile_amazed: i think thats what her name.  as soon as i was spotted ...all them planes came to me...and as always no CA or AA support from other ships...me all me lonesome on the flank.  :Smile_sceptic: 

swarm after swams of planes...before i was lucky enough to shot down 1 plane the whole game...now at so far most in one game 14-15!  but still i'm  have to focus on alll them planes and dodge trops.  i'm not even paying any attention to enemy ships that are shooting at me.  good thing i got game with friendly Yamato or other BBs that can take care them surface ships while im fighting of them damn flies.  

anyone got any ideas how to beef up Musashi's AA's before i send her out in to the wolves (Randoms)?  :Smile_honoring:

 

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5 minutes ago, Shinnidan said:

 

anyone got any ideas how to beef up Musashi's AA's before i send her out in to the wolves (Randoms)?  :Smile_honoring:

 

To quote Frankie Boyle, putting AFT and other AA improvers on Musashi is like "putting 26inch rims on a [edited] wheelie bin." Just be happy with really dumb armor, lolpen guns, and squishing T7.

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You should definitely get AFT for that, but I would not recommend MFCAA, unless you really, really hate planes more than anything else.  You will have to click on the individual flights to get any benefit, which can really distract from your main focus, which should be blapping other ships.

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Screenshot of me playing my Musashi, hiding behind and island. Praying no one surprises me from the side or above. 

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Welcome to World of Warships Carriers (and their prey). I keep watching the videos and it looks like great fun if you are flying the planes. Its a low-risk, high-rewards playstyle unlike most other ships that generally have high-risks to have high-rewards. Even the rock-hiders require the victims to blunder into and stay in their trap. CVs can chase them anywhere. Once they get the CV ship control glitches worked out, why not play a CV?

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11 minutes ago, Shinnidan said:

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I know all of you already know this....Unlike Musashi's sister Yamato, Musashi AA really really really suck! especially for a T9.  i usually like to have my upper tier BB built with with secondaries that make a hell of a deliverance in a brawl.  but with more and more CV being played...(prob cause of the CV rework)...Musashi is one big [edited]target for CVs...basically cause EVERYONE knows how crapher AAs are!  

When i first got Musashi i built up her Secondares...because that how i wanted my BBs to be, but after playing a few games...in her...its the flies that were more of an annoyance than the tiny torp rat boats or any other boat for that matter!!! 

then i said enough is enough...!!! :Smile_izmena:

i switched my mod builds to beef up Musashi's AAs, as well as the Capt Skill to increase AA performance(but need a 19pt capt to fully make a diff.) 

this is what i done to her...as of last night...

Capt skills: PM, AR, EM, BFT ( only have a 10pt capt ATM)...but will get AFT, & MFCAAA.

Upgrades: AA1, AA2, AA3.  sacrifice Main guns and Secondaries upgrade, so my Main and 2nds will have to make do with stock mods. 

with this set up my AA's rating went from 50 to 70-75(i think)...it may go higher when i add Capt skill AFT & MFCAAA to it.  

so, then i go back into game after changing(tested it in coop)...and sure enough it got games with every Top Tier CV in the game...Shokaku, Taiho, Hakuryu, Lexington, Enterprise, Essex, Midway...and that messed up German one too...Zippline... :Smile_amazed: i think thats what her name.  as soon as i was spotted ...all them planes came to me...and as always no CA or AA support from other ships...me all me lonesome on the flank.  :Smile_sceptic: 

swarm after swams of planes...before i was lucky enough to shot down 1 plane the whole game...now at so far most in one game 14-15!  but still i'm  have to focus on alll them planes and dodge trops.  i'm not even paying any attention to enemy ships that are shooting at me.  good thing i got game with friendly Yamato or other BBs that can take care them surface ships while im fighting of them damn flies.  

anyone got any ideas how to beef up Musashi's AA's before i send her out in to the wolves (Randoms)?  :Smile_honoring:

 

Find any US cruiser or a Mino and become buddies. Stay within their AA bubble.

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4 minutes ago, DreadRaybo said:

You should definitely get AFT for that, but I would not recommend MFCAA, unless you really, really hate planes more than anything else.  You will have to click on the individual flights to get any benefit, which can really distract from your main focus, which should be blapping other ships.

well in Musashi...it annoying that you get every single flight going after you...that you i loose focuse on ships i can fire at.  may be not MFCAAA...but at least want to have peace of mind knowing that when planes come at me i don't have to worry as much that some of them will die...

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Just now, Vaffu said:

Find any US cruiser or a Mino and become buddies. Stay within their AA bubble.

Not that I shed a lot of tears for a Musashi getting picked on, the cruiser will likely have to cooperate to keep you in the bubble. Speed and maneuverability and needing to find a rock to hide behind are way bigger priorities than keeping the Mushi covered.

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2 minutes ago, Vaffu said:

Find any US cruiser or a Mino and become buddies. Stay within their AA bubble.

sometimes easier said than done...

know what i know about how people play in Random games...most like to go off on their own...and from the back starting line of the game...hard to catch up to them faster CA ...

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Just now, Sabot_100 said:

Not that I shed a lot of tears for a Musashi getting picked on, the cruiser will likely have to cooperate to keep you in the bubble. Speed and maneuverability and needing to find a rock to hide behind are way bigger priorities than keeping the Mushi covered.

starting to sound line Mumu...need to be babysat a lot more than giving spankings...lol 

 

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Just now, Shinnidan said:

sometimes easier said than done...

know what i know about how people play in Random games...most like to go off on their own...and from the back starting line of the game...hard to catch up to them faster CA ...

Mino would be a bit hard for you to keep up but US cruisers usually are snuggling up to an island somewhere that would offer you a way to be in the bubble.

Not saying it is foolproof just saying it is a viable option.

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1 minute ago, Shinnidan said:

well in Musashi...it annoying that you get every single flight going after you...that you i loose focuse on ships i can fire at.  may be not MFCAAA...but at least want to have peace of mind knowing that when planes come at me i don't have to worry as much that some of them will die...

Yes, and AFT increases your AA bubble, which gives you more time to do damage and bring down more planes.

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7 minutes ago, Sabot_100 said:

Welcome to World of Warships Carriers (and their prey). I keep watching the videos and it looks like great fun if you are flying the planes. Its a low-risk, high-rewards playstyle unlike most other ships that generally have high-risks to have high-rewards. Even the rock-hiders require the victims to blunder into and stay in their trap. CVs can chase them anywhere. Once they get the CV ship control glitches worked out, why not play a CV?

i do play CVs:Smile_honoring:

but not my first choice of game play...but i do play CVs just so i know the dynamics of all the ships in the game.  

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Assuming the following.... CV's become much more popular with the upcoming changes.....And, The Musashi's AA stays as poor as it is. This ol girl may become the worst free xp ship/premium in the game.

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>Musashi

>glutton for Arial punishment

Let's use Comic Sans then!!

 

Anyways, Musashi's poor AA is a balancing point to have a T9 Yamato. Stay near friendly cruisers with good AA and you're good to go.

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5 minutes ago, APA_204 said:

Assuming the following.... CV's become much more popular with the upcoming changes.....And, The Musashi's AA stays as poor as it is. This ol girl may become the worst free xp ship/premium in the game.

yeah ...heres to Hoping... ^_^ lol 

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27 minutes ago, Shinnidan said:

:Smile_hiding:

I know all of you already know this....Unlike Musashi's sister Yamato, Musashi AA really really really suck! especially for a T9.  i usually like to have my upper tier BB built with with secondaries that make a hell of a deliverance in a brawl.  but with more and more CV being played...(prob cause of the CV rework)...Musashi is one big [edited]target for CVs...basically cause EVERYONE knows how crapher AAs are!  

When i first got Musashi i built up her Secondares...because that how i wanted my BBs to be, but after playing a few games...in her...its the flies that were more of an annoyance than the tiny torp rat boats or any other boat for that matter!!! 

then i said enough is enough...!!! :Smile_izmena:

i switched my mod builds to beef up Musashi's AAs, as well as the Capt Skill to increase AA performance(but need a 19pt capt to fully make a diff.) 

this is what i done to her...as of last night...

Capt skills: PM, AR, EM, BFT ( only have a 10pt capt ATM)...but will get AFT, & MFCAAA.

Upgrades: AA1, AA2, AA3.  sacrifice Main guns and Secondaries upgrade, so my Main and 2nds will have to make do with stock mods. 

with this set up my AA's rating went from 50 to 70-75(i think)...it may go higher when i add Capt skill AFT & MFCAAA to it.  

so, then i go back into game after changing(tested it in coop)...and sure enough it got games with every Top Tier CV in the game...Shokaku, Taiho, Hakuryu, Lexington, Enterprise, Essex, Midway...and that messed up German one too...Zippline... :Smile_amazed: i think thats what her name.  as soon as i was spotted ...all them planes came to me...and as always no CA or AA support from other ships...me all me lonesome on the flank.  :Smile_sceptic: 

swarm after swams of planes...before i was lucky enough to shot down 1 plane the whole game...now at so far most in one game 14-15!  but still i'm  have to focus on alll them planes and dodge trops.  i'm not even paying any attention to enemy ships that are shooting at me.  good thing i got game with friendly Yamato or other BBs that can take care them surface ships while im fighting of them damn flies.  

anyone got any ideas how to beef up Musashi's AA's before i send her out in to the wolves (Randoms)?  :Smile_honoring:

 

It ain't happening, secondary build with this ship is a WASTE ...

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I actually like Musashi even up-tiered. I rarely get torped by CVs because I tend not to camp in one place. I keep moving.  Those times I do have to camp (because turning would show broadside to too many BBs, I cross my fingers those planes don't spot an easy target

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Just now, swifttex1 said:

It ain't happening, secondary build with this ship is a WASTE ...

i like secondary builds for my BBs....but realized that when all them planes were diving after me...and AAs are practically non-existent  lol :Smile_izmena:

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1 minute ago, Shinnidan said:

but not my first choice of game play...but i do play CVs just so i know the dynamics of all the ships in the game.  

I was looking at the changes (WIP) that are even now driving the resurgence in CV play:Smile_sceptic: Could even be lured to the dark side (they have cookies!) but see it as bad for the game overall.

Had a game the other day in Alsace (still grinding so no hull upgrade yet). Trying to support a CL and DD pushing a flank. Then the waves of aircraft show up so I spend much of the rest of the game dodging (and not dodging) torps and bombs. Offensively useless. Can't cruise in straight line long enough to get to AA help. CV is playing the try to get permanent flooding game by cycling DB and TB. Holding off on attacks. Since the Alsace does have decent AA, did shoot down 27, and I manage to survive (used all the heals) and the CV is eventually forced to target more immediate threats to him.  Very little damage done that game. Very fun and engaging. A Musashi wouldn't have stood a chance.

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13 minutes ago, APA_204 said:

Assuming the following.... CV's become much more popular with the upcoming changes.....And, The Musashi's AA stays as poor as it is. This ol girl may become the worst free xp ship/premium in the game.

Is Kronstadt that much better? (though it is faster and more maneuverable)

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3 minutes ago, Sabot_100 said:

Is Kronstadt that much better? (though it is faster and more maneuverable)

It at least has defensive fire, moves faster'ish….

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23 minutes ago, Shinnidan said:

:Smile_hiding:

I know all of you already know this....Unlike Musashi's sister Yamato, Musashi AA really really really suck! especially for a T9.  i usually like to have my upper tier BB built with with secondaries that make a hell of a deliverance in a brawl.  but with more and more CV being played...(prob cause of the CV rework)...Musashi is one big [edited]target for CVs...basically cause EVERYONE knows how crapher AAs are!  

When i first got Musashi i built up her Secondares...because that how i wanted my BBs to be, but after playing a few games...in her...its the flies that were more of an annoyance than the tiny torp rat boats or any other boat for that matter!!! 

then i said enough is enough...!!! :Smile_izmena:

i switched my mod builds to beef up Musashi's AAs, as well as the Capt Skill to increase AA performance(but need a 19pt capt to fully make a diff.) 

this is what i done to her...as of last night...

Capt skills: PM, AR, EM, BFT ( only have a 10pt capt ATM)...but will get AFT, & MFCAAA.

Upgrades: AA1, AA2, AA3.  sacrifice Main guns and Secondaries upgrade, so my Main and 2nds will have to make do with stock mods. 

with this set up my AA's rating went from 50 to 70-75(i think)...it may go higher when i add Capt skill AFT & MFCAAA to it.  

so, then i go back into game after changing(tested it in coop)...and sure enough it got games with every Top Tier CV in the game...Shokaku, Taiho, Hakuryu, Lexington, Enterprise, Essex, Midway...and that messed up German one too...Zippline... :Smile_amazed: i think thats what her name.  as soon as i was spotted ...all them planes came to me...and as always no CA or AA support from other ships...me all me lonesome on the flank.  :Smile_sceptic: 

swarm after swams of planes...before i was lucky enough to shot down 1 plane the whole game...now at so far most in one game 14-15!  but still i'm  have to focus on alll them planes and dodge trops.  i'm not even paying any attention to enemy ships that are shooting at me.  good thing i got game with friendly Yamato or other BBs that can take care them surface ships while im fighting of them damn flies.  

anyone got any ideas how to beef up Musashi's AA's before i send her out in to the wolves (Randoms)?  :Smile_honoring:

 

There is a fun way to teach the CVs a lesson, Division withsome AA ships, like maybe a good AA CA. Stash it behind an island near your position and then after you have fire fire 18.1’ guns a few times at the enemy CV will likely get all excited that a Musashi “ Floating Mountain of Free HP for CV Bombers” and they will likely send in the Bombers. Then your escort or escorts do their thing and ambush the planes and enemy CV might try again once more before giving up on the idea or simply leave you alone as lone as your escorts live.

Another option that sounds insane, but if you have a friend that is good with Air Superiority load out with a CV they can intercept or do the ambush for you. I know this works because I have played CVs enough and while I am the first to admit that I am not a Unicom CV player like @Femennenly who could clear the skies and the surface of attackers with out you lol. I do at least know what I am doing and honestly seem to be ok at CV or maybe good, but just not excellent. So CV fighter squadrons can protect you, and if you Division with a tier 8 CV player then the enemy CV will be tier 8 and your Musashi AA will work slightly better than it would against 9 or 10 CVs.

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2 minutes ago, Sabot_100 said:

I was looking at the changes (WIP) that are even now driving the resurgence in CV play:Smile_sceptic: Could even be lured to the dark side (they have cookies!) but see it as bad for the game overall.

Had a game the other day in Alsace (still grinding so no hull upgrade yet). Trying to support a CL and DD pushing a flank. Then the waves of aircraft show up so I spend much of the rest of the game dodging (and not dodging) torps and bombs. Offensively useless. Can't cruise in straight line long enough to get to AA help. CV is playing the try to get permanent flooding game by cycling DB and TB. Holding off on attacks. Since the Alsace does have decent AA, did shoot down 27, and I manage to survive (used all the heals) and the CV is eventually forced to target more immediate threats to him.  Very little damage done that game. Very fun and engaging. A Musashi wouldn't have stood a chance.

lol..the dark side... :Smile_veryhappy:

you see thats what i'm saying...i know Alsace has pretty good AAs and if shes having a hard time being pre-occupied by them files...you right what chance will Mumu have...most likely zero with no modifications.  

we all recognize the weaknesses in the ship we choose to play...and the challenge is to close that gap of the weakness to balance your ship combat effectiveness.  as Musashi stands as is...she is combat ineffective...against planes .....better of sending her home...

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7 minutes ago, Sabot_100 said:

Is Kronstadt that much better? (though it is faster and more maneuverable)

i don't know ...i dont have Kronsos...you tell me? :Smile_amazed:

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