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Eh guys.

I'm certainly no expert on the subject but I'm hoping those who are might weigh in at the risk of jeopardizing their future success. I've been spending some time trying to polish off my skills in Independence in tier 6 and think I'm getting the hang of it. I'm less influential in tier 7 and up... but in tier 6 I'm holding my own. AA is becoming a thing in tiers 6-8... and there are still enough CVs in those tiers to seriously contemplate AA builds. I've cleaned up my manual drops quite a bit and strategically understand my role in the back echelon. 

Many people have outright decided not to play CVs- and while that is their prerogative I do encourage people to give the class a try and familiarize yourself with the struggles of the CV both for and against you. This will help develop empathy for your CV driver and maybe even some respect for the opposing one. The CV changes are a long way out so don't let that dissuade you. 

Here are a few things going through my head as the game begins... The TLDR version is: See 5. 

 

1) Before clicking the join battle button, looking at the AA ratings of the various opposing ships to see who has an AA build. This helps to flag any lucrative targets so I can keep my eye open for them if they wander off on their own. If you're lean on AA- especially as a BB- then you can bet I know it. I'm coming for you- it's just a matter of when. See 5).

2) Where can I position myself so that I can cycle my planes quickly? This decision is usually firming up in the first 5 minutes as a balance of where a majority of my fleet is going and how much of the red fleet is going that direction as well. More than a few times I've committed to one side and been distracted... only to find out my fleet collapsed on that side and are in full retreat. I get mowed down like grass. If it's hard to determine a safe side early I'll hang back a little further.  

3) Distribution of aircraft at the beginning is highly subjective but generally balances protecting ones own aircraft and spotting the enemy around caps or flanks. This is where the strategic picture starts to build- spotting DDs for supporting guns as well as stragglers moving away from the main body of the fleet start to draw attention from the CV. I may or may not actually drop on DDs in cap- some of it will depend on proximity of friendly ships who can take on cap resetting. If a DD smokes up then you can bet I'll give him some torps to think about with a manual drop. 

4) Do not depend on your CV for protection from aircraft- many will commit their fighters to protecting their own attack aircraft from the opposing CV... especially if trying to counter an AS build. At the beginning of a battle- especially against a competent adversary- I'll recommend the team "stay in packs to defend against the enemy CV." I say this for a reason- it's because my job gets a lot easier since the fleet becomes independent but also I know it would be a lot harder for me if the enemy fleet does the same thing. I can't throw away aircraft early on since my hangar capacity is quite small compared to higher tier carriers. See 5. 

5) If you want to be less of a target, stay in small packs of BB / CA / CLs. The sad truth about red fleet lemming trains from a CV perspective is it's a lot harder to pick off targets of opportunity since the AA bubble becomes a prominent obstacle. Packs provide some strategic flexibility while allowing groups to influence larger areas of the map... Packs > Lemming Train. 

Oh and by the way- I see you cruisers escorting BBs over there and while I shake my fist at you from the other side I am also giving you the nod and your BB should too. BB drivers, keep your CL / CA buddies close and appreciate their efforts. They're hanging a lot out there to stay close to you.

6) If a CV messes up a drop on you don't heckle him / her since you can be sure to draw follow up attacks that are less likely to miss. Maybe distracting the CV is the plan- but if you're out there alone working a flank your fleet depends on I recommend keeping the commentary to yourself.  If you're a mouthy [edited] you can be sure I'll be back with renewed enthusiasm so if I have 2 ships to choose from and everything else is equal don't be the one that makes an impression. 

7) Remember: You want to be perpendicular to dive bombers and parallel to torpedo planes. If you can keep aircraft "chasing" you through a turn while they're in range you can gradually whittle his (her?) aircraft down to minimize the attack potential. Especially if you have good company- see 5.

8) Don't just change course... speed changes can also throw off our calculations. This one seems obvious but I'm always amazed at how consistent everyone's speed is. If you are in a position that is relatively protected from enemy ship fire and can slow down briefly do it... Unfortunately this might mean taking a torpedo on the nose and increasing chance of flooding... then again- you'd have probably taken one on the nose anyway as well as 4-5 others. You decide. 

9) If there are no lone flanking / sniping BBs to beat up on I'll shift my focus to ships that are severely damaged- especially those I'd noted had higher AA ratings since their capacity will be significantly reduced as they are damaged. There are other strategic considerations- cap resetting etc but if that's covered I'll go and start trying to knock off stragglers that are out of reach of my fleet if for no other reason than to get some more points up on the board to push the clock forward.

10) Damage control... As CV drivers start to figure out how to stack damage know that we're sitting back watching ships as they manage their damage con. If I drop on you and you put the fire out, I'll wait 15-30 seconds or so before I follow up with torpedoes or second bomber strike (depending on which CV... I've been playing Indie for the most part and it's restricted to 1-1-1 because reasons).  Face it, it's very, very difficult for you to face a dedicated CV alone... you're going to eat bombs... you're going to eat torpedoes. Some are going to wait you out... you'll damage con- even after two fires and flooding... you NEED to damage con. This takes us back to #5. 

10a) I'm constantly seeing newer CV drivers sim-drop torps and bombs... If possible, don't do this unless you've seen the target damage con. Park one group a safe distance in the general direction you will approach and then manage the attack squadron.

10b) LOOK OUT FOR FIGHTERS trying to ambush your "parked" / "orbiting" aircraft since when a CV is attacking is a good time for a strafing run. 

Any insights from unicum CV drivers that can help? I am also interested since at least stats wise I'm still a BB main lol. 

 

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LOL...I like to go alone in my QE.  Because I want to be attacked by the CV captain...even T8 CVs.  Unfortunately, most are on to me now and avoid me.  :Smile_sad:  

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With a dramatic shift in play style/Meta inbound.. I see no real reason to now improve or learn this game play short of remembering how it was in the old days?    All that being said,  I did notice in the time since the video came out a pretty noticeable increase in players knocking the dust off their carriers.        

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1 minute ago, RA6E_ said:

With a dramatic shift in play style/Meta inbound.. I see no real reason to now improve or learn this game play short of remembering how it was in the old days?    All that being said,  I did notice in the time since the video came out a pretty noticeable increase in players knocking the dust off their carriers.        

Yeah, I never really invested much time in CV play, mainly because I never enjoyed the top-down RTS style of play.  And with the rework looming, I haven't seen any point into investing time learning an obsolete system.  But the new rework looks intriguing, and you can bet I have a 19-point captain ready to go in Langley and Hosho when that day comes.  With all other lines maxed out, CVs have been the lone ones that I've been waiting for an excuse to get into.

As for the OP, these are solid words of advice, even if they may only be relevant for only a little while longer.

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Ah, I guess quitting the queue if you see carriers in it doesn't work if you're a carrier...

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Great post! Very good advice given by the op in a fun and empatic narrative.

I may dust off my bogue and apply some of these advice before cv gameplay changes.

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I really believe that moving up behind your main force cannot be stressed enough in importance. It really helps you Time To Target, as well as delays any enemy rushing you from the flank.

Not only that but it is far easier to counter CV snipes if you're moving rather than standing still. 

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11 minutes ago, Madwolf05 said:

I really believe that moving up behind your main force cannot be stressed enough in importance. It really helps you Time To Target, as well as delays any enemy rushing you from the flank.

Not only that but it is far easier to counter CV snipes if you're moving rather than standing still. 

It really is one of the most important aspects of being a good CV driver.

There are some really predictable places that you can find CVs- generally behind islands in the back sitting still. While this does reduce exposure to ships it also limits potential to defend against the carrier snipe as well as the potential impact their aircraft can have throughout the game.  

One additional point I will make as a tip for budding CV drivers is that if you haven't seen enemy aircraft in the first 2-3 minutes of the game there's a really good chance a CV snipe force is inbound on a border so pull your fighters back accordingly. 

48 minutes ago, Soshi_Sone said:

LOL...I like to go alone in my QE.  Because I want to be attacked by the CV captain...even T8 CVs.  Unfortunately, most are on to me now and avoid me.  :Smile_sad:  

You know, I'm pretty sure it was in a thread you were talking in a few months back where someone (might have even been you) mentioned they check the battle line before entering the map to look at AA ratings and "sleeper" AA platforms. 

One of the biggest issues I have with that right now is that often enough it just shows the name and badge... it doesn't show the ratings at all. Not sure if others have this issue? I can usually resolve it by taking my cursor out of the team window and bringing it back again- but it doesn't always work. Any suggestions? 

 

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Great post.

I remember a tier 9 game with tier 9 CVs while I was playing through Colorado.  Our CV announced at the beginning of the match that the enemy CV was pretty good and that staying in packs was strongly recommended.  I spent the game pathetically running after our FdG and NC - "hey guys wait for me" - like a fat kid after an ice cream truck.  But we won.

It is implicit in what you say, and I don't want to assign another burden to CVs, but good CV communication with the rest of the team is really helpful, and probably staves off some (not all, some) of the salt that is often directed at CV players.  It is nice as a non-CV to know that the CV has a plan, even if plans don't always work out.

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56 minutes ago, Lillehuntrix said:

Great post.

I remember a tier 9 game with tier 9 CVs while I was playing through Colorado.  Our CV announced at the beginning of the match that the enemy CV was pretty good and that staying in packs was strongly recommended.  I spent the game pathetically running after our FdG and NC - "hey guys wait for me" - like a fat kid after an ice cream truck.  But we won.

It is implicit in what you say, and I don't want to assign another burden to CVs, but good CV communication with the rest of the team is really helpful, and probably staves off some (not all, some) of the salt that is often directed at CV players.  It is nice as a non-CV to know that the CV has a plan, even if plans don't always work out.

Yeah. A little communication definitely goes a long way. 

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6 hours ago, Soshi_Sone said:

LOL...I like to go alone in my QE.  Because I want to be attacked by the CV captain...even T8 CVs.  Unfortunately, most are on to me now and avoid me.  :Smile_sad:  

:Smile_teethhappy:then i'll follow you in me Atlanta just to see if the CV would actually try...buwhahaha! ^_^ 

i haven't maxed out my ATL AA firepower...yet....mainly be cause not been getting atk by planes as much when i'm with her.  :(  would now be good time to start doing that...since CV have gone all mental on steroids? :Smile_amazed:

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18 hours ago, Happy668 said:

i read 6) that's admission cv is god mode, and need be fixed

Then play CVs and stop crying about it. 

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3 minutes ago, _ENO_ said:

Then play CVs and stop crying about it. 

it's happening, WG is fixing CV and i am going to try it, lol

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