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Submarines in WOWS--It is an interesting concept.  A few points to consider:

1.  NEW Game engine--Macwrapper from Code Weavers will have to do a new wrapper for subs.  They already are probably working on one for the new CV play.  I wonder if the WOWs Halloween game will even play in October 2018 ?

2.  Subs of WW2 vintage did around 25 knots on the surface.  WW1 did 18 knots on the surface.  Speed will drop to 8 knots or so submerged (this may not be an issue with the Oxygen meter).  Depending on how long you are underwater, a sub may have to fire quickly before surfacing.  There will be no Irwin Allen Seaviews or 1990s vintage SeaQuest DSV subs in the game doing 30 or more knots underwater.  The vessels will be SLOW

3.  DDs are getting overtaxed as the main sub hunter.  CAs had provisions for subs. You can see the equipment on the Tier 3 Aurora.   So does (yes) the Tier 1 sloops.  Note that they have depth charge deployment devices on them.  While any of these ships have a role in sub chasing ?

4.  CV aircraft did a fair amount of sub chasing (as well as the Zeppelins of WW2 US Navy).  What role would they have ?

5.  While the German U-Boats fired fore and aft torpedoes, the American "O" and "S" classes, if memory serves correct, fired only from the BOW in WW1 and later.

I will give WOWS credit for thinking of all the Gamers who have asked for submarines.  It will be the hardest ship class to put in if they proceed.  It would be a programmer's nightmare given all the changes needed to get submarines to work right.

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Just now, Astrosaint said:

Submarines in WOWS--It is an interesting concept.  A few points to consider:

1.  NEW Game engine--Macwrapper from Code Weavers will have to do a new wrapper for subs.  They already are probably working on one for the new CV play.  I wonder if the WOWs Halloween game will even play in October 2018 ?

2.  Subs of WW2 vintage did around 25 knots on the surface.  WW1 did 18 knots on the surface.  Speed will drop to 8 knots or so submerged (this may not be an issue with the Oxygen meter).  Depending on how long you are underwater, a sub may have to fire quickly before surfacing.  There will be no Irwin Allen Seaviews or 1990s vintage SeaQuest DSV subs in the game doing 30 or more knots underwater.  The vessels will be SLOW

3.  DDs are getting overtaxed as the main sub hunter.  CAs had provisions for subs. You can see the equipment on the Tier 3 Aurora.   So does (yes) the Tier 1 sloops.  Note that they have depth charge deployment devices on them.  While any of these ships have a role in sub chasing ?

4.  CV aircraft did a fair amount of sub chasing (as well as the Zeppelins of WW2 US Navy).  What role would they have ?

5.  While the German U-Boats fired fore and aft torpedoes, the American "O" and "S" classes, if memory serves correct, fired only from the BOW in WW1 and later.

I will give WOWS credit for thinking of all the Gamers who have asked for submarines.  It will be the hardest ship class to put in if they proceed.  It would be a programmer's nightmare given all the changes needed to get submarines to work right.

Astrosaint

2: they already stated speeds will be increased. tier 9-10 won't really need it. Skipjack goes 33 knots:Smile_teethhappy:

3: they stated DD's will have their depth charges actually modeled. expect hydro, or really sonar to spot subs at all depths ingame.

4: don't know.

5:  after the S class(tier 2 at most) every American sub had both fore, and aft torpedo tubes. overall USN carried both more torpedos, and had more torpedo tubes, they outclassed uboats in every way really until the XXI and later the tang outclassed that thing since its just a better XXI.

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My Aoba appears to have Depth Charges mounted on it, so some cruisers may be able to help with the subs and take some of the burden off the DDs. And subs will need to surface and if you do so while near a Hydro equipped BB that likely will end very badly for the sub. Not to mention many of the mid tier maps it will be all to easy to bottleneck subs.

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1 minute ago, Patton3rdarmy13 said:

about 30 minutes and this post is not locked, you are lucky and slipped under the sonar.

This is real. WG actually announced it. Subs are coming for initial testing in this year's Halloween event, and then if they turn out to be fun, well liked, and most importantly, balanced, they probably will be coming sometime late next year.

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4 minutes ago, legoboy0401 said:

This is real. WG actually announced it. Subs are coming for initial testing in this year's Halloween event, and then if they turn out to be fun, well liked, and most importantly, balanced, they probably will be coming sometime late next year.

I know its real, just making joke about how WG is locking posts on subs.

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5 minutes ago, legoboy0401 said:

This is real. WG actually announced it. Subs are coming for initial testing in this year's Halloween event, and then if they turn out to be fun, well liked, and most importantly, balanced, they probably will be coming sometime late next year.

I'd say fall 2019, and they pretty much are confirmed with the way events test new ideas out. Wot, and WT do the same thing. Wheeled vehicles, and Helos respectively.

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34 minutes ago, Xplato said:

2: they already stated speeds will be increased. tier 9-10 won't really need it. Skipjack goes 33 knots:Smile_teethhappy:

3: they stated DD's will have their depth charges actually modeled. expect hydro, or really sonar to spot subs at all depths ingame.

4: don't know.

5:  after the S class(tier 2 at most) every American sub had both fore, and aft torpedo tubes. overall USN carried both more torpedos, and had more torpedo tubes, they outclassed uboats in every way really until the XXI and later the tang outclassed that thing since its just a better XXI.

Uh, hum, the skipjack class had atomic reactors if I was not mistaken.  Then again, Tier 10 CV used to have Jet planes.

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Just now, Astrosaint said:

Uh, hum, the skipjack class had atomic reactors if I was not mistaken.  Then again, Tier 10 CV used to have Jet planes.

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SSN with a US tree is basically a gurreentee. SSN well early only real difference was speed, and sound. other than that they are the same as previous diesel electric boats.

Nautilas is pretty much going to be in the game in order to sell the line. most likely tier 9 prem, or tech tree.

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1 hour ago, Xplato said:

SSN with a US tree is basically a gurreentee. SSN well early only real difference was speed, and sound. other than that they are the same as previous diesel electric boats.

Nautilas is pretty much going to be in the game in order to sell the line. most likely tier 9 prem, or tech tree.

If Skipjacks are in the game, there is no need for surfacing and you will get your 25-30 knot submerge.  The old time WW1 U-9 subs that burned Kerosene (Diesel had not yet been adopted) would be at a starting Tier of 4/5 and doing 8-9 knot submerged.

Tier 10 would be Los Angeles Class or equivilent and the surface ships will be history unless the red team had their own Los Angeles Class subs doing the hunting Cold Waters Game style.  WOWS can also be a bit fanciful and try the Disney version of the Nautilus from the 1950s.

Anyway you look at this change in the game, there is a great amount of computer software to write.  With the CVs, WG had World of Warplanes software to use as a base.  Subs are another matter.

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2 minutes ago, Astrosaint said:

If Skipjacks are in the game, there is no need for surfacing and you will get your 25-30 knot submerge.  The old time WW1 U-9 subs that burned Kerosene (Diesel had not yet been adopted) would be at a starting Tier of 4/5 and doing 8-9 knot submerged.

Tier 10 would be Los Angeles Class or equivilent and the surface ships will be history unless the red team had their own Los Angeles Class subs doing the hunting Cold Waters Game style.  WOWS can also be a bit fanciful and try the Disney version of the Nautilus from the 1950s.

Anyway you look at this change in the game, there is a great amount of computer software to write.  With the CVs, WG had World of Warplanes software to use as a base.  Subs are another matter.

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not a single thing you just said was even close to being in reality.

WW1 subs will be at most tier 2/3.

Skipjack wouldn't be underwater at all the time. WG already has a counter that wouldn't change, sure it could stay underwater for longer say 30% compared to say the tier 9. but not forever, balance matters more than being realistic.

Skipjack is really the farthest any line should go in WOWS. anything farther and you have the stupidity of being far to close to way to advance Missile tech. It's why I said Germans don't have a tier 10 Sub candidate, they do it's just that it wasn't in service until 1968, way to far ahead for the game.

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Los Angeles Class are attack subs, not the boomers of the George Washington Class (a Skipjack cut in half and given a section for 16 Polaris missiles) of 1960 vintage.  Skipjack Class was the 1960s sub class in the USN.

The U-1 that I saw in Munich's tech museum in Germany was sailing around the time The German class Kaiser BBs were being launched.  U-9 was fairly new at the time the New York class BBs were under construction.  WW1 subs at Tier 2-3 might be too early for historical purposes.

To be sure, one should double check the story of the British Cruslly? class armored cruiser of 1895 vintage.  One early U-7/9 Kerosene type sub sank 3 of those in one day in the early days of the First World War.  

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