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Do You Ever Go AA Trolling Hoping to Get CVs

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Now I enjoy a good lower tier match from time to time.  And you know a Texas with an AA build can just be down right fun trolling CVs and down right daring them to come after you...  What is your down right fun AA CV Trolling Bote?

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Yes. It doesn't really work for me very often though. I've only made it work reliably on Hood, because most players don't see enough Hoods to know they can be specced with good AA and it looks like a large, juicy target. Yubari is a good ship for that as well, … but then I've have to play Yubari. 

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28 minutes ago, Tzarevitch said:

Yes. It doesn't really work for me very often though. I've only made it work reliably on Hood, because most players don't see enough Hoods to know they can be specced with good AA and it looks like a large, juicy target. Yubari is a good ship for that as well, … but then I've have to play Yubari. 

Yubari's not a bad bote, BUT - it does take wall-to-wall tryharding to get a good result with it.

EDIT - and even with the hyper-accurate guns, a little help from RNG goes a long way.

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Nope.  Why would you?  First you have to get a match with a CV,  then the CV has to be brain dead enough to not check your AA,  and then they still have to attack you.  And all for what?  So you can say "Lulz,  killed a buncha planes!"  Don't really see the point.  

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13 minutes ago, Palladia said:

Nope.  Why would you?  First you have to get a match with a CV,  then the CV has to be brain dead enough to not check your AA,  and then they still have to attack you.  And all for what?  So you can say "Lulz,  killed a buncha planes!"  Don't really see the point.  

Well, it is kinda funny to get Clear Skies because the enemy Kaga doesn't know what Hood is capable of.

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When driving US cruisers, I usually say something like "Crap.  No AAA modules, signals, equipment or skills".   Once, in the Des Moines, I added "and I left all my 40mm on the dock".

Works every now and then.

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15 minutes ago, KiyoSenkan said:

Well, it is kinda funny to get Clear Skies because the enemy Kaga doesn't know what Hood is capable of.

Hood and her DFAA.  Her 'special' DFAA,  anyway.  ...I actually find it kind of funny when anything up to a T9 CV tries to approach my Izumo and eats a bunch of losses before getting a drop off.  I could probably make that even worse by taking manual AA but eh,  just doesn't seem worth it to me.

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3 minutes ago, sPzAbt505 said:

When driving US cruisers, I usually say something like "Crap.  No AAA modules, signals, equipment or skills".   Once, in the Des Moines, I added "and I left all my 40mm on the dock".

Works every now and then.

Worcester

it can’t really be considered a troll as any high tier CV player knows to stay away. 

But even without DFAA or any AA buffs, she’s very deadly.

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23 minutes ago, ClassicLib said:

Worcester

it can’t really be considered a troll as any high tier CV player knows to stay away. 

But even without DFAA or any AA buffs, she’s very deadly.

Kinda makes me feel bad for them.  Kinda.

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Texas, the classic Atlanta, (always fun to over to a BB or a CV the enemy carrier is so focused on they don’t see the flakkuizer closing in...) and surprisingly; Wyoming, (Wyoming can be surprisingly brutal to low tier carriers.)

BOGUE.

With a full AA build her rating is over 50.

My first Clear Sky, (old version,) was with a Strike Bogue, which means all bombers and no fighters. AA and tail-gunners ftw, baby!

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1 hour ago, Tzarevitch said:

Yes. It doesn't really work for me very often though. I've only made it work reliably on Hood, because most players don't see enough Hoods to know they can be specced with good AA and it looks like a large, juicy target. 

^This. When I play Hood I actually want to get CVs in the match.

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I do the opposite, I do the AA bluff in my Atlanta with not a single AA spec, and I run hydro instead of DFAA.  In something like 130 games I've only had a CV target me twice.  It was the same CV player in back to back games.  I still managed to shoot down a few planes. 

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My NorCar was built fully for AA. Problem is, carriers start to become scrace after that point...

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2 hours ago, GrimmeReaper said:

Now I enjoy a good lower tier match from time to time.  And you know a Texas with an AA build can just be down right fun trolling CVs and down right daring them to come after you...  What is your down right fun AA CV Trolling Bote?

Yup, Texas is a great boat for defeating CVs.

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I have many AA Spec BBs.

V Texas, the only ship with good AA in Tier V.

VII Colorado / Gneisenau / Lyon

VII North Carolina / Alabama / Kii / Richelieu

IX Iowa / Missouri

X Montana.  I even dabbled by trolling with an AA Yamato for a while.  Surprised the sh*t out of some CVs :Smile_teethhappy:

 

The best BB AA Trolls are Non-USN ones.  The typical CV driver naturally builds an inherent respect for Tier VII+ USN Battleships.  It's the Non-USN  ones that catch them.

VII Lyon was amazing AA Troll Bait when she was new, her reputation in AA wasn't a widely known thing.  CV players wanted to nuke the new VII French BB, so she got tested a lot.  Now CVs avoid my Lyon.  Same thing with Richelieu but to a lesser severity.  Richelieu's AA could see Tier X CVs, which push all but the most dedicated AA to their limits.

 

The single biggest BB AA Trolls I've done were VII Gneisenau, X Yamato.

 

Yamato has respectable AA, if you spec for it, but nobody does.  I'm not saying it would rival Montana, far from it.  But it's enough to swat so many planes down when the CV tries, and then the CV gets surprised.  Again, Yamato 99.999999% of the time is never built for AA.  But spec'ed for AA she'll bag lots of planes.  I still remember my debut with my AA Yamato, I sailed her right into the open, all alone with no friendly ships nearby.  I wanted Enterprise to come after me, and she did.  She sent both TB, both DB squads and none of them made it home to the CV, and I think I only ate 1 DB bomb that did nothing.  Enterprise tried again, even worse results.  LOL Tier VII planes vs Tier X AA!  It held up fine against Tier IX CVs but X CVs would worry me, as it's not Montana quality AA.

 

Gneisenau is excellent BB AA Troll Baiting to its maximum.  Why?  How many times do you hear people recommend ANY German BB with an AA Build?  Almost always zero, up and down the tiers, even Gneisenau herself.  Either Main Battery or Secondry Builds.  You recommend an AA Build, people look at you weird.  Yet Gneisenau, with Lyon, has a killer AA suite in Tier VII, you don't need AA Escorts like a USN Cruiser.  You want the CV to come after you.  And because German BBs have such terrible AA reputations because they are NEVER spec'ed for AA, it makes that AA Gneisenau magnificent in trolling CVs.

 

Gneisenau's AA succeeds because her long range AA has great range coupled with DPS.  I did a hardcore AA, to include Manual AA.  She is a "No Fly Zone" even against Tier IX CVs.  Taiho, Essex try, but they lose everything.  Even the deadly 3 TB Taiho swarm is shredded to insignificance and money in my bank.  Gneisenau's AA is so good that I've used her as the centerpiece of a friendly group of ships on a push, and the CV can't punish anyone.  I've told friendly, nearby DDs of my AA capabilities and range, and many have run back my direction with bombers coming after them, and I swat the planes out of the skies for them.  Then the DDs turn back around and go do their job again.

 

Edit:  There's an okay number of Non-USN Battleships that actually have respectable AA.  The problem for them is they tend to slot ASM1 or SBM2 as a higher priority.  USN BBs don't have that problem.  They take AAGM2 in that Slot 3 because they have no other choice.  They have no ASM1 access in Slot 3, and all but Premium Massachusetts have garbage a.f. Secondaries.  So USN BBs aren't pulled in many different directions like German, French, RN BBs do.  It's AA because they got nothing else better to do! :Smile_teethhappy: But IX-X USN BBs can get APRM2 for dispersion buffing while still slotting AAGM2 at the same time.  That is a SWEET SETUP.  But again, it also reinforces that the CV avoids USN BBs and goes for something else.  So if you take a Non-USN BB with a good AA setup and build for it, you catch a number of Carriers off guard.  But a good CV captain doesn't fall for such tricks.

 

Edit again!:  Texas in Tier V deserves mention.  Not only is her AA good, the only good AA in Tier V, but she is right smack in the middle of seeing the most commonly played CVs.  There's a lot of Tier IV-V CVs that see action.  Tier VI-VII CVs see more play than VIII-X ones do.  Texas is in the middle of all that.  From Hosho / Langley in Tier IV, to extremely dangerous Kaga in Tier VII, Texas can realistically see them.  But her AA in Tier V is dangerous because all it takes is one stupid bombing run by a Tier IV-V CV against Texas, and they're about run out of planes as a result.  Tier IV-VI CVs have abysmally replacement aircraft numbers, the IV-V ones especially so.

1 hour ago, ClassicLib said:

Worcester

it can’t really be considered a troll as any high tier CV player knows to stay away. 

But even without DFAA or any AA buffs, she’s very deadly.

What Worcester has is that she has lower aerial spotting range than her AA range if AA & Stealth Spec'ed.  She can turn off her AA until the aircraft are deep into her AA range and still not be spotted by the CV.  Then just before spotting or right when the CV spots Worcester, turn on AA and pop Defensive Fire.

"Say good night, Gracie."

Minotaur could do the same thing but she doesn't have Defensive Fire like Worcester does.  It's a slaughter house.

 

Of course, to do that, Worcester requires an absurdly high points captain, 18pts at the bare minimum.  CE + AFT are a must, but IFHE for surface combat DPM is still demanded.  I wanted to have Manual AA for the lulz but my friend talked me out of that.  For now :Smile_hiding:

Edited by HazeGrayUnderway

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18 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

What Worcester has is that she has lower aerial spotting range than her AA range if AA & Stealth Spec'ed.  She can turn off her AA until the aircraft are deep into her AA range and still not be spotted by the CV.  Then just before spotting or right when the CV spots Worcester, turn on AA and pop Defensive Fire.

"Say good night, Gracie."

What’s really satisfying is hearing the plane shot down audible in rapid succession when squadrons stray into the Worcester AA bubble. It will drop a plane every 1-3 seconds. Squadrons just disappear. 

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2 minutes ago, ClassicLib said:

What’s really satisfying is hearing the plane shot down audible in rapid succession when squadrons stray into the Worcester AA bubble. It will drop a plane every 1-3 seconds. Squadrons just disappear. 

Planes don't just disappear!  You see the fiery trails of dying aircraft spiral into the water :cap_rambo:

 

The funniest though is if you got Worcester and the CV you're facing is only a Tier VIII CV :Smile_teethhappy:  They may as well be AFK because they're doing nothing on Worcester's watch.

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A bote that's got seriously underrated AA is the Huang He. There, I said it. With a full manual AA build (plus flag), you rock an 81 rating with manual at T6. So far, my record is 53 planes. Shreds t5/6. Makes t7 planes run away and t8, well, if I really wanted to kill planes, I'd have brought a Kidd.....

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  Well, that would be Texas; Nor-Cal; Missouri (100 AA rating!); Montana; Buffalo; Des Moines, and Baltimore.   New Orleans and Indy can be fun, too.  Cleveland and Atlanta are too well known to be considered troll ships- CV's just avoid them...

Agreed with Nurnberg's C hull.  I use that when I play OPS with it- worked quite well in Aegis.

  One of the fun things about Co-op, is that the CV's ARE dumb enough to try you- and once they decide you are their target, they just keep coming, lol.   Yesterday, I had a Buffalo match, where Amagi and I spawned by B on Trap.   Everyone else- inc our 2 DD's mass charged A.    So of course, the entire bot team did, too.   Which left Amagi and I with nobody to shoot at...   We took B, and attempted to punish the flanks of the bots, but they all got behind islands.   I managed one lucky salvo that killed the red Amagi- for a mere 500 damage.  

  Shokaku spent the entire game sending wave after wave of torpedo bombers at me- AND parked his fighters near me the whole time.   I dodged every one of them, and ended up with 40 plane kills, lol.   All he accomplished was to hedge me further away from ships I had no shot at anyway.    I ended the game with less than 10k in damage, 1 cap assist- and 40 plane kills.  And came in 4th for base xp, earning over 2000 xp (after bonuses) and tons of silver.   So you DO earn some $$ and xp for killing planes.   It's free loot, so why not go for it??

 Buffalo is just plain mean to aircraft squadrons, lol.  (or anything else that presents itself as a good target for that matter, lol)

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Whenever I queue up with a bote that has great AA, there's rarely a CV in the match. However, If I queue up with a bote that has weak to non-existent AA, there's rarely not a CV.

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 My full AA spec'ed Atlanta ( which I have had since Closed Beta ) . WHEN I get a CV"s in battle ( it seems like very not often unless I Div with someone playing a CV ) I taunt the red team CV saying ;  " Noway you can torp or bomb me silly kanigit ! " plus other taunts . I also have our teams CV lead their fighters back to me when they can . 

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1. Full AA fit the Kidd, Div with friend who has CV.

2. Have friend use strike planes to bait fighters over you.

3. DFAA

4. ???

5. Profit.

Can be done with Fletcher or Gearing. A lot of CVs over look dds so it can get them by surprise. Most people don't run DFAA on American DD's as well since 99% of the time it's useless.

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