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confirmed.

halloween prototyping initially, but development has been underway for a very long time.

I would hope we have no more derailing of sub threads and suggestions, and that submarine topics will recieve greater respect from a number of very vocal sub haters. :Smile_glasses:

https://www.twitch.tv/worldofwarships

it will be interesting to compare official development with past suggestions for submarines.

(if we can dig up locked threads)

 

summary (in progress, regular updates) : 

  1. halloween is being used to test the concept of submarines
  2. if it works, tech trees will be produced and historical subs modelled.
  3. depth charges for destroyers
  4. submarines, submerged or surfaced, can be hit by torpedos.
  5. but initial development is focussed on submarine gameplay, counters to submarines, by player commanded surface ships, will follow later.
  6. submarines will not have horns.
  7. submarines will have an oxygen consumeable, to limit their time completely submerged.
  8. submarines will have three modes of operation, surfaced, snorkel, dived.
  9. torps can be launched from snorkel (periscope) and surfaced modes.
  10. normal dmg mechanics apply to submarines, including fire and floods.
  11. Deep water torps will not affect subs.
  12. cv rework is priority
  13. When will we see subs in random battles? 2019 maybe.
  14. underwater content/obstacles are already modelled
  15. Submarine speeds are artificially accelerated for the game
  16. Submarines will be able to cap, somehow
  17. periscope depth will be optimal for torpedo attacks
  18. submarines will be detectable by hydroacoustic equipped ships
  19. submarines will have a guaranteed acquisition distance, like all surface ships.
  20. MrConway, (EU), says "Don't be mad. it will be fun"
  21. Flamu (well known CC youtube ranter) "What in WG's name am I watching?"
  22. no UnterSeeZeppelin tier 8 premium with control alt sink ability has been confirmed, yet. 

Reddit summary here : 

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non exhaustive list of past Submarine suggestions/discussions to be added here (if you find one that is missing from this list, please do add a link in comments) :

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 (if you find one that is missing from this list, please do add a link in comments) :

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Compilation of CC reactions :

1. Flamu

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2. Aetam

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3. iChase :

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4. NoZoupForYou :

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5. The Mighty Jingles :

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official and/or other reliable sources of info :

devblog

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interview

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gameplay

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I remember the old days....

"No pre-dreadnoughts" Mikasa.

 

"No submarines. At all. Even the Chieftain said no submarines" Times change.

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Just now, Destroyer_Fuyuzuki said:

I remember the old days....

"No pre-dreadnoughts" Mikasa.

 

"No submarines. At all. Even the Chieftain said no submarines" Times change.

every sub suggestion would be spammed with "no sub memes" and vids of Chieftain or Dasha denying subs would ever come to WOWS. 

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This seems appropriate.

 

"If we get good feedback, if the players enjoy this event, then we will strongly consider adding submarines to the main game."  -SubOctavian, 2018

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2 minutes ago, LoveBote said:

every sub suggestion would be spammed with "no sub memes" and vids of Chieftain or Dasha denying subs would ever come to WOWS. 

Could this be the most elaborate coverup operation in Wargaming history?

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Yikes.

Halloween for now as a proof of concept. Maybe later for PvP (long term project)

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Was just a matter of time before we saw subs.  Will it be introduced into regular game modes?  Depends on the feedback they get from the halloween event.

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4 minutes ago, Destroyer_Fuyuzuki said:

Could this be the most elaborate coverup operation in Wargaming history?

Hah! Sure feels like it. But then, I could never believe, they had completely abandoned the idea even when back in Alpha, they offically said no.

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2 minutes ago, LoveBote said:

Hah! Sure feels like it. But then, I could never believe, they had completely abandoned the idea even when back in Alpha, they offically said no.

Many decisions are shaped by competition. This could be a recent development that resurfaced (get it) in order to give WG an edge over similar products. Now World of Warships will be able to boast of having Carriers and Subs.

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Today the forum will be flooded with submarine threads.

Dozens of them.

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Just now, desmo_2 said:

Today the forum will be flooded with submarine threads.

Dozens of them.

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let the games begin!

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Looks interesting....always figured they could add subs, just not the 7kters (top Under Water Speed)

Kind of opens the door for Frigates, Corvettes and other ASW craft.

From the speed of them, they could using the specs from either a Type XXI (17kts UWS) or XVIII(24kts UWS)....most likely the XVIII

Guess I'll have to bone up on my sub skills.....now where did I put Silent Hunter 4?........

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It's always been only a matter of time.  Never, say Never...

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2 minutes ago, ArcherDude said:

Looks interesting....always figured they could add subs, just not the 7kters (top Under Water Speed)

You mean like effectively all WW2 subs?

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Let's keep all in mind however that at the moment WG is refurbishing a whole class (CVs) and seems willing to effect more changes, while at the same time introducing new nations and lines. Subs are very veryy long way away, probably at least a year or two if they get greenlit.

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Sigh...

Not looking forward to this. It's going to get massive approval because its flashy, then its going to create an even worse rock-paper-scissors meta than we already have. Look forward to not being able to counter play subs in a BB, not being able to counter play cruisers in a DD, and not being able to counter play DDs in a sub. It'll be great. 

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The major concern I have is that they haven't gotten CV's right yet, and are looking to develop another type of ship.

This seems like a bad idea.

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WG is doing something similar in Tanks, adding wheeled vehicles after years of saying they wouldn't. So there seems to be a general sense that the scope of these games needs to widen to keep adding content that people will buy or grind for (as opposed to new maps or game modes).

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I would say that even if they went ahead with subs in the main game it’s going to be 2020 at the earliest. Just think of the work they need to do:

1. They need to model the subs. 

2. They need to add underwater content to all the maps

3. All DDs at a minimum need to get ASW capabilities like depth charges

4. They need to develop sub vs sub combat. The Halloween event is only PVE with no bot subs  

Dont underestimate the amount of work here. There would need to be a sound financial model and also a model that won’t break the rest of the game. 

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