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Whenever I play CV, I consistently get sunk midway through the game by a mob who managed to slip past my team. No, I'm not in the middle of the map. I find the farthest corner and sit there. Yet they always find me and sink me. I'm not talking about a lone destroyer or even two. I've been sunk by plenty of Cruisers and Battleships. I'm not trying to rage. Just venting a little. Please just keep an eye on your minimap and if you see the enemy getting close to your CV, head over and help out.

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3 minutes ago, CTMAADawson said:

Whenever I play CV, I consistently get sunk midway through the game by a mob who managed to slip past my team. No, I'm not in the middle of the map. I find the farthest corner and sit there. Yet they always find me and sink me. I'm not talking about a lone destroyer or even two. I've been sunk by plenty of Cruisers and Battleships. I'm not trying to rage. Just venting a little. Please just keep an eye on your minimap and if you see the enemy getting close to your CV, head over and help out.

PSA, if you are in CV, don't camp in a corner. This is a big mistake for a CV.

Keep moving, you have an engine and a rudder. If we are caught by enemy ships (it happens to all of us who drive a cv) it is because we lost situational awareness.

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Any CV that lacks map awareness to move with the team is not worth protecting, in my experience.

I often find myself telling CVs to move based on how gameflow is playing out and unsurprisingly, nearly always that CV doesn't and isn't really effective.

C'est la vie I guess.

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PSA, Don't play CVs if you don't know how to play  CVs. 

 

Trust me I can confirm as I don't know how to play CVs, and the last time I tried I kamakaze got me and I was wondering the same thing you were OP, then I realized I was bad and it was my fault. 

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Stay with the group: Get spotted and sunk by Battleships
Stay behind: Get sunk by destroyers and crusiers
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35 minutes ago, LoveBote said:

PSA, if you are in CV, don't camp in a corner. This is a big mistake for a CV.

Keep moving, you have an engine and a rudder. If we are caught by enemy ships (it happens to all of us who drive a cv) it is because we lost situational awareness.

At low tiers where CVs are slow and maps small, hiding in corners makes a little more sense.  But when maps start increasing in size and carriers start having decent speed, you should definitely keep moving.  Not only that, but the carrier should be hiding on the same side of the map as the majority of his team.  About the dumbest thing a CV can do is go the other way, away from the bulk of his team and have very little between himself and the enemy.

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11 minutes ago, CTMAADawson said:

Stay with the group: Get spotted and sunk by Battleships
Stay behind: Get sunk by destroyers and crusiers
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this is where, as with any ship in WOWS, knowledge of concealment and spotting ability of ships and aircraft, is important for your survival. All ships in WOWS spend their time, playing rock paper scissors with concealment, a cv is no exception.

Not only does it help for you to be aware of your own concealment, but also of the average concealment of dds, cruisers and bbs. And also of the universal spotting distances of aircraft. No need to be a walking enclopedia for this!

 

 

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18 minutes ago, CTMAADawson said:

Stay with the group: Get spotted and sunk by Battleships
Stay behind: Get sunk by destroyers and crusiers
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Pretty much.

Though I have seen effective CV drivers with a huge pair of brass ones; parked behind some island IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP; and raising nine kinds of Hell because they can cycle their planes so fast.

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Much as yes, a CV should always be moving, for any number of reasons, OP isn't entirely wrong cause there are scenarios that are issues, namely when the team does say "A,C", and the red team just goes straight through B. Had that happen where my fighters and planes were engaged, as I followed the team toward A, next thing I know a hug chunk of HP vanishes cause a damn Scharnhorst has decloaked and my ranger has no place to run or go by that point, and no one on the team even TRIED to shoot at it - then yell at me where is the air cover after I'm sunk and go "oh". That doesn't account for teams that leave CV's like Bogue that are too damn slow behind to fend for themselves, At which point, it's screwed once something gets near it. There are  times it's not the CV not doing what they need to, it's the team playing camper till the red team can see the CV, leaving a huge gap that even a BB can get through undetected, let alone a DD, or running faster in one direction than the CV can go. 

CV's rely on the team to help protect them, and to protect themselves, as much as the team relies on the CV to protect them, and themselves. Few matches I play are about the better CV player, most are decided by the teams keeping the CV alive, and sticking together to make it harder for the red CV to attack. Y'know, that whole OP teamwork thing.

 

10 minutes ago, Crucis said:

he carrier should be hiding on the same side of the map as the majority of his team.

Really, either direction is a coin flip. I've followed 8 ships, opposed by only 4, and suddenly found myself running the other way because suddenly it's gone from 8v5 to 2v3. Doesn't matter how many ships are near the CV they fold faster than a house of cards, in a tornado, in a hurricane, during a earthquake, as a Tsunami strikes, while a meteor hits.

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You have to move as the situation dictates.

More importantly, if you are going to the furthest corner, you are increasing the delay between rearming/reequipping and getting your planes back on station. Transit time is a thing and increasing that delay generally puts you at a distinct disadvantage.

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17 minutes ago, CTMAADawson said:

Stay with the group: Get spotted and sunk by Battleships
Stay behind: Get sunk by destroyers and crusiers
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Nobody is saying stay with the group as they cap, etc.  They are saying don't be that CV that beaches behind an island (or parks in a corner) expecting an escort.

First thing I do is set an autopilot course in my CV.  Keep in a position where you can cover your team and they can cover you.

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10 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Pretty much.

Though I have seen effective CV drivers with a huge pair of brass ones; parked behind some island IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP; and raising nine kinds of Hell because they can cycle their planes so fast.

I've seen that too go sideways as well. A red CV did that once on Two Brothers when Cleve was T6 and I had manual AA skill & AFT parked on the other side in range. Unfortunately for him I was shooting down his planes almost as fast as they launched.

Those were good times. Never thought I'd  miss Cleve at T6.

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1 hour ago, CTMAADawson said:

Whenever I play CV, I consistently get sunk midway through the game by a mob who managed to slip past my team. No, I'm not in the middle of the map. I find the farthest corner and sit there. Yet they always find me and sink me. I'm not talking about a lone destroyer or even two. I've been sunk by plenty of Cruisers and Battleships. I'm not trying to rage. Just venting a little. Please just keep an eye on your minimap and if you see the enemy getting close to your CV, head over and help out.

I sure as heck ain't protecting a coward who huddled in the corner.  If you want to run away from your own team, that's your business, but don't expect help in the middle of nowhere.  In fact, if your picking on the enemy units while hiding at the back, you're absolutely fair game for anyone that wants payback.

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A CV should be able to protect itself. DON'T SIT IN A CORNER! Move up and maintain map awareness (you can spot the whole map so that should be easy).

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49 minutes ago, CTMAADawson said:

Stay with the group: Get spotted and sunk by Battleships
Stay behind: Get sunk by destroyers and crusiers
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Looks like you're ready to put your big boy pants on and enter the world of Tier 6+ carriers where manual drops and strafing are big obstacles. 

The guys in here aren't saying necessarily to stick with the fleet- but do stay behind it so they can screen for you. Some real good players with high skill captains who can take concealment expert do move very far forward with the team... most will generally tend to stay in the third row- not in the bleachers but not hugging it out with their BBs either. 

My suggestion to you is get your carrier moving in the general direction of the bulk of your fleet... Usually it's AB or BC... if it's AC then pick the side with the most ships. Doesn't matter what side you start on... you want to be heading to the side least likely to collapse. Independence is pretty visible but also has a good amount of speed- unlike the Bogue. I'll generally just set my first 4-5 waypoints so that it takes me all the way east, then west... then back again. Sometimes when there are obvious islands I'll try to set my waypoints up so that I end up behind the island but pointing towards the escape route... 

Make sure your minimap is as big as you can make it on your screen for the CV play as well... and check up on it frequently. Lose a ship? Check the minimap and see where. Reference your proximity to the side that just lost a ship and adjust your waypoints if necessary. Did your side just sink a ship? Check where it is... does it mean your team is flanking on that side? Maybe start moving up with them... Haven't seen that 3rd DD for awhile? Send your aircraft over any open space between his last seen indicator and your carrier. 

Getting ready to attack a ship? Where are your fighters? Where are HIS fighters? Quite often I'll try and ambush enemy fighters when I see his attack aircraft are setting up on a ship.

Anyway- you appear to understand the general gameplay for carriers and your stats are reasonable... though many people really don't figure out where they stand in CVs until tier 6. You've got a good start on it... so keep it up. 

100% of the time I'm being ambushed when in a CV is when I've been focused on my planes and lost track of the minimap. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Wye_So_Serious said:

I've seen that too go sideways as well. A red CV did that once on Two Brothers when Cleve was T6 and I had manual AA skill & AFT parked on the other side in range. Unfortunately for him I was shooting down his planes almost as fast as they launched.

Those were good times. Never thought I'd  miss Cleve at T6.

There is that risk.

A mildly recent surprise i had in that respect was shooting down 15 planes in a New York... Had to check and make sure I wasn’t in my Texas.

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A CV player needs to read the mini map and needs to be moving at all times even if 1/4 speed. It's been irritating to see CV's just sitting like bump on logs and then expect somebody to save them. I recommend getting RDF as a CO skill. If it says there's a ship where the mini map is black, send a  squadron to check it out.

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1 hour ago, CTMAADawson said:

No, I'm not in the middle of the map. I find the farthest corner and sit there

Well, there is your problem right there.

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10 minutes ago, vak_ said:

Well, there is your problem right there.

Agreed. Literally THE worst place to be if not a close second to YOLOing up the middle and dying without launching a plane. 

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last cv game i played i autopiloted into the off cap then chased torpped an spotted everything near that cap and i ended up capping it with 2 kills and 30k damage. But i hate cv and only have less than 10 games in them

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I am a very good CV player, and I try to keep the majority of my team between me and the other team. This means constant movement. I have seen many enemy ships push through my team's weak side into my spawn zone looking for me when I am a third of the way around the map behind my strong side. That said, there are a few times my team really dropped the ball. Twice I can remember, once on Solomon Islands and another on Fault Line, my team ignored B to the point a fast DD shot through and got me. On another occasion, my team split near evenly between all three caps, the one I didn't cover collapsed, and the enemy team caught me because I had to spend half my attention dodging friendly torpedoes from a salty disgruntled DD captain that led them right to me. My personal favorite was the time 8 of my team members disintgrated in front of me to only four enemy ships that I couldn't run away from fast enough. Sometimes bad things just happen.

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Don't corner camp. 
Move with the fleet, stay just back enough to not be detected but as a CV captain, you need to be VERY aware of your surrounding while you're doing strikes. 

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