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I think I'm going to start down this line as I find my distaste for BBs was mostly caused by the KM line and the capabilities of the French BBs as quasi-BCs (esp Rep) seem more up my alley.  I'd kind of like a captain trainer while grinding credits, however, most people seem to be critical of both the Dunquerke and Gascogne.  Is there any value there?  Should I just suck it up and wait for the JB and hope it's FXP?

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6 minutes ago, FlakKnight said:

I think I'm going to start down this line as I find my distaste for BBs was mostly caused by the KM line and the capabilities of the French BBs as quasi-BCs (esp Rep) seem more up my alley.  I'd kind of like a captain trainer while grinding credits, however, most people seem to be critical of both the Dunquerke and Gascogne.  Is there any value there?  Should I just suck it up and wait for the JB and hope it's FXP?

There are only 2 French BB premiums, Dunkerque and Gascogne. Both play more as traditional bbs, than as battecruisers. The 1st, Dunkerque, for obvious reasons, is very tanky for its tier (6), the second, is known for its secondaries and need to expose its own flanks to bring both fore and aft turrets to bear.

If you want to experience more battlecruiser play, then the tech tree Lyon, with a premium camo, would make a far better choice. Or go RN, and buy the Hood, the epitomy of what a battlecruiser was expected to be, when launched. Also, Kongo, (another ship built in the UK), is also commonly considered to be a battlecruiser, there are numerous premium variants of it in game. Graf Spee, is the closest German quivalent to a battlecruising premuim ship, although others would argue that Scharnhorst can also fill that role, the only BB that can dd!

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15 minutes ago, FlakKnight said:

I think I'm going to start down this line as I find my distaste for BBs was mostly caused by the KM line and the capabilities of the French BBs as quasi-BCs (esp Rep) seem more up my alley.  I'd kind of like a captain trainer while grinding credits, however, most people seem to be critical of both the Dunquerke and Gascogne.  Is there any value there?  Should I just suck it up and wait for the JB and hope it's FXP?

I'd say both are pretty middle of the line. Dunkerque is a fun bow tanking champ, and gascogne has plenty of fun features and gimmicks that make her a treat to play (fast repair party, good secondary, engine boost). 

 

However I feel like Jean Bart will make both the premiums look like trash. I have very high hopes for her

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The nice thing about the French BB line is that you can grind tiers 6, 7 and 8 in operations. Richelieu is better than Gascogne in my opinion.

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8 minutes ago, _1204_ said:

I'd say both are pretty middle of the line. Dunkerque is a fun bow tanking champ, and gascogne has plenty of fun features and gimmicks that make her a treat to play (fast repair party, good secondary, engine boost). 

 

However I feel like Jean Bart will make both the premiums look like trash. I have very high hopes for her

Dunkerque has 25mm of bow armor, so anyone who thinks she is good at bow tanking is horribly mistaken.  Anything above 380mm overmatches her bow, making her susceptible to bow overpens from some T6 BBs and above.  Her speed and agility are far more valuable in battle than parking stationary or reverse bow tanking.

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Dunkerque is also good at surprising enemies with her secondaries when she turns and starts shooting over her shoulder.

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I got Dunk cheap and hardly play it. As stated the bow gets overmatched so its not really a tanker. Even more frustrating is the shotgun accuracy combined with the standard 28 second reload. It also has zero AA at a tier that is reasonably popular for carriers. It is fast and maneuverable though which makes it decent in Ops which is all I really do with it.

Gascan looks a lot more rewarding for damage, is also fast and maneuverable, and has good secondaries and AA, but the turret placement turned me off. Didn't really think it was worth $50 mostly because I already have Kii and Alabama.

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Gascogne can do pretty decent even bottom-tier, just need to know when to close the distance for the secondaries.  It has good gun range and accuracy, and you're maneuverable enough to avoid shells from the heavier ships.  Keep the ship moving as much as possible and max out Repair with SuperIntendent.

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Thanks all, sounds like the Dunk isn't worth bothering with as a T6 but Gascogne is passable for a T8 with a few flaws.  The anniversary duo package is somewhat tempting so I may see how I do with the tech tree T6+ and make the plunge this weekend if it's favorable.  At the least the Gascogne should be a good position trainer for using the Repub given the A-X turret setup.

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Prem French BBs? Meh. Gascan is mediocre. Dunk has good guns and can work, but average at best.

Good Premium French? De Grasse.

Aigle is not bad. Strong, and works like a mini Khab, but it is not for everyone as it has a high skill floor.

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Since DeGrasse was mentioned I'll second that.   I'm a below average player in my opinion but I do very well with the De Grasse.  It is fast, nimble, quick shooting, easy to aim and hit AND has torps.   Really a great all around cruiser.   I'll also plug the Tech Tree French BB Lyon as it can be devasting when you can land a broadside from it.

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I didn't even think to recommend DeGrasse, much as it is among my favorites of the cruisers (and an awesome custom flag to boot).  Definitely a great buy and can help with the credits and training.  I just bought the Lyon yesterday and have been doing nice damage with it.  Just need to get used to the guns and landing a few more citadels.

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I wouldn't recommend Dunkerque and Gascogne.

 

1.  Dunkeke is in Tier VI and Tier VI gets hosed big time by MM, frequently staring at Tier VII-VIII ships that will crush her with ease.

 

2.  Gas Can is horrible, Richelieu is better.  The turret arrangement is also comically bad.  Mind you, Republique has the same turret arrangement as Gas Can, but Republique fires very fast and sports respectably sized 430mm guns.

 

All BB Lines have Pro's & Con's to them.  When you work up the French BB Line, you'll like the bit more consistent guns.  However, you lose the German BBs' turtlebacks and you will find that French BBa are highly susceptible to HE damage.  The best plating French BBs get on their hulls is 32mm, even in High Tier.  203mm without IFHE, 152mm with IFHE will penetrate those 32mm decks, bows, hull sides for reliable damage.  German BBs?  They often have 50mm decks.  Yes, they catch fire, but they suffer less raw HE damage.  French and RN BBs share this common love for 32mm and they both get eaten up by HE real good.  They also will be eating BB AP with that abundance of 32mm.

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I picked up the Gascogne and I'm fairly happy overall.  I have had excellent success flanking with it damage/credit wise, but it simply can't carry very well.  That said, with normal T8 MM that's not really abnormal rocking most T8 BBs.  I don't think I'd recommend it unless you like the play style, but you can make the low dpm work if you play it right and exploit flanks.

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On 8/31/2018 at 11:28 AM, FlakKnight said:

I think I'm going to start down this line as I find my distaste for BBs was mostly caused by the KM line and the capabilities of the French BBs as quasi-BCs (esp Rep) seem more up my alley.  I'd kind of like a captain trainer while grinding credits, however, most people seem to be critical of both the Dunquerke and Gascogne.  Is there any value there?  Should I just suck it up and wait for the JB and hope it's FXP?

If you watch and read the guides on how to use Dunkuque it can be a decent ship, have seen them even recently doing well enough in battle. It was designed after all to be fast enough to chase down Graf Spee and have heavy enough armor and weapons to be a Battleship. And the 8 main guns in forwards configuration  givies it bow on firepower great than any ship at tier, or any tier until you go up to tier 8. although granted there are other ships that have heavier broadside firepower, Dunquerke does have like I said the good bow on firepower, but lacks the rear guns which is something some players don’t like since if you have to flee the enemy you can’t cover your retreat with main gun fire in French BBs like Dunkerque.

The new Jean Bart is supposed to be good as well. Have heard mixed messages about Gascogne.

Not sure exactly why you don’t like the German BBs, but to each their own I guess lol. Without variety in taste things would get boring after all right? 

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If I may ask, what was it about the KMS line that caused so much distaste?

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This replay should show off the capabilities of the Dunkerque in a bottom tier match.  Note that the Dunkerque has HE shells rivaling that of tier 8 or higher.  Since Dunkerque can bow tank 14" and lower, she get exponentially more powerful in the late game.

 

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2 hours ago, Ranari said:

If I may ask, what was it about the KMS line that caused so much distaste?

Poor accuracy mostly, but also play style vs meta.  Being in a slow ship that wants to brawl vs a bunch of power crept faster ships that want to run away or spam HE behind an island is not a great situation.  Even then, the Tirpitz and Gneisenau only dominate brawls with torps in play, something you lose at T8, otherwise they're just playing for parity.

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Hey

I must be an odd duck as I absolutely love the Gascogne and have said many time that I have more games over 100K with it than any other ship I own.  More than Richelieu, Alabama, Bismarck. Tirpitz, Monarch, Kii.  But it does take a certain aggressive playstyle and a willingness to take chances to get the most of it.  I really don't mind being up-tired in it either.  I started out with the German BB lines, so I guess I enjoy brawling and the GasCan can do well in brawling if played right.  Many higher tier ships have died to my guns by under estimating her ability to pen ships up close and with the speed boost, ramming can be fun if your running out of health.

I also have the Dunkerque and it's a decent boat but can be frustrating in the consistency department getting the AP to behave and the HE while good can be a little wonky as well.  At T6, she is good but it's not a lower tier Richelieu either.  I prefer my Warspite at T6, or my Bayern for that matter.  Think of Dunkerque as a battlecruiser and not a real BB.  She is fast but fragile on the sides and her AA is kind of weak.

 

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dunq good

gas no

JB heck ya (in current state)

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Gascogne is a weird but fun ship. She needs a fleet. Playing solo she won’t do well. I team up with other bbs offering good AA and dd escort with her excellent secondaries. It’s hard to put both main turrets on target without showing way too much broadside. I have racked up 350 secondary hits in her. Push too hard or fast and back to port

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