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Here are a Few ships to start with that need to be fixed to keep in with the true specs. 

HMS Belfast:  Missing are the 6 x 21-inch ( 533 mm ) torpedo tubes.

HMS Hood: Missing 2 × 2 – 21-inch/ above water torpedo tubes.

Gneisenau: needs to be changed to 9 × 28 cm/54.5 (11 inch) SK C/34, not the 3x2 that it now has.

 

 

 

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HMS Belfast as represented in game is her mid-50s refit. Hence why she has the Mark 5 twin 40MM AA guns. The torpedoes were removed by then.

Gneisenau is represented as she would have been if her scheduled refit had gone through.

Can't speak for why Hood doesn't have her above water torpedoes

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Belfast doesn't have her torpedoes as a balance decision and the era in which the hull is represented in game. She already has smoke, radar, and hydro, and one of her key weaknesses is actually that lack of alpha damage threat to discourage people from pushing her smoke.

Hood's torpedoes are fixed mount, and WG has expressed that there's been some difficulties in including fixed mount torpedoes before—There's also the precedent it sets, since so many of the low tier battleships historically also had fixed mount torpedoes set into their hulls. 

Gneisenau's guns represent a planned upgrade that never happened to the actual ship. The 11 inch gun version exists in game as Scharnhorst, a tier 7 premium. 

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Have to say [edited] on this part Hood's torpedoes are fixed mount, and WG has expressed that there's been some difficulties in including fixed mount torpedoes before—There's also the precedent it sets, since so many of the low tier battleships historically also had fixed mount torpedoes set into their hulls. Since other ships have fixed mounts " MUTSU " for one, so that cant be the reason.

Gneisenau's guns represent a planned upgrade that never happened to the actual ship. The 11 inch gun version exists in game as Scharnhorst, a tier 7 premium, Never happened so should not be in game.

If we are going with planed then a lot of ships need to be changed to fit planed ( things that never happened ) refits.

Belfast had torps and needs to have them in game or have a choice to have them mounted minus the 1950s upgrade.

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13 minutes ago, _73RD_Easting2NDACAV said:

Have to say [edited] on this part Hood's torpedoes are fixed mount, and WG has expressed that there's been some difficulties in including fixed mount torpedoes before—There's also the precedent it sets, since so many of the low tier battleships historically also had fixed mount torpedoes set into their hulls. Since other ships have fixed mounts " MUTSU " for one, so that cant be the reason.

Gneisenau's guns represent a planned upgrade that never happened to the actual ship. The 11 inch gun version exists in game as Scharnhorst, a tier 7 premium, Never happened so should not be in game.

If we are going with planed then a lot of ships need to be changed to fit planed ( things that never happened ) refits.

Belfast had torps and needs to have them in game or have a choice to have them mounted minus the 1950s upgrade.

 

If you removed everything that didn;t actually happen only the IJN would have a T10 BB, only the IJN, US, and RN would have a T10 DD< only the US would have a cruiser above T8. I could go on but whats the point. The game is full of ships that where planned and never built.

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10 minutes ago, _73RD_Easting2NDACAV said:

Have to say [edited] on this part Hood's torpedoes are fixed mount, and WG has expressed that there's been some difficulties in including fixed mount torpedoes before—There's also the precedent it sets, since so many of the low tier battleships historically also had fixed mount torpedoes set into their hulls. Since other ships have fixed mounts " MUTSU " for one, so that cant be the reason.

Gneisenau's guns represent a planned upgrade that never happened to the actual ship. The 11 inch gun version exists in game as Scharnhorst, a tier 7 premium, Never happened so should not be in game.

If we are going with planed then a lot of ships need to be changed to fit planed ( things that never happened ) refits.

Belfast had torps and needs to have them in game or have a choice to have them mounted minus the 1950s upgrade.

 

Mutsu's torpedoes aren't fixed mount. They can still traverse. Fixed mount means that the only way to aim them, is to turn the ship itself. They're fixed into the hull. 

A lot of things that never happened in real life are represented in game. And it's not that they go with the planned refits for all the ships, but rather than the one for Gneisenau helps her fit in better among the German battleship tech tree. After all, the ships preceding and coming after her both have 15 inch guns. They then took Scharnhorst and added her in as a premium with the 11 inch guns. 

Belfast absolutely does not need torpedoes.  

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Belfast is modeled in its 50s refit, note the missing aa guns as well... 

It's torps were removed as well as a lot of low caliber aa guns in that refit. So stop complaining about historical accuracy, it is historically accurate. 

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Ok then why do we have three T8 US BB that are all the same? one grind two premium, Its people like to play them and that's they only reason to have that many in game. So G needs to have the choice of what guns you want to have. 

As far as fixed torps the Mut does have fixed torps since it can not shot torps behind it as KII or Graff or many others can, you have to turn ship outside of a 90D.

 

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2 minutes ago, _73RD_Easting2NDACAV said:

Ok then why do we have three T8 US BB that are all the same? one grind two premium, Its people like to play them and that's they only reason to have that many in game. So G needs to have the choice of what guns you want to have. 

As far as fixed torps the Mut does have fixed torps since it can not shot torps behind it as KII or Graff or many others can, you have to turn ship outside of a 90D.

 

Please find every historical in accuracy and then come back when you have found them please. 

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All torpedoes are directionally guided by gyroscope, not by pointing like a handgun. After the war, records show the Hood actually fired two torpedoes at the Prinz Eugan, and accounts for the major course change soon after the Hood was sunk. The fact the Germans now had to dodge torpedoes may have changed the outlook of the battle had the Hood not blown up.

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2 minutes ago, _73RD_Easting2NDACAV said:

Ok then why do we have three T8 US BB that are all the same? one grind two premium, Its people like to play them and that's they only reason to have that many in game. So G needs to have the choice of what guns you want to have. 

As far as fixed torps the Mut does have fixed torps since it can not shot torps behind it as KII or Graff or many others can, you have to turn ship outside of a 90D.

 

 

Those three T8 USN BBs are wildly different from one another, once you look past the surface level. Them being in game is separate from your demand.

I want you to listen and pay attention to what I'm about to say. Mutsu's torpedoes can traverse. They can be aimed separate from the ship's hull. They cannot traverse much, and have a narrow arc of fire. But they can traverse. 

Fixed torpedoes cannot traverse. The only way to aim them is to turn the ship. They have no fire arc. None. 

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32 minutes ago, _73RD_Easting2NDACAV said:

Have to say [edited] on this part Hood's torpedoes are fixed mount, and WG has expressed that there's been some difficulties in including fixed mount torpedoes before—There's also the precedent it sets, since so many of the low tier battleships historically also had fixed mount torpedoes set into their hulls. Since other ships have fixed mounts " MUTSU " for one, so that cant be the reason.

 

 

13 minutes ago, _73RD_Easting2NDACAV said:

 

As far as fixed torps the Mut does have fixed torps since it can not shot torps behind it as KII or Graff or many others can, you have to turn ship outside of a 90D.

 

Early Mutsu (IRL) had both hull-mounted and not-hull-mounted(?) torpedoes. WG only modeled the latter, if they modeled both she could launch 4 torpedoes per side.

And limited traverse is not the same as no traverse.

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1 hour ago, _73RD_Easting2NDACAV said:

Ok then why do we have three T8 US BB that are all the same? one grind two premium, Its people like to play them and that's they only reason to have that many in game. So G needs to have the choice of what guns you want to have. 

As far as fixed torps the Mut does have fixed torps since it can not shot torps behind it as KII or Graff or many others can, you have to turn ship outside of a 90D.

 

For someone that is as dedicated to historical accuracy as you claim to be, I am surprised that you think all 3 of the t8 usn bbs are the same. They are not and I would suggest you do some research on North Carolina and South Dakota class battleships and how they are not the same.... 

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Japanese battleship Mutsu

The ship was also fitted with eight 533-millimetre (21.0 in) torpedo tubes, four on each broadside, two above water and two submerged.

Around 1926, the four above-water torpedo tubes were removed and the ship received three additional 76 mm AA guns that were situated around the base of the foremast.

SO Mut should have fixed tubes below water line or none at all.

As far as look at the three T8 they are all the same with a few changes to Armor and AA guns. SO all the same ship.

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52 minutes ago, _73RD_Easting2NDACAV said:

Never happened so should not be in game.

Look through the tech trees... you've just gutted entire sections. 

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Just now, _73RD_Easting2NDACAV said:

Japanese battleship Mutsu

The ship was also fitted with eight 533-millimetre (21.0 in) torpedo tubes, four on each broadside, two above water and two submerged.

Around 1926, the four above-water torpedo tubes were removed and the ship received three additional 76 mm AA guns that were situated around the base of the foremast.

SO Mut should have fixed tubes below water line or none at all.

As far as look at the three T8 they are all the same with a few changes to Armor and AA guns. SO all the same ship.

 

The version of Mutsu that appears in game comes from before that refit. 

By the logic you are displaying, Iowa is the same as the three T8 battleships. After all, she only has a few changes to armour and AA, right? 

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Well since we are now insulting each other " By the logic you are displaying, Iowa is the same as the three T8 battleships. After all, she only has a few changes to armour and AA, right?  yes lets go with YES same ship as other three.

If this was true " The version of Mutsu that appears in game comes from before that refit.  " why is there no below water line torpedo tubs ?

 

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Yeah, he won't respond to logical, researchable rebuttals to his arguments. And is calling legitimate arguments insults. 

I'm calling troll. 

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Just now, _73RD_Easting2NDACAV said:

Well since we are now insulting each other " By the logic you are displaying, Iowa is the same as the three T8 battleships. After all, she only has a few changes to armour and AA, right?  yes lets go with YES same ship as other three.

If this was true " The version of Mutsu that appears in game comes from before that refit.  " why is there no below water line torpedo tubs ?

 

 

I'm not insulting you, I'm pointing out that the logic you are using doesn't work. (And no, Iowa is not the same ship. Just as Alabama is different from North Carolina, and Massachusetts is different from them all in game.) 

Mutsu does not have below waterline torpedo mounts in game because they are fixed mount. As I've already explained, WG isn't doing fixed mount torpedo tubes at the moment. Hence, they aren't present on Mutsu, whereas her other mounts are—as they aren't fixed mounts.  

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9 minutes ago, KilljoyCutter said:

Look through the tech trees... you've just gutted entire sections. 

Yeah.  Try finding a higher than T8 cruiser other than USN, or a T10 BB that isn't Yamato, or T10 DDs that aren't Gearing, or T10 CVs that aren't Midway, or...

 

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1 minute ago, RivertheRoyal said:

 

I'm not insulting you, I'm pointing out that the logic you are using doesn't work. (And no, Iowa is not the same ship. Just as Alabama is different from North Carolina, and Massachusetts is different from them all in game.) 

Mutsu does not have below waterline torpedo mounts in game because they are fixed mount. As I've already explained, WG isn't doing fixed mount torpedo tubes at the moment. Hence, they aren't present on Mutsu, whereas her other mounts are—as they aren't fixed mounts.  

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3 minutes ago, mavfin87 said:

Yeah.  Try finding a higher than T8 cruiser other than USN, or a T10 BB that isn't Yamato, or T10 DDs that aren't Gearing, or T10 CVs that aren't Midway, or...

 

 pretty soon we'll have that guy pitching in who wants all the ww1 ships removed from the game... 

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Mutsu represents a specific refit in time where the submerged tubes were removed, but the mounted ones in the superstructure were not. A submerged torpedo cannot traverse, the ones above water could. Look at the low tier KM DDs, they have a similar traverse mechanism for a single fire torpedo traversing a short distance. 

 

North Carolina =/= Alabama. Alabama is not equal to Massachusetts either given the gameplay differences of the ship.

 

There's a huge reason why everyone removed submerged torpedoes, they sucked, and were useless. As were fixed mounts, it's amazing that Rodney even managed to allegedly hit Bismarck with a torpedo from one. 

 

River has stated exactly the answers to your questions, listen to them.

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