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First of all kudos to WG. They have listened to the outcry over WV, and have made a very sensible compromise by renaming the current ship WV'41, and promising a late war WV'44 later.

But now that the genie is out of the bottle, and the precedent of selling the same ship from different time periods has been set, I'd like to draw your attention to this ship:

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Mutsu was a ship which had been requested very early on, and always turned up on 'what ship you want to see' threads. I am very confident however in saying that IJN BB fans hoping for Mutsu were wanting the 1943 final form, and NOT a regurgitated old Nagato A hull. Unfortunately there wasn't enough rioting for WG to give a crap and recycled goods is what we got.

Unsurprisingly this lazy cashgrab was poorly received, and though I don't have sales figures I'd bet it sold badly. Seeing another player in a Mutsu is like spotting Big Foot. On WoWS Stats and numbers Mutsu has a lifetime battle count of 128,339 on the NA server. Normandie, the ship with the second lowest battle count dwarfs this with 410,308. I think it's safe to say that this unwanted ship is a failure.

But WG has a chance to revisit Mutsu now, thanks to the precedent set by WV. 

Go on Wargaming. Give the IJN BB fans the tier 7 1943 Mutsu they actually wanted. It wouldn't even be too much work since it'd be a fully upgraded Nagato with even worse AA and some tweaks here and there. Keep the current Mutsu as it is and maybe rename it to Mutsu 1925 or something, then create a new Mutsu 1943. It'd sell like hotcakes, I predict far better than the current Mutsu. WG gets our money, fans get the Mutsu they actually wanted, and everyone is happy.

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I think there are way too many unique ships (and nations) not in this game yet that could be introduced before offering a second variant on a ship already in the game.

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7 minutes ago, Lert said:

I think there are way too many unique ships (and nations) not in this game yet that could be introduced before offering a second variant on a ship already in the game.

I would not say that Ashitaka and Kii were particularly unique and interesting ships for the IJN. One of them bombed even harder than Mutsu. Also there is Musashi.:Smile_teethhappy:

I'm not saying that Mutsu 1943 should be immediate, but imho WG needs to seriously consider this option for some time in the future.

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29 minutes ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

I would not say that Ashitaka and Kii were particularly unique and interesting ships for the IJN. One of them bombed even harder than Mutsu. Also there is Musashi.:Smile_teethhappy:

I'm not saying that Mutsu 1943 should be immediate, but imho WG needs to seriously consider this option for some time in the future.

Ashitaka is both unique and tons of fun mate. 

 

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50 minutes ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

I would not say that Ashitaka and Kii were particularly unique and interesting ships for the IJN. One of them bombed even harder than Mutsu. Also there is Musashi.:Smile_teethhappy:

I'm not saying that Mutsu 1943 should be immediate, but imho WG needs to seriously consider this option for some time in the future.

The issue with the Ashitaka/Mutsu debate is that the pure reason WG released them was because they could easily reuse the assets. Very little if any resources were devoted to them no doubt.

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I want my Hyuga

 

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    Didn't Mutsu explode in 1943? I think you can technically get that in game already if you want it. :)

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If they did that it would be nice if current mutsu owners could have the option of upgrading at a discount.

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See, I called this sh*t from a mile away.  I said as soon as you do a dated ship people will want all kinds of diff versions of ships we already have and we didnt even make it 24-48 hours after I said it.   While I would have loved a Nagato clone we got Mutsu T6 and that was their one chance in my book.   We do not need a premium for every refit a ship ever received, so no we do not need another Mutsu.   The only ship Id even remotely consider this for is the Musashi at T10 as a secondary built ship based on 100mm high pen HE like the new line of IJN DD with significantly reduced gun sigma down to like 1.7 or 1.8 and not as a premium but as a second IJN BB lines top ship.

 

For now I say no to this idea, told them this would be a can of worms.

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1 hour ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

First of all kudos to WG. They have listened to the outcry over WV, and have made a very sensible compromise by renaming the current ship WV'41, and promising a late war WV'44 later.

But now that the genie is out of the bottle, and the precedent of selling the same ship from different time periods has been set, I'd like to draw your attention to this ship:

NPCMQbr.jpg

Mutsu was a ship which had been requested very early on, and always turned up on 'what ship you want to see' threads. I am very confident however in saying that IJN BB fans hoping for Mutsu were wanting the 1943 final form, and NOT a regurgitated old Nagato A hull. Unfortunately there wasn't enough rioting for WG to give a crap and recycled goods is what we got.

Unsurprisingly this lazy cashgrab was poorly received, and though I don't have sales figures I'd bet it sold badly. Seeing another player in a Mutsu is like spotting Big Foot. On WoWS Stats and numbers Mutsu has a lifetime battle count of 128,339 on the NA server. Normandie, the ship with the second lowest battle count dwarfs this with 410,308. I think it's safe to say that this unwanted ship is a failure.

But WG has a chance to revisit Mutsu now, thanks to the precedent set by WV. 

Go on Wargaming. Give the IJN BB fans the tier 7 1943 Mutsu they actually wanted. It wouldn't even be too much work since it'd be a fully upgraded Nagato with even worse AA and some tweaks here and there. Keep the current Mutsu as it is and maybe rename it to Mutsu 1925 or something, then create a new Mutsu 1943. It'd sell like hotcakes, I predict far better than the current Mutsu. WG gets our money, fans get the Mutsu they actually wanted, and everyone is happy.

What’s the advantage of a Mutsu over Nagato?

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1 hour ago, Lert said:

I think there are way too many unique ships (and nations) not in this game yet that could be introduced before offering a second variant on a ship already in the game.

This, I am still hoping that they walk back the stupidity of West Virginia 41 and rename it Maryland

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59 minutes ago, TheDreadnought said:

What’s the advantage of a Mutsu over Nagato?

I think it'd be the Hipper/Eugen situation again where soft stats would need to be tweaked. My understanding was that they were about the same up until the point Mutsu blew up.

The main difference would be that Mutsu never received the late war AA refits other IJN ships that made it that far got. Nagato's AA is already nothing much, so I think a hypothetical Mutsu 1943 would be abysmal at shooting down planes.

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1 hour ago, crzyhawk said:

This, I am still hoping that they walk back the stupidity of West Virginia 41 and rename it Maryland

They do a lot of goofy stuff, for reasons known but to God. Still, I give them credit for trying.

I always wondered why they modeled Lexington as Saratoga. The Lady Lex did have her original 8" mounts replaced with 5"38's before the Coral Sea battle but retained the heavy tripod foremast missing from the late-war Sara Maru. Who knows?

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What genie out of a bottle...?

We have Lo Yang and Nueve de Julio already in game which are just later variants of Benson and Boise. 

People think this is new, but we have had the same ship in the game multiple times for years now and no one seemed to care until now... 

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47 minutes ago, So_lt_Goes said:

They do a lot of goofy stuff, for reasons known but to God. Still, I give them credit for trying.

I always wondered why they modeled Lexington as Saratoga. The Lady Lex did have her original 8" mounts replaced with 5"38's before the Coral Sea battle but retained the heavy tripod foremast missing from the late-war Sara Maru. Who knows?

The tech tree ships are named after their class or lead ship of the class but are patterned off of different ships in the class depending on how they want to portray it. 

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3 hours ago, Lert said:

I think there are way too many unique ships (and nations) not in this game yet that could be introduced before offering a second variant on a ship already in the game.

perfectly applicable to discussion of West Virginia.

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2 hours ago, TheDreadnought said:

What’s the advantage of a Mutsu over Nagato?

A T7 Mutsu could slot captains without retraining while preserving Nagato's play style.

 

EDIT: So, anonymous negative Nancy, what exactly is "bad" about the fundamental benefit any premium has over a tech tree ship of the same class?

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13 minutes ago, Ducky_shot said:

We have Lo Yang and Nueve de Julio already in game which are just later variants of Benson and Boise. 

We also have Makarov, which is Nürnberg but post-war and we have Krasny Krim which is Svietlana herself.

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25 minutes ago, Ducky_shot said:

People think this is new, but we have had the same ship in the game multiple times for years now and no one seemed to care until now... 

    There was a lot of rumbling about the resale of A hulls on the Japanese line, TBH. But yeah it has been in game and the game does run on money.

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25 minutes ago, Ducky_shot said:

People think this is new, but we have had the same ship in the game multiple times for years now and no one seemed to care until now... 

It started before the game was ever released, back in CBT, with the Omaha clone Murmansk, and then the Omaha clone Marblehead. So all this drama about something "NEW" that isn't really new also isn't really needed.

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I'd really like to see the USS Constellation in action brohans tell me what you think about that idea thanks for reading.

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28 minutes ago, KiyoSenkan said:

A T7 Mutsu could slot captains without retraining while preserving Nagato's play style.

 

So, anonymous negative Nancy, what exactly is "bad" about the fundamental benefit any premium has over a tech tree ship of the same class?

Retracted.

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2 minutes ago, TheDreadnought said:

So inferring idiot. 

I didn't say anything was "bad" about it.  I actually just had a question as to whether there were significant design differences between the existing Nagato, and the proposed Tier 7 Mutsu.  Sounds like there aren't.

Curiosity, that was all.  But you had to be a [edited] about it.

The second line is referring to the "Bad" votes that my post received, not you specifically. I guess that wasn't clear and I'm sorry about that.

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1 minute ago, KiyoSenkan said:

The second line is referring to the "Bad" votes that my post received, not you specifically.

Ahhh. .  ok.  That could have been more clear.  My bad though.

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