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Earths climate has been changing from the very beginning and will continue to do so regardless of what we do. Our actions though will effect the rate of change for the good or the bad. We should be doing everything we can to slow the rate and stop doing the things we do that can hasten the rate. In any case though the climate will change and will continue to do so long after we humans cease to exist. 

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6 hours ago, AVR_Project said:

The 'Carbon Budget' is some political nightmare contrived to make money off this crisis.

Fact is that my first post in this thread, 50 minutes in, tells you how to defeat this system -- and alter it considerably.   To the purist scientists, it's like using an aiming hack.

I am saying, since the vid is about 10 years old, that IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.  Not necessarily the USA, but someone has done those things to alter the Earth's ecosphere.  Surprise is that they are so easy and cheap to do.

At CO2=408, we should be seeing some melting of the permafrost in the arctic...   AND WE ARE SEEING THIS.. 

My conclusion is that some entity took action to alter those doomsday numbers.

 

 

Or, just as the Little Ice Age was a natural event, the warming that occurred after the Little Ice Age and the recent pause in global warming are both natural events. 

 

Astrophysicist and meteorologist Piers Corbyn has a prediction success rate of roughly 85%...better than any of the "man made" climate change activists and proponents in the field of climate science. He obtained a first-class honours degree in physics at Imperial College London. He's not your everyday weatherman: the conspicuously displayed photocopy of a check for £2,291 hanging on the wall. Unique among meteorologists, Corbyn bets on his forecasts. Unusual among bettors of any stripe, he wins regularly. The check on the wall is a payout from London bookmaker William Hill on one of their monthly bets. It is said book makers will not take his bets any longer for fear of losing. On Dec. 27, 2010  Piers Corbyn predicted Europe's winter of discontent. Corbyn is well known for his opposition to the idea of anthropogenic global warming.

 

 

 Piers Corbyn, August 8th 2018:   "The Claim that The North hemisphere is in some sort of heatwave covering half the globe or the world as a whole is 'baking' are deliberate lies intended to brainwash the public. The fraudulent claims ignore the fact that West Europe & The British Isles are only a small fraction of the globe and ignore cold weather in many places including the coldest ever recorded temperatures in parts of Russia. The actual facts about the North Hemisphere (NH) on July 30 according to satellite data (map below) is the NH (sea and land) is very close to normal and the NH land in particular is 0.2C BELOW NORMAL.

The world as a whole is estimated as +0.32C above normal which is 0.43C BELOW the peak in 1998 or 0.14C below the smoothed out (moving average) value of 1998. The warmth of the Southern Hemisphere is however largely fake because it includes the notably less cold than normal West Antarctica which is heated by undersea volcanoes which have powered-up world-wide as we move deeper into the new Mini-Ice-Age. Historically volcanism increases in Mini-Ice-Ages."

http://weatheraction.com/

Anomalous Arctic Sea Ice Melting Fueled by Geological Heat Flow, Not “Global Warming”
http://www.plateclimatology.com/anomalous-arctic-sea-ice-melting-fueled-by-geological-heat-flow-not-global-warming/

Scientists discover 91 volcanoes below Antarctic ice sheet
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/12/scientists-discover-91-volcanos-antarctica

Heat source under Antarctica could be melting giant ice caps
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/979895/Volcano-eruption-climate-change-antarctica-melting-ice-caps-Pine-Island-Glacier

 

Back in the early 2000s, I think it was, there was national headline news about a huge sea ice sheet that had broken off and of course the news articles blamed human caused global warming. What didn't make national headline news was what scientists discovered several months later when they went to explore what the see floor had been like under an ice sheet. First they discovered at depth warmer than expected temperatures then they discovered an active volcano.  Around the same time there were headlines about the loss of ice on the Arctic ice cap. What didn't make headlines several months later was a report that researchers had discovered rather than the ice melting, the winds had blown some ice away from the ice cap and moved it to the northern shore of Canada. 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Klaatu_Nicto said:

 

Or, just as the Little Ice Age was a natural event, the warming that occurred after the Little Ice Age and the recent pause in global warming are both natural events. 

 

Astrophysicist and meteorologist Piers Corbyn has a prediction success rate of roughly 85%...better than any of the "man made" climate change activists and proponents in the field of climate science. He obtained a first-class honours degree in physics at Imperial College London. He's not your everyday weatherman: the conspicuously displayed photocopy of a check for £2,291 hanging on the wall. Unique among meteorologists, Corbyn bets on his forecasts. Unusual among bettors of any stripe, he wins regularly. The check on the wall is a payout from London bookmaker William Hill on one of their monthly bets. It is said book makers will not take his bets any longer for fear of losing. On Dec. 27, 2010  Piers Corbyn predicted Europe's winter of discontent. Corbyn is well known for his opposition to the idea of anthropogenic global warming.

 

 

 Piers Corbyn, August 8th 2018:   "The Claim that The North hemisphere is in some sort of heatwave covering half the globe or the world as a whole is 'baking' are deliberate lies intended to brainwash the public. The fraudulent claims ignore the fact that West Europe & The British Isles are only a small fraction of the globe and ignore cold weather in many places including the coldest ever recorded temperatures in parts of Russia. The actual facts about the North Hemisphere (NH) on July 30 according to satellite data (map below) is the NH (sea and land) is very close to normal and the NH land in particular is 0.2C BELOW NORMAL.

The world as a whole is estimated as +0.32C above normal which is 0.43C BELOW the peak in 1998 or 0.14C below the smoothed out (moving average) value of 1998. The warmth of the Southern Hemisphere is however largely fake because it includes the notably less cold than normal West Antarctica which is heated by undersea volcanoes which have powered-up world-wide as we move deeper into the new Mini-Ice-Age. Historically volcanism increases in Mini-Ice-Ages."

http://weatheraction.com/

Anomalous Arctic Sea Ice Melting Fueled by Geological Heat Flow, Not “Global Warming”
http://www.plateclimatology.com/anomalous-arctic-sea-ice-melting-fueled-by-geological-heat-flow-not-global-warming/

Scientists discover 91 volcanoes below Antarctic ice sheet
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/12/scientists-discover-91-volcanos-antarctica

Heat source under Antarctica could be melting giant ice caps
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/979895/Volcano-eruption-climate-change-antarctica-melting-ice-caps-Pine-Island-Glacier

 

Back in the early 2000s, I think it was, there was national headline news about a huge sea ice sheet that had broken off and of course the news articles blamed human caused global warming. What didn't make national headline news was what scientists discovered several months later when they went to explore what the see floor had been like under an ice sheet. First they discovered at depth warmer than expected temperatures then they discovered an active volcano.  Around the same time there were headlines about the loss of ice on the Arctic ice cap. What didn't make headlines several months later was a report that researchers had discovered rather than the ice melting, the winds had blown some ice away from the ice cap and moved it to the northern shore of Canada. 

Hate to say this, but all bets are off now.

Yes, there were volcanoes under the ice sheet, but they were there before, and the slightly warmer temperatures tipped the balance.  By the way, that ice sheet that broke off Larson B in the Antarctic was 10,000 years old.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larsen_Ice_Shelf

I think Larson B was the big scare that got everyone scurrying around like scared rats.  And as such..   These scared rats did something.

If these processes actually are natural, cyclic, and ultimately harmless.....  Then the reaction I claim to have occurred may be a problem...  like when a 'Little Ice Age" becomes a big one by accident.

Or maybe it's working.  After all, the CO2 levels are still going up.

..................

Kind of like when folks complain about the days getting shorter around this time of year.

I propose we get a team together and try out different methods to slow or even stop this.  If we work hard, we might get it by.. say...  December 21st.

After that, we will get to work making the days longer..  not drastically..  just a few minutes a day until next summer.

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6 hours ago, Klaatu_Nicto said:

I thought I posted this yesterday but I don't see it. Whenever there is a warm event it makes headline news but when there is a cold event you don't hear about it in the mainstream media. Here is a sample from the past couple of years of the news the mainstream media does not give you.  I don't update this file regularly so this is not all there is. 

  Reveal hidden contents

2018 - DNR reports 98 percent white shrimp loss following January's cold snap
https://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/Eat/archives/2018/02/26/scndr-reports-98-percent-white-shrimp-loss-following-januarys-cold-snap

2018 - As marina thaws, a bounty of frozen shad appear
http://www.thehawkeye.com/news/20180225/as-marina-thaws-bounty-of-frozen-shad-appear

2018 - Extreme cold results in severe agricultural damage across Europe, food prices rising
https://watchers.news/2018/03/05/extreme-cold-results-in-severe-agricultural-damage-across-europe-food-prices-rising/

2018 - Extreme Cold May Have Damaged Winter Wheat
http://www.farmfutures.com/wheat/extreme-cold-may-have-damaged-winter-wheat

2017 - We Lost the Western Kansas Wheat Crop
http://www.agriculture.com/news/crops/we-lost-the-western-kansas-wheat-crop-this-weekend

2017 - Beef Prices Soar After Late April Blizzard Clobbers Midwest
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-02/cattle-futures-beef-price-soar-after-blizzard-clobbers-midwest

2017 - Wheat Futures Surge After Snow Slams U.S. Crop
https://www.agweb.com/agday/article/wheat-futures-surge-after-snow-slams-us-crop-blmg/

Mammoth's First Snow Of The Season Comes One Month Early.
http://www.latimes.com/travel/deals/la-tr-mammoth-snow-20170921-story.html

California Skiers hit Slopes In September, And All Summer
http://www.sfgate.com/snow-ski/article/summer-skiing-california-ski-snow-conditions-12213225.php

Unseasonably chilly August ahead for the eastern two-thirds of the US with 60F lows lasting up to two weeks
The Weather Channel reports that Sunday morning saw record breaking lows in Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee and Indiana. Another cold front is also expected to bring thunderstorms and showers through the central and eastern states early this week.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4766998/Showers-Monday-NYC-higher-temps-later.html

Frozen corn in South Dakota in late June 2017
https://twitter.com/Tyne_Ag/status/879678704976265218
https://twitter.com/JLB04/status/879862168040157188

Cold Spring Temperatures Affect Volumes Of Organic Bananas From Mexico

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/176537/Cold-spring-temperatures-affect-volumes-of-organic-bananas-from-Mexico

Virginia Freeze Leaves Fruit Farmers Questioning Supply Come Harvest

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/10459/Virginia-freeze-leaves-fruit-farmers-questioning-supply-come-harvest

Michigan Freeze Devastates Oceana County Asparagus Crop
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/175177/Michigan-freeze-devastates-Oceana-County-asparagus-crop Over 80%

Loss In Blueberry & Peach Crops After Deep South Freeze
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/172657/Over-80-procent-loss-in-blueberry-and-peach-crops-after-Deep-South-freeze

The worst frost in decades knocks British winemakers off course
https://www.economist.com/news/britain/21721957-yet-long-term-outlook-remains-rosy-worst-frost-decades-knocks-british-winemakers

Severe frosts a bitter blow to WA farmers hoping for record harvest
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-26/wheat-crops-damaged-by-frost-in-wa/7878578

The Frozen Harvest — Images of Alberta’s Ice Storm
https://www.realagriculture.com/2016/10/the-frozen-harvest-images-of-albertas-ice-storm/

Cold weather brings vegetable rationing to Europe
http://heatst.com/world/severe-vegetable-shortage-deprives-europeans-of-spinach-broccoli/

Frost Hits European Fruit And Vegetable Sector Hard
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/174665/Frost-hits-European-fruit-and-vegetable-sector-hard

Trapped in Twillingate: Iced-in crab fishermen need compensation, FFAW says

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/ice-compensation-fisherman-twillingate-1.4076069

Heavy snowfall In Oregon, Idaho, Alaska Is Causing Buildings To Collapse
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/heavy-snowfall-in-oregon-idaho-alaska-is-causing-buildings-to-collapse/

California's Stormy Winter Sets Snowfall Record For Mammoth Resorts — Over 20 Feet In One Month

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-mammoth-snowfall-20170124-story.html

Seattle - The Last Time Winter Was This Cold, Reagan Was President
http://www.king5.com/weather/coldest-western-washington-winter-in-32-years/416994172

Adelaide – Coldest start to winter on record

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-01/adelaide-shivers-through-coldest-start-to-winter/8578150

Snow arrives early in High Country, and brings NSW a wintry blast

http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/snow-arrives-early-in-high-country-and-brings-nsw-a-wintry-blast/news-story/00c3b46f8b3fcfdcf9fabb86312ae7ee

Snow arrives two months early by Thomas Hunter
http://arcticsnap.com/index.php?id=283

Bitterly cold start as overnight temperatures plunge below freezing

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/94068892/bitterly-cold-start-as-overnight-temperatures-plunge-below-freezing

Brazil: Winter starts two months early - Crop losses recorded.

http://www.correiodopovo.com.br/Noticias/Geral/2017/4/616330/Vacaria-e-Bom-Jesus-registram-temperatura-de-2,4C-no-Rio-Grande-do-Sul-

Argentina – Snowfall causes heavy losses for vine crops
http://supercampo.perfil.com/2016/09/grave-panorama-en-la-rioja-tras-la-ultima-nevada/

Argentina – Surprise snow in spring
http://www.elpatagonico.com/nieve-primavera-mira-el-video-registrado-manantiales-behr-n1511170

Temperatures far below normal in South Africa
http://www.freddofili.it/14163-pesanti-nevicate-freddo-arrivo-sud-africa/

 

 

The revealed hidden contents I posted above were not things I went searching for. I came across them in the various webs sites and youtube channels I frequent.  A little while ago I decided to do something different to update my "Climate News" file so I did a google search for summer snow 2018. I already knew I would find something about summer snow in Canada. Here is what I found in the first few pages of the search results.
 

Spoiler

August 18, 2018 - Summer Snow Falls At Arapahoe Basin, More Possible This Weekend
A relatively chilly (by August standards) storm system moving through the region this weekend could produce more light snow above 13,000 feet.
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/08/18/summer-snow-falls-in-colorado/

July 13, 2018 - Late Snowpack Signals a Lost Summer for Greenland’s Shorebirds
The tundra was 100 percent covered in snow and it was a very deep layer
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/late-snowpack-signals-a-lost-summer-for-greenlands-shorebirds/

June 27, 2018 - Record-breaking summer snow blankets Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada
https://watchers.news/2018/06/27/summer-snow-newfoundland-labrador-june-2018/

June 24, 2018 - Summer snow blankets Poland/Ukraine
http://notrickszone.com/2018/06/24/wheres-the-warming-summer-snow-blankets-poland-ukraine-27-summer-camp-children-evacuated/comment-page-1/

June 22, 2018 - Record amount of snow may last the whole summer in northern Sweden
https://www.thelocal.se/20180627/record-amount-of-snow-may-survive-the-whole-summer-in-northern-sweden

Jun 11, 2018 - It's June, but one Alaska community just got half a foot of snow
http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Its-June-in-Alaska-but-one-community-just-got-half-a-foot-of-snow-485171481.html

June 11, 2018 - Summer solstice is approaching, but snow piled up across the Northwest this weekend
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2018/06/11/summer-solstice-is-approaching-but-snow-piled-up-across-northwest-this-weekend/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.054b2970f314

June 1, 2018 - Snowstorms Hit Major Russian Cities on First Day of Summer
Multiple Russians regions have been struck by anomalously cold weather
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201806011065008403-russian-summer-snowfall/

March 23, 2018 - It’s snowing in Seattle
Will be slightly cooler than usual for this time of year
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/weather/spring-is-not-summer-thats-for-sure-its-snowing-in-seattle-and-thunderstorms-could-be-next/

March 1, 2018 'This is a crisis': Brutal winter has cattle struggling to survive
Montana's memorable winter is making life miserable for ranchers whose cattle are struggling to survive in the deep snow, bitter temperatures and wind, particularly on the Blackfeet Reservation where significant losses are expected.
https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2018/03/01/significant-weather-related-cattle-losses-expected-blackfeet-reservation-montana/385388002/

 

That article about snow in Seattle in March of this year was of special interest to me since I've lived in the Seattle area since the 1950s. Even in the middle of winter snow is not common so snow in March is very rare and this was followed by the 2016/17 winter being our coldest winter in 30 years. There's more too.   My Puget Sound Energy bills show the average temperature for the current billing period and the same billing period the previous year which I never paid attention to until July 2016. Here is what my bills issued in early July show for the past four years in the Seattle area.
2015 - 70 degrees
2016 - 61 degrees
2017 - 64 degrees
2018 - 63 degrees

My bill that arrived in early August this year shows last year 69 degrees and this year 71 degrees so we did gain a couple of degrees but I don't know offhand how that compares to previous years. While I've been paying attention to average temperatures on my bills since 2016, July is the only bill I've been keeping a record of. All I can about it right now is some of the temps are up and some are down. 

 

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Here is some graphed temperature data for Portland, Oregon. Note that recently the temperature, in general, has been going up. Those who would push a "global warming" agenda will use the past 40 years of data and say the sky is falling. However, when you look at the past 120 years you will see that temperature rises and falls in a cyclical pattern.

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I don't even have to look at any data to understand that the local climate in the country in which I was raised and in which I now reside once again is cyclical.

During the late 1800s this place seemed a mecca for homesteading and drew in several thousand would-be farmers. Twenty-five years later a drought hit and the population of the county dropped to about 500. Then the weather patterns changed and people moved back in, only to get caught up in the Dust Bowl a few decades alter, which saw most of them them move out again.

When my family moved here in the 60s it rained all the time and in the winters I can remember sledding in deep snow nearly every week. When I got out of the Army the area was in a drought again and I can recall coming back from college to work a summer job and cutting down dead trees one month when every day was over 100 degrees and the temperature peaked at 113. I drank two to three gallons of water each day on that job. It didn't rain for 8 months that year.

Last year we got over 25 inches of rain (much higher than the area's average) and it snowed 15 inches in May.  This summer has been unseasonably cool too. We have had only one day over a hundred and well over 15 inches of rain.

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4 hours ago, AVR_Project said:

Hate to say this, but all bets are off now.

Yes, there were volcanoes under the ice sheet, but they were there before, and the slightly warmer temperatures tipped the balance.  By the way, that ice sheet that broke off Larson B in the Antarctic was 10,000 years old.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larsen_Ice_Shelf

I think Larson B was the big scare that got everyone scurrying around like scared rats.  And as such..   These scared rats did something.

If these processes actually are natural, cyclic, and ultimately harmless.....  Then the reaction I claim to have occurred may be a problem...  like when a 'Little Ice Age" becomes a big one by accident.

Or maybe it's working.  After all, the CO2 levels are still going up.

..................

Kind of like when folks complain about the days getting shorter around this time of year.

I propose we get a team together and try out different methods to slow or even stop this.  If we work hard, we might get it by.. say...  December 21st.

After that, we will get to work making the days longer..  not drastically..  just a few minutes a day until next summer.

 

Solar activity is cyclic plus we have the oceanic multi-decadal hot/cold cycles and shorter period hot/cold cycles all of which drive climate and weather. Paleoclimatolgy has given us a good record of these cycles and how past climate and past weather were effected by them. 

These cycles are not harmless. The last two grand solar minimums caused the deaths of tens of millions of people due to starvation and these were people who knew how to live off the land. Based on the historical record, grand solar minimums occur about every 400 years and the last two were about 800 and 400 years ago so we are due for one.  Based on the historical record much good farmland will become too dry or too wet or too cold to grow crops during a grand minimum and we've been seeing that starting happen the past few years. If we are heading into a grand minimum it's severity will be determined by non-solar cycles and on top of that, there does appear to be a correlation that indicates volcanic activity increases during grand solar minimums so you can maybe throw in some major volcanic eruptions would amplify any cooling.

If we do go into a grand minimum and it starts getting colder I'm sure the proponents of the AGW theory will find a way to credit themselves because of any warming mitigation steps taken, or,  if the temperature drops too much they'll come up with a new theory, anthropogenic global cooling, so humans can still be the villains.

 

From 2015 - What civilization experienced during the last grand solar minimum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Klaatu_Nicto said:

 

Solar activity is cyclic plus we have the oceanic multi-decadal hot/cold cycles and shorter period hot/cold cycles all of which drive climate and weather. Paleoclimatolgy has given us a good record of these cycles and how past climate and past weather were effected by them. 

These cycles are not harmless. The last two grand solar minimums caused the deaths of tens of millions of people due to starvation and these were people who knew how to live off the land. Based on the historical record, grand solar minimums occur about every 400 years and the last two were about 800 and 400 years ago so we are due for one.  Based on the historical record much good farmland will become too dry or too wet or too cold to grow crops during a grand minimum and we've been seeing that starting happen the past few years. If we are heading into a grand minimum it's severity will be determined by non-solar cycles and on top of that, there does appear to be a correlation that indicates volcanic activity increases during grand solar minimums so you can maybe throw in some major volcanic eruptions would amplify any cooling.

If we do go into a grand minimum and it starts getting colder I'm sure the proponents of the AGW theory will find a way to credit themselves because of any warming mitigation steps taken, or,  if the temperature drops too much they'll come up with a new theory, anthropogenic global cooling, so humans can still be the villains.

 

From 2015 - What civilization experienced during the last grand solar minimum.

 

But... but... but...   The Little Ice Age was already in progress for many years before this minimum happened.

Hmmmm...  Food for thought:  Could the Industrial Revolution be covering up an in-progress Ice Age ???

So we all clean up out carbon credits and ride solar powered cars and use bicycles...   And we bring the CO2 levels down from 408 PPM to 200 PPM....

Then we realize the horrid truth that we're supposed to be frozen solid.

Sounds credible to me.  Bring on this minimum thingy..  It's just an indicating flag anyway - after the damage is already done.

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4 hours ago, AVR_Project said:

But... but... but...   The Little Ice Age was already in progress for many years before this minimum happened.

Hmmmm...  Food for thought:  Could the Industrial Revolution be covering up an in-progress Ice Age ???

So we all clean up out carbon credits and ride solar powered cars and use bicycles...   And we bring the CO2 levels down from 408 PPM to 200 PPM....

Then we realize the horrid truth that we're supposed to be frozen solid.

Sounds credible to me.  Bring on this minimum thingy..  It's just an indicating flag anyway - after the damage is already done.

 

The Little Ice Age began in the late 1200s/early 1300s AD and brought an end to the Medieval Warm Period which, according to some researchers, was as warm or warmer than today's climate. The late 1200s was the beginning of the grand solar minimum known as the Wolf Minimum.  In the 1600s another grand solar minimum occurred, the Maunder Minimum, which led to the coldest period of the Little Ice Age. Some recent research indicates the Little Ice Age was a worldwide event but the Northern Hemisphere got the worst of it.  

We are currently in an ice age. An ice age is when there are ice sheets in both hemispheres and currently we have ice sheets in the Arctic, Antarctica, and Greenland. We are currently in an 'interglacial period' within an ice age.

Towards the end of the Medieval Warm Period the Vikings had a thriving colony in Greenland. 80% of their food came from the land and 20% from the ocean so you know it had to be warmer than today. What they got from the land slowly decreased while what they got from the sea increased until the fish moved to warmer waters. With little or no food from the land, food from the sea becoming scarce and cut off from the rest of the world by sea ice, they perished. 

The problems with trying to mitigate global warming are 1: there is no empirical evidence to support the theory that human activity has caused the current period of warming and 2: few are taking a serious look at the long term consequences of any mitigation programs implemented which involve spraying substances into our atmosphere. 

Back in the 1970s and 80s, in an effort to stop polluting our atmosphere, many communities ceased incinerating their garbage and instead buried it. Sounds good not pouring all that smoke into our atmosphere. Not so good actually because nobody considered what would occur after the garbage was buried. What occurred was those landfills started emitting methane which is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than C02.  We have at least one study which says spaying aerosols to stop warming by blocking sunlight will harm crop yields and we know these chemicals also decrease rainfall. Is anyone considering what the long term affects of spraying nano-particulates of strontium, barium, and aluminum or sulfur aerosols into our atmosphere are?

What we have is a theory with no empirical evidence to support it versus a long record of earth's climate and a long record of solar activity. The last two records indicate the current most recent warming period is a natural event but that's being ignored and instead they're going to experiment with our atmosphere based on the theory with no empirical evidence. Luckily sanity prevailed in the 1970s so they didn't try to stop global cooling by melting the polar ice caps. Sanity is not prevailing today.

 

The Cooling World
Newsweek Magazine, April 28, 1975

The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree – a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars’ worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.

Meteorologists think that they can forecast the short-term results of the return to the norm of the last century. They begin by noting the slight drop in overall temperature that produces large numbers of pressure centers in the upper atmosphere. These break up the smooth flow of westerly winds over temperate areas. The stagnant air produced in this way causes an increase in extremes of local weather such as droughts, floods, extended dry spells, long freezes, delayed monsoons and even local temperature increases – all of which have a direct impact on food supplies.

Some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve.
https://iseethics.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/the-cooling-world-newsweek-april-28-1975.pdf

 

U.S. and Soviet Press Studies of a Colder Arctic
The New York Times, July 18, 1970

The United States and the Soviet Union are mounting large‐scale investigations to determine why the Arctic climate is becoming more frigid, why parts of the Arctic sea ice have recently become ominously thicker and whether the extent of that ice cover contributes to the onset of ice ages.

Scientists have proposed that, by sprinkling coal dust on the pack, or through other manipulation, it would be possible to melt the ice, open the ocean to navigation and ameliorate the northern climate.

A major puzzle is why climate variations of the last century have been more intense in the Arctic than in lower latitudes. During the half century that ended about 1940 the world climate became warmer, but the effect was particularly marked in such Northern lands as Spitsbergen. Since then there has been a steady cooling.
https://www.nytimes.com/1970/07/18/archives/us-and-soviet-press-studies-of-a-colder-arctic-us-and-soviet-press.html

 

Black Death and Abrupt Earth Changes in the 14th century

The period from 1310-­1350[AD] saw the death of at least 50% of the population of Europe and Asia,  in  some  areas, the accumulated death toll is believed to be in the 75% range.

The early 1300’s did coincide with the first downward spike in temperature and the beginning of Alpine glacier  expansion....but it was not until the early 1600’s that the most devastating effects of the Little Ice Age began to set  in.

The Little Ice Age was the coldest period of time within the last 10,000 years (Holocene), we are still in the  process of re-­approaching average temperatures, that is, global temperatures are still below the baseline of the
Holocene. In short, modern day global warming – if it continued, and continued gradually ­ could constitute an approach to more “normal” temperatures.   
https://abruptearthchanges.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/black-death-and-abrupt-earth-changes-in-the-14th-century-pdf.pdf

btw, in early 1980, while working for Weyerhaeuser at their research lab in Centralia, WA, I had to drive down to Portland in a big truck to pick up some material we needed. While I was in Portland one of those ice storms struck. That was not fun. I was layed-off a couple of weeks before Saint Helens exploded.

I started college planning on becoming an oceanographer and saving the whales but instead I end up saving trees. :Smile_teethhappy:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, AVR_Project said:

Hmmmm...  Food for thought:  Could the Industrial Revolution be covering up an in-progress Ice Age ???

Actually, geologically-speaking, we are currently in an interglacier period of an ice age. The last major ice sheets began to recede in the geological  epoc called the the Pleistocene. The current epoc we call the Holocene. It was only when the climate began to warm about 11,000 years ago that conditions were favorable for hunter-gatherers to stay in one place long enough to develop agriculture, which then led to civilization.

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5 hours ago, Klaatu_Nicto said:

btw, in early 1980, while working for Weyerhaeuser at their research lab in Centralia, WA, I had to drive down to Portland in a big truck to pick up some material we needed. While I was in Portland one of those ice storms struck. That was not fun. I was layed-off a couple of weeks before Saint Helens exploded.

I'd just gone off active duty when that happened so I packed up my pickup and went off to see me a volcano. I got as far as I could using back roads until they too were closed and hiked in as far as I could. The area literally looked like the surface of the moon. A couple of years later, when the roads were opened up more, I hiked clear up to the caldera, which was still smoking. About ten years after that I went back; the area was a tourist destination then and they wouldn't let you get near anything interesting. I used to live in Portland but that was a couple of decades after the eruption. It must have been a sight when it happened though.

I was in Portland about ten years ago when they had that record snowfall. I had fun chaining up my Tacoma and running around pulling people out of drifts. 

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6 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

Actually, geologically-speaking, we are currently in an interglacier period of an ice age. The last major ice sheets began to recede in the geological  epoc called the the Pleistocene. The current epoc we call the Holocene. It was only when the climate began to warm about 11,000 years ago that conditions were favorable for hunter-gatherers to stay in one place long enough to develop agriculture, which then led to civilization.

Back in the 1990s, I became concerned, and personally exhausted all the material I could find on the subject.

My findings then were rather shocking.

The Earth ENERGY model resembles a nuclear reactor slowly throttling down.  Those in the industry know it's not as simple as pulling out rods and the power drops.  It's NOT LINEAR.  There is a staircase of effects and oscillations.

So what's at the center of the Earth?  Geologists call it a THERMAL energy system. 

There is the Earth's crust that forms like a skim over pudding as it cools.  There is the gelatinous mantle underneath that forms like a rubbery ball.  There something like a thick liquid ferro-fluid moving towards the zero gravity core.

And then there is a crystalline core of the planet that rotates slightly faster than the Earth (completing one full advance rotation every 400 years).

Imagine this core..  at IMMENSE physical pressure, at ZERO GRAVITY, providing this planet with heat and energy from the center. 

One can only guess what it calls fuel, but I have come to understand that when the geologists say 'Thermal'..  they mean Thermonuclear.

.....

And all this time, we have been told the Earth is slowly cooling down since It was formed...   Well, it's a bit more complicated than that.

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The only undisputed fact about global warming / climate change is that it has made Al Gore an extremely wealthy man.

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4 minutes ago, 6thGuards said:

The only undisputed fact about global warming / climate change is that it has made Al Gore an extremely wealthy man.

I actually read his book. It was written at an 8th-grade level and didn't contain anything that you couldn't find on the Internet in ten minutes of searching. The fact that he got a Nobel for it, and later that Obama also got one for absolutely nothing, made me pretty much consider the Peace Prize as worthless fluff. I've heard that Gore's book was ghostwritten too, which is not unusual. Most of the "famous" quotes by presidents were actually thought up by their speechwriters.

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Whether one believes in global warming or not, it is nevertheless a big issue that extreme weather is pushing disasters, droughts, and flooding all over the place.  That could start massive migration movements, which could lead to tension and eventually conflict over limited space and resources.

That's probably why the military is very concerned about it because these natural incidents can lead to man-made wars.

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6 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

I'd just gone off active duty when that happened so I packed up my pickup and went off to see me a volcano. I got as far as I could using back roads until they too were closed and hiked in as far as I could. The area literally looked like the surface of the moon. A couple of years later, when the roads were opened up more, I hiked clear up to the caldera, which was still smoking. About ten years after that I went back; the area was a tourist destination then and they wouldn't let you get near anything interesting. I used to live in Portland but that was a couple of decades after the eruption. It must have been a sight when it happened though.

I was in Portland about ten years ago when they had that record snowfall. I had fun chaining up my Tacoma and running around pulling people out of drifts. 

 

When it blew I was living east of Kent, WA and it was overcast that day so I didn't get to see anything. A couple of months later it erupted again but this time I had clear sky. That ash column rising up into the atmosphere was an awesome and humbling site.

Here is something funny. The worlds newest glacier is inside Mt. Saint Helens. :Smile_ohmy:

 

Earlier today there was a 6.2 earthquake off the coast of Oregon and this comes not long after 53 significant earthquakes, including a magnitude 8.2, hit the Ring Of Fire in a 24 hour Period.

 

There does appear to be a correlation between earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and grand solar minimums.  I live in the Puyallup Valley in WA and right now I'm sitting on top of what used to be the summit of Mt. Rainier. A drop in temperature due to a grand solar minimum is not the biggest concern for me.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Klaatu_Nicto said:

That ash column rising up into the atmosphere was an awesome and humbling site.

In my basic geology class in college we set out petri dishes in Kansas and then viewed them under a microscope to see if we could find any fallen ash -- we did. That's when I decided that I wanted to see the mountain for myself.

I'd forgotten about it until you mentioned it but I was actually teaching in the Portland area in the 2000s. I watched the smoke and steam coming off of St. Helens several times when the weather was clear.

Moving back to the Midwest, I was amused how excited people got over small earthquakes. We had small earthquakes all the time in Portland.

Paleontologically, the area is somewhat boring as it's mostly igneous. However, tectonically it's a geological wonderland. The history of the Missoula floods is pretty amazing too. When that flooding occurred, the area that is now Portland was under 400 feet of water. When the ice dam burst and drained the 2000 foot deep Lake Missoula the flow was ten times the combined flow of every river on Earth.

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38 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

In my basic geology class in college we set out petri dishes in Kansas and then viewed them under a microscope to see if we could find any fallen ash -- we did. That's when I decided that I wanted to see the mountain for myself.

I'd forgotten about it until you mentioned it but I was actually teaching in the Portland area in the 2000s. I watched the smoke and steam coming off of St. Helens several times when the weather was clear.

Moving back to the Midwest, I was amused how excited people got over small earthquakes. We had small earthquakes all the time in Portland.

Paleontologically, the area is somewhat boring as it's mostly igneous. However, tectonically it's a geological wonderland. The history of the Missoula floods is pretty amazing too. When that flooding occurred, the area that is now Portland was under 400 feet of water. When the ice dam burst and drained the 2000 foot deep Lake Missoula the flow was ten times the combined flow of every river on Earth.

 

If the New Madrid fault ruptures again the folks in the Midwest will have something to really get excited about.

Funny you should bring up Lake Missoula.  In topics about global warming when some brings up the alleged consensus among scientists that humans are causing the warming I respond with something like this.

Consensus, when one really exists, is not fact. One hundred years ago the consensus among geologists was the Channeled Scablands in Washington State, U.S.A. was created over million of years. In the 1920s geologist Harlen Bretz claimed the Channeled Scablands was created by a giant flood. His theory was dismissed but decades later he would be proven right.

Then I post this video.

 

 

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On 8/22/2018 at 6:22 AM, AVR_Project said:

Back in the 1990s, I became concerned, and personally exhausted all the material I could find on the subject.

My findings then were rather shocking.

The Earth ENERGY model resembles a nuclear reactor slowly throttling down.  Those in the industry know it's not as simple as pulling out rods and the power drops.  It's NOT LINEAR.  There is a staircase of effects and oscillations.

So what's at the center of the Earth?  Geologists call it a THERMAL energy system. 

There is the Earth's crust that forms like a skim over pudding as it cools.  There is the gelatinous mantle underneath that forms like a rubbery ball.  There something like a thick liquid ferro-fluid moving towards the zero gravity core.

And then there is a crystalline core of the planet that rotates slightly faster than the Earth (completing one full advance rotation every 400 years).

Imagine this core..  at IMMENSE physical pressure, at ZERO GRAVITY, providing this planet with heat and energy from the center. 

One can only guess what it calls fuel, but I have come to understand that when the geologists say 'Thermal'..  they mean Thermonuclear.

.....

And all this time, we have been told the Earth is slowly cooling down since It was formed...   Well, it's a bit more complicated than that.

 

Something  is going on down below. So so far this week we've had three super deep earthquakes. An 8.2 on the 19th under Fiji, a 7.3 on the 21st under Venezuela and a 7.1 under Peru on the 24th.

There is something else going on with our planet which most people have not heard about which will have an affect on climate and weather -  cosmic rays.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Klaatu_Nicto said:

 

Something  is going on down below. So so far this week we've had three super deep earthquakes. An 8.2 on the 19th under Fiji, a 7.3 on the 21st under Venezuela and a 7.1 under Peru on the 24th.

There is something else going on with our planet which most people have not heard about which will have an affect on climate and weather -  cosmic rays.

 

 

 

I am the Radiation Safety officer at work, and I marvel at the profound tirade of ignorance in those videos.

"Cosmic Rays - penetrating through the Earth and heating up the Magma".....   Hahahahahahahahahahah !!!!!  You know..  About 100 feet of dirt will stop the vast majority of those.  They ran tests on the Moon.

And to make the statement that higher background radioactivity will make Earth life impossible is ludicrous as well.  At 5 mRem/hr, I need to set up a safety fence around something.  Yet life has been surviving and thriving in the worst parts of Chernobyl.

And I also see through the 'Magnetism tied to Volcanism' story as well.  They look at magnetite, captured in lava flows.  Well... if the two are tied together -- then we don't know what the magnetic field is doing when there is no magma flow.  So time is neither linear nor continuous when examining these deposits.  And yet they cleverly assume they are - and lay a calendar scale on top of a strip of strata.

Slight of hand work of the statistical magician.  It's like stating my average income - and leaving out those years I'm unemployed.

And I still want to find dinosaurs living at the center of the Earth...   but only if the Earth was flat.

edit:  and one last poke:  I was an MRI Service Engineer for 10 years...   I had to look up a new term..  "Magnetic Hydrogen"...    Hahahahahahahahahaha 

You mean PLASMA : the 4th state of matter

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52 minutes ago, AVR_Project said:

I had to look up a new term..  "Magnetic Hydrogen"...    Hahahahahahahahahaha 

Well, technically everything is magnetic. Hydrogen is no exception. Hydrogen is repelled by a magnetic field and thus is diamagetic.

 

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27 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

Well, technically everything is magnetic. Hydrogen is no exception. Hydrogen is repelled by a magnetic field and thus is diamagnetic.

 

Magnetic Hydrogen....    It's not..  However, the subatomic particles.....

 

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10 minutes ago, AVR_Project said:

Magnetic Hydrogen....    It's not..  However, the subatomic particles.....

Under extreme pressure, hydrogen becomes a metal. Metallic hydrogen in the core of a gas giants could well act as the iron core of Earth does and generate a strong magnetic field.

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The key thought here is the term "THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY" which the armed forces of most civilized nation are sworn to defend.

Does the loss of the Earth's Magnetic Field represent a threat...   Yup...   So most nations will have an independent team working on it (since by nature, they can't trust other nation's interests).  It's a military thing.

Does increased volcanic activity?  Absolutely.

Just like Nuclear War, there should be a prepared SIOP for each or multiple situations.

What I speak of is not SIOP, but of a concerted effort to reverse sea level rise and global warming -- a battle that is likely to have been quietly working for about 7-8 years now.  Planning was finished 10 years ago.

Essentially, our militaries have declared war on the weather, and changing the results.

Like I say, it's a military thing.  Try something, then....   

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On 8/24/2018 at 9:32 AM, AVR_Project said:

I am the Radiation Safety officer at work, and I marvel at the profound tirade of ignorance in those videos.

"Cosmic Rays - penetrating through the Earth and heating up the Magma".....   Hahahahahahahahahahah !!!!!  You know..  About 100 feet of dirt will stop the vast majority of those.  They ran tests on the Moon.

And to make the statement that higher background radioactivity will make Earth life impossible is ludicrous as well.  At 5 mRem/hr, I need to set up a safety fence around something.  Yet life has been surviving and thriving in the worst parts of Chernobyl.

And I also see through the 'Magnetism tied to Volcanism' story as well.  They look at magnetite, captured in lava flows.  Well... if the two are tied together -- then we don't know what the magnetic field is doing when there is no magma flow.  So time is neither linear nor continuous when examining these deposits.  And yet they cleverly assume they are - and lay a calendar scale on top of a strip of strata.

Slight of hand work of the statistical magician.  It's like stating my average income - and leaving out those years I'm unemployed.

And I still want to find dinosaurs living at the center of the Earth...   but only if the Earth was flat.

edit:  and one last poke:  I was an MRI Service Engineer for 10 years...   I had to look up a new term..  "Magnetic Hydrogen"...    Hahahahahahahahahaha 

You mean PLASMA : the 4th state of matter

 

 

Have you had any papers published in science  journals about a relationship between solar activity and earthquakes?   The guy who did those videos has published in science journals and NASA has cited his work in research they are doing on solar activity and earthquakes. I think he knows more about it than you.

I was not referring to cosmic rays and magma. It's about cosmic rays and our atmosphere.

What I'm referring to about earth's magnetic field has nothing do to with lava flows. It's about measurements of earth's magnetic field taken by satellites.

Magnetic hydrogen is not a new term but I'm not certain where you come up with that in the video.  Maybe I missed or this is this it?

"There is a massive void in space known as the local bubble. The remnant shell of numerous supernovae with the core remaining as the local interstellar cloud through which we are indeed currently moving.
While the supernova void is tremendously sparse it's neutral helium content is the primary source of the x-ray background of the sky. The local cloud here at the core around our sun is six times more dense in hydrogen and is confirmed to be strongly magnetized."

He's not talking about plasma. He's talking about a sparse magnetized cloud more dense in hydrogen.

 

That's my plasma generator below.

 

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1 hour ago, Klaatu_Nicto said:

 

 

Have you had any papers published in science  journals about a relationship between solar activity and earthquakes?   The guy who did those videos has published in science journals and NASA has cited his work in research they are doing on solar activity and earthquakes. I think he knows more about it than you.

I was not referring to cosmic rays and magma. It's about cosmic rays and our atmosphere.

What I'm referring to about earth's magnetic field has nothing do to with lava flows. It's about measurements of earth's magnetic field taken by satellites.

Magnetic hydrogen is not a new term but I'm not certain where you come up with that in the video.  Maybe I missed or this is this it?

"There is a massive void in space known as the local bubble. The remnant shell of numerous supernovae with the core remaining as the local interstellar cloud through which we are indeed currently moving.
While the supernova void is tremendously sparse it's neutral helium content is the primary source of the x-ray background of the sky. The local cloud here at the core around our sun is six times more dense in hydrogen and is confirmed to be strongly magnetized."

He's not talking about plasma. He's talking about a sparse magnetized cloud more dense in hydrogen.

 

That's my plasma generator below.

 

Doesn't matter if I have any papers published..   Nonsense is nonsense.  Published papers are not accepted until they are peer reviewed..  Until then, they are theories.

Or do I have to cite several papers from years ago that turned out to be absolutely wrong in their conclusions.  Not worth my time here.

The subject of this off topic thread is WHAT IS THE MILITARY DOING ABOUT THIS.

I have checked, and at the height of the sea-level and global-warming panic, several governments made covert operations into correcting the situation.

I also discovered that the 'wonderful sunsets' that Dr. Dyer spoke of is caused by the volcanic ash, and not as much the Sulfur Dioxide.

So the absence of the blood red sunsets does not indicate they didn't saturate the stratosphere with sulfur dioxide.  AND THERE ARE DOCUMENTED TESTS OF THIS BEING DONE.

..........................

So if..  say China did the deed, which they had every capability to do so...  and say..  the West coast of the United States started burning as a result.... 

Act of war ???   Think about it.

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