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So just out of curiosity which T6 battleship would you keep above all others? 

I've played Fuso, Warspite, QE, Normandie, Dunk, Bayern but not the American line.  

Currently have the Dunk and QE, but getting ready to move up in the RN line to the King George.  Not sure I'll keep the QE and I've gotten rid of the Warspite.

I'm debating getting back either the Fuso or Normandie, I enjoyed both of them, but if there is a clear better choice eh, who knows.

Thoughts?

PS: really just want it for scenarios and occasional t6 play. 

 

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I kept 

- Stock Bayern for the looks

- Fusō because it is a fuso :-)

- Mutsu because I like dreadnoughts 

- Dunkerque because she looks nice and has great speed and pen 

- going to add Prinz Eitel Friedrich to the list when she comes out 

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Of the ones you have, Dunk and Warspite for me are the best.

Personally for me if I could keep only one (and I have them all) it would be the Arizona but its a hard choice because I like most of them, except for Bayern.

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You sold a premium Warspite?(you said you got rid of it, assuming that means sold it!). Never sell premiums, they could get buffed, your playstyle might change and you become better at playing it.

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Only recently getting into BBs, but so far have kept the QE and take it out here and then.  Good guns, and I don't think people realize it's one with good AP. :Smile_izmena:

I still have the Bayern which comes out now and again, but currently on the French BB line and quite liking the Normandie.  I'll probably keep since it does ok even bottom tier.

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Both Bayern and Warspite are fun, especially Bayern that can deal with being uptiered (which, trust me, happens a lot) just fine with overmatching 15-inch guns and solid armor impervious to full Cruiser HE pens and BB AP overmatch.

Normandie is definetly a keeper. IMO she's one of the strongest battleship tier for tier, and definitively the strongest tier 6 battleship. Speed, reliable armor, handsome artillery, maneuverbility, she has it all. Gun arcs and concealment leaves something to be desired, but if players can get around that, Normandie can always deliver thrilling games.

Fuso has never been bad, she might not be the best, but who can say no to 12 IJN 14-inch guns?

The rest depends heavily on personal playstyle and preferences. For example Mutsu have a very fearsome artillery suite, and a situational but powerful torpedo armament, but her armor leaves so much to be desired, plus she has an actually hitable citadel. That is hard to come by these days. QE IMO isn't worth keeping. If you want to spam HE just move on to KGV, if you want to shove AP Warspite is better in every way, but I've heard a lot about people liking them...

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The Fuso is scary no matter what you're doing with it, Randoms or Scenarios.  She's my keeper with nasty AP that deals punishment if you sneak a full broadside salvo into a battle.

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Mutsu, the Queen of tier 6 BBs.  Thanks to her 410s, she even holds her own just fine in tier 8 fights.  As top tier, shes unstoppable.

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If you like that super-heavy-armored-dreadnought playstyle (i.e., Bayern), consider the American premium USS Arizona.  I got mine from a super container, but it's an amazing ship. 

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Thanks for the input,  and yes I did sell the Warspite, I had gotten it in a Christmas container and no matter what I did nor how hard I tried I just could not "like" that ship..  And I needed a port slot.. 

I really enjoyed the Fuso, and struggled with selling it but needed some credits for another build..  Same for the Normandie.  Have not played the Mustu or any of the American BB's.  I think i'll save them, American BB's,  for the next "line" to go up..

I liked the Bayern, but got both the Scharnhorst and Tirpitz in Christmas containers, I'm good with both of those in the German line.

hmm.. choices..

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I've kept QE. I'm on the fence about Fuso. New Mexico is a good ship but slow, and my Arizona makes it superfluous - then again, the same could be said for QE and my Warspite. I'm definitely planning on getting PEF.

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I like where T6 BBs are compared to other tiers. All are competitive and different from each other.

NM is probably my favorite, though I do best with Normandie. But if you're going to use them for a lot of ops where AA can be important, Bayern and QE are probably best. Though Bayern can benefit from a lot of the CQB that happens against bots with her secondaries, QE's 15 inchers are significantly more accurate. And in those rare instances when you need to resort to HE with her, QE has the best.

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Fuso was the only Tech Tree Non-CV that kept up with Premium ships Arizona and Warspite in Ranked.  VI Ranked was very much a BB-DD affair and BBs were having a contest as to who could blap the most in VI Ranked.  Fuso was the only tech tree BB turning in as good a performance as those 2 listed Premiums.  These 3 BBs were ripping people apart in Ranked.  It was so bad for Cruisers due to Battleships, the only Cruisers that did well had DD-like stealth and smoke:  Perth and Leander.  Every other Cruiser, Budyonny, Molotov, La Gal / De Grasse, Nurrnberg, long ranged specialists or not, even Old Tier VI Cleveland, were getting torn apart by those BBs.  If the Destroyers did not stop the Battleships, those BBs literally just went around blasting Cruisers left and right out of existence.  Fuso with her mass of guns, reload speed, accuracy, range, was very dangerous.

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20 hours ago, S16_Hunter said:

Thanks for the input,  and yes I did sell the Warspite, I had gotten it in a Christmas container and no matter what I did nor how hard I tried I just could not "like" that ship..  And I needed a port slot.. 

I really enjoyed the Fuso, and struggled with selling it but needed some credits for another build..  Same for the Normandie.  Have not played the Mustu or any of the American BB's.  I think i'll save them, American BB's,  for the next "line" to go up..

I liked the Bayern, but got both the Scharnhorst and Tirpitz in Christmas containers, I'm good with both of those in the German line.

hmm.. choices..

Lol.  You’ll probably get it again from a super container or next years Christmas containers.

if you kept warspite you would get a different premium ship or if you have all the premium ships, you would get enough gold to get more than one port slot.

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3 hours ago, wtfovr said:

Lol.  You’ll probably get it again from a super container or next years Christmas containers.

if you kept warspite you would get a different premium ship or if you have all the premium ships, you would get enough gold to get more than one port slot

Most likely..  Sometimes you just have a ship that does not work, Warpsite was one of those for me.  I had trouble with Nagato, sold it bought it back and FINALLY figured it out at least enough to not pull my hair out when playing. 

So my re-purchase is actually down to the Fuso or Normandie.   Just got the KG(much fun here) and the QE is gone.. I may end up missing the AA but.. trade offs always happen.

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If you're talking about tech tree BBs only, Fuso all the way. She's kind of a clumsy BB due to turning radius, but if you can make higher tier BBs work she is simple to sail.

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On 8/29/2018 at 10:16 AM, The_first_harbinger said:

Both Bayern and Warspite are fun, especially Bayern that can deal with being uptiered (which, trust me, happens a lot) just fine with overmatching 15-inch guns and solid armor impervious to full Cruiser HE pens and BB AP overmatch.

Normandie is definetly a keeper. IMO she's one of the strongest battleship tier for tier, and definitively the strongest tier 6 battleship. Speed, reliable armor, handsome artillery, maneuverbility, she has it all. Gun arcs and concealment leaves something to be desired, but if players can get around that, Normandie can always deliver thrilling games.

Fuso has never been bad, she might not be the best, but who can say no to 12 IJN 14-inch guns?

The rest depends heavily on personal playstyle and preferences. For example Mutsu have a very fearsome artillery suite, and a situational but powerful torpedo armament, but her armor leaves so much to be desired, plus she has an actually hitable citadel. That is hard to come by these days. QE IMO isn't worth keeping. If you want to spam HE just move on to KGV, if you want to shove AP Warspite is better in every way, but I've heard a lot about people liking them...

  I'd have to agree with Normandie- BUT- with one caviat:

  For Operations, Normandie has CRAP AA- as in the worst of any tier 6 BB I have.   So not really a selling point for ops, considering they ALL feature carriers.  (who, like all bots, love to latch onto on random ships, and harass them relentlessly.)

  Bayern is okay, but imo overmatch is overrated- especially combined with the horrible accuracy most German BB's are saddled with.  I did alright in it, but it just felt...generic to me.  I haven't played it much since I researched Gneieanau.

 QE got sold the instant I earned enough to get KGV.  It was just the Queen of slow...

 Arizona is a lot of fun, but- like Normandie, it's AA is quite poor.  It also suffers badly when uptiered- as it's usually the slowest ship on the map by a good 10 kts, lol.   Big maps, and chasing the battle because all the fast ships charged thataway aren't a lot of fun in a ship this slow.   When you do get to mix it up, 'Zona can be a beast!  It's guns are pretty accurate, and it's tankier than New Mex.

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Tier 6 BBs were fun.

I'd say my favourites were Warspite/QE and Bayern. 

Both are fun brawlers with AFT. Manual secondaries on Bayern for higher tier German BBs.

QE's AA is actually very good at T6. Good AP.

Fuso's guns and range are fantastic, brutal against everything showing broadside.

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18 hours ago, Fletcher7_1944 said:

  I'd have to agree with Normandie- BUT- with one caviat:

  For Operations, Normandie has CRAP AA- as in the worst of any tier 6 BB I have.   So not really a selling point for ops, considering they ALL feature carriers.  (who, like all bots, love to latch onto on random ships, and harass them relentlessly.)

  Bayern is okay, but imo overmatch is overrated- especially combined with the horrible accuracy most German BB's are saddled with.  I did alright in it, but it just felt...generic to me.  I haven't played it much since I researched Gneieanau.

 QE got sold the instant I earned enough to get KGV.  It was just the Queen of slow...

 Arizona is a lot of fun, but- like Normandie, it's AA is quite poor.  It also suffers badly when uptiered- as it's usually the slowest ship on the map by a good 10 kts, lol.   Big maps, and chasing the battle because all the fast ships charged thataway aren't a lot of fun in a ship this slow.   When you do get to mix it up, 'Zona can be a beast!  It's guns are pretty accurate, and it's tankier than New Mex.

Eh, I have played the Arizona since the very day she came out, and honestly, she's good still, but nowhere near how good she was at release. She's my most played ship, but honestly, she's really hit-or-miss, feast-or-famine.

 

Positioning can make or break a battle in AZ, true enough, but it's not enough by itself to carry a game. AZ is, in my experience, absolutely TERRIBLE at carrying unless the enemy team come to her. When she has to go on the offense to win, she loses. When her team falls apart and leaves her alone, she loses. When she's being chased by competently driven HE-spamming cruisers(with IFHE) she loses. When she's being targeted by a CV(any CV really, but bonus points if it's something insane like a FREAKING KAGA),you guessed itshe loses.

 

Bayern as a whole is an insane ship, quite honestly. When dispersion ISN'T giving you a middle finger(as it sometimes does) and a good portion of shells strike home, Bayern's 15 inch AP salvos utterly, UTTERLY devastate. I've gotten regularly 15-20k salvos at times.

 

But(there is a but).... .... now is not a good time to play Bayern. The teams, well, they are trash and die easily, leaving you alone against HE-spamming Cruisers. Bayern catches fire like no other Tier VI BB, and Tier V and Tier VI HE-spamming cruisers are everywhere. Heaven help you if you have to deal(alone) with a Helena or(155, but isn't that what everyone takes anyway?) Mogami, even a Tier VIII Cleveland. Bayern farms Dallas s for breakfast, but that's really about the only Cruiser Bayern easily nukes. If you have a full-on survivability build, Bayern is better,(the survivability issue is almost resolved) but still not really an ideal carrying ship. Don't get me wrong, she can do it(a good enough player can carry in nearly anything), but it takes getting a heck of a lot more luck than I would bet on.

 

Queen Elizabeth, I have not played, but I suspect the problem is that she needs Jack Dunkirk's improved Expert Marksman to have an acceptable turret traverse. Other than that, the only thing she stands out for is A, fragility(nothing new really, Fuso's even worse, and Warspite, of the same class of BB, is just as bad) and B, excellent AA.

 

Normandie I am still grinding towards.

 

New Mexico I am still grinding towards.

 

Fuso is a beast when top or middle tier, but when bottom tier, she is mostly just cannonfodder. Nearly everyone can overmatch her bow from Tier VII onwards(with a few exceptions), and those that can't usually have the speed to get around her and get shots at her super-vulnerable citadel(Scharnhorst, Lyon) or have enough pen on their main guns/ enough guns to do consistent(and considerable) penetration damage(Lyon).

 

Against Tier VIIIs, she can be penned reliably from pretty much any angle, and she's too big, too slow-to-turn, and too slow to dodge any shells, so from the moment a Fuso gets targeted by a Tier VIII BB, Fuso captains know they are going to go down, it's only a matter of time. It's WHEN, not IF, they are going to sink.

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On 8/29/2018 at 7:43 AM, Hatework said:

Mutsu, the Queen of tier 6 BBs.  Thanks to her 410s, she even holds her own just fine in tier 8 fights.  As top tier, shes unstoppable.

I have an Arizona and a New Mexico that might have something to say about that. In my opinion all the tier 6 BBs are keepers. I haven’t played Mutsu or Normandie but I also haven’t heard bad things so I’m sure they are good too. It all comes down to personal preference really. 

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IMO:

Good: Arizona, Warspite, Fuso, Normandie

Meh: Bayern, Dunkerque, QE (compared to Warspite), New Mexico (compared to Arizona), Mutsu.

Dunkerque is best when facing ships max her tier, but she folds hard against 15 or 16 inch guns, so that's why she went from Good to Meh in my books ... she's simply not that competitive when uptiered. May as well just stick to Normandie now with her extra turret and better AA. IMO, Dunkerque needs a bit of a buff.

Also, you sold Warspite??? Are you mad? That ship is *amazing*!

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