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Just looking through presentations..   this one from 10 years ago...  and I got one hell of a shock.

Go to 45 minutes into the presentation..  I've searched and can't find this anywhere else.

 

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You know global warming isn't the issue anymore, right?

Ever heard about a solar minimum? It's when the Sun doesn't release as many solar flares which influences weather here on Earth. Basically, it's going to be colder and shorter growing seasons. 

The Arctic didn't melt at all this year and it's summer there!

It might even snow in Miami, Florida...

 

Sources:

https://www.universetoday.com/139189/are-we-headed-towards-another-deep-solar-minimum/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/986724/space-weather-solar-minimum-maximum-forecast-space-news

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What the political world can't seem to understand is that things change and most of the time you really can't stop that change. Life on earth has evolved to adapt to changing conditions. Those organisms that couldn't adapt went extinct, and that's about 99.9% of all life that's ever existed. There was a time several hundred million years ago when 85% of all life went extinct all at once. Extinction is necessary to remove less adapted organisms from competing with what's left with better-adapted ones, lest all go extinct. Only a very few organisms have been able to survive without having to adapt. We call these "living fossils" but actually they are populations that were lucky enough to find a more-or-less unchanging niche.

The Earth has both had more CO2 and has been warmer than it is today several times in the past. If the locations of the continents were favorable the land became lush and productive and thousands of new species evolved; if not, then the land became arid and many species went extinct.

The question should be not what we are going to do to combat global warming but what are we going to do to adapt to it.

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23 minutes ago, Rpkscout1 said:

You know global warming isn't the issue anymore, right?

Ever heard about a solar minimum? It's when the Sun doesn't release as many solar flares which influences weather here on Earth. Basically, it's going to be colder and shorter growing seasons. 

The Arctic didn't melt at all this year and it's summer there!

It might even snow in Miami, Florida...

 

Sources:

https://www.universetoday.com/139189/are-we-headed-towards-another-deep-solar-minimum/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/986724/space-weather-solar-minimum-maximum-forecast-space-news

And I say again...   This video was from TEN (10) years ago.

I'd say we are looking at the aftermath of these corrective actions.

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13 hours ago, AVR_Project said:

And I say again...   This video was from TEN (10) years ago.

I'd say we are looking at the aftermath of these corrective actions.

Agreed.

13 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

What the political world can't seem to understand is that things change and most of the time you really can't stop that change. Life on earth has evolved to adapt to changing conditions. Those organisms that couldn't adapt went extinct, and that's about 99.9% of all life that's ever existed. There was a time several hundred million years ago when 85% of all life went extinct all at once. Extinction is necessary to remove less adapted organisms from competing with what's left with better-adapted ones, lest all go extinct. Only a very few organisms have been able to survive without having to adapt. We call these "living fossils" but actually they are populations that were lucky enough to find a more-or-less unchanging niche.

The Earth has both had more CO2 and has been warmer than it is today several times in the past. If the locations of the continents were favorable the land became lush and productive and thousands of new species evolved; if not, then the land became arid and many species went extinct.

The question should be not what we are going to do to combat global warming but what are we going to do to adapt to it.

Like trying to stop forests from burning down. It's all a cycle and if we left it alone, everything would turn out right. 

There were less forest fires though when the big logging operations were going on though...:cap_yes:

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When I taught ecology and environmental science one of the most popular modules for the students was when we studied Milankovitch cycles and their effect on the solar constant. Get a good grasp of the way the Earth's orbit around the sun and the solar cycles affect the solar constant (which, of course, isn't actually constant) and you will be well on your way to understanding ecology because ecology is all about energy budgets

 

13 hours ago, Rpkscout1 said:

There were less forest fires though when the big logging operations were going on though...:cap_yes:

"Environmentalists" would rather a hundred-thousand acres of forest burn up than a single logger cut a single tree.

I always told my students that when they completed my ecology class that they would know more ecology than 90% of the so-called "environmentalists" out there. This is why a good course in ecology should be mandatory for college students -- the students will probably someday need to vote on or be in a position to legislate environmental policy and it would be nice if they actually knew something about the situation, rather than just letting themselves be swayed by emotional appeals. 

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The video talks about a 3 Billion dollar cost to lower the Earth's temperature by 2 degrees C.......

I'm sure most business people are asking....  "Huh???  Is that all ????   I'll bet we can just toss some gas tanks on some old KC-135s and send them aloft before we scrap them...."

Suddenly, I'm finding this all over the place...   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_dioxide

 

 

 

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Another aspect is the Dr. Evil thing.

It's a way the super-powers can hold the world hostage...   Do as I say, or I will STOP preventing the world from destroying itself.

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1 hour ago, Snargfargle said:

"Environmentalists" would rather a hundred-thousand acres of forest burn up than a single logger cut a single tree.

I always told my students that when they completed my ecology class that they would know more ecology than 90% of the so-called "environmentalists" out there. This is why a good course in ecology should be mandatory for college students -- the students will probably someday need to vote on or be in a position to legislate environmental policy and it would be nice if they actually knew something about the situation, rather than just letting themselves be swayed by emotional appeals. 

Heck, I wish that students had to take Econ 101 (basic Macro-economics), whether as college Freshmen, or even as a high school class.  It's amazing how many people are illiterate about concepts as basic as supply and demand.

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Back in the 1970's there was a proposal to melt the polar caps, by spreading dark soot over them or with nuclear weapons, to stop global cooling. Now we have more crazy ideas to combat the new threat, global warming, but this time they're doing it.  

Estimating global agricultural effects of geoengineering
Solar radiation management based on stratospheric sulfate aerosols is increasingly considered to be an option for managing global temperatures.....solar radiation management—if deployed using stratospheric sulfate aerosols similar to those emitted by the volcanic eruptions it seeks to mimic—would, on net, attenuate little of the global agricultural damage from climate change.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0417-3

Actually, it will create more damage since the reduced sunlight will decrease crop yields.

The Air War On The Earth’s Climate
According to the Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) these chemicals are necessary to mitigate global warming because they reflect solar radiation back into space.
 
The IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report “warns” governments not to stop spraying these chemicals. “If SRM were terminated for any reason, there is high confidence that global surface temperatures would rise very rapidly to values consistent with the greenhouse gas forcing.”

Meanwhile countries in Southeast Asia routinely use cloud-seeding chemicals to fight drought or to increase rainfall to help farmers. SRM chemicals, however, have a negative side effect: They slow down the atmosphere’s hydrological cycle, meaning they cause less rain to fall.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/opinion/aec/30276627

 

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If you think the world is currently experiencing "unprecedented" hot weather and "extreme heat waves" it's nothing compared to what's occurred in the past. In the recent past areas went weeks without the nighttime low ever dropping below 100 degrees F and daytime highs in the 120s. It was so hot in the U.S. Midwest in the 1930s millions of people moved to cooler areas of the country.

Here are some news reports about the real hottest decade on record.

July 1936 Heat Wave - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxkOIveLDLc
1936 Heat Wave - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuWarD5jLtc
Heatwave In Alaska / Iceberg Warnings (1930's) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWsJm1LSZ34
Man Compares Current Heat Wave To Extreme Heat in 1930s - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb8EAXWIyXU United States record heat wave in 1937 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP3JID7K7Do
Heat wave in the 1930s, Londoners Escape the City - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEfd8JrPbOw
July 6, 1936 - 121 Degrees In North Dakota - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojQ6HoyS1dU

In January 2015 NASA announced, and the mainstream media headlines read, 2014 warmest year on record. However, if you dig below the headlines you get a much different picture of global warming. 2014 beat the previous warmest year, 2005, by only 0.02 degrees. What that means is between 2005 and 2014 there was no warming

An IPCC lead author speaks out - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUBrV0VFcbY

Here is what you need to know about Michael Mann's hockey stick graph - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BQpciw8suk

In the 1800s the period known as "The Little Ice Age ended." This climate change, which started in the late 1200s/early1300s AD caused the death of millions of people. Here is a good documentary about it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwuO4cXghBo

You should ask yourself how good is the AGW theory's so called science if it can't withstand scrutiny and it's proponents refuse to debate?

Climate Scientist Gavin Schmidt runs in fear from a debate - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYKggC5VOzA


"We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." - Stephen Schneider, proponent of the theory that CFCs are depleting the ozone

"The reputation of scientific prediction needs to be enhanced. But that can happen, paradoxically, only if scientists disavow the certainty and precision that they normally insist on. Above all, we need to learn to act decisively to forestall predicted perils, even while knowing that they may never materialize. We must take action, in a manner of speaking, to preserve our ignorance." -Jonathan Shell, author of Our Fragile Earth

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect." - Richard Benedict, an employee for the State Department working on assignment for the Conservation Foundation

Proselytizing The Global Warming Religion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTs0k9OJ9Wk

 

13 hours ago, AVR_Project said:

And I say again...   This video was from TEN (10) years ago.

I'd say we are looking at the aftermath of these corrective actions.

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No, were looking at the aftermath of the end of the Modern Grand Solar Maximum which had the highest solar activity in 10,000 years and peaked in the last couple of decades of the 1900s. Before they launched Skylab NASA was warned about the increase in solar activity but they ignored that warning. Solar activity causes earth's atmosphere to expand or contract. After NASA launched Skylab the increase in solar activity caused earth's atmosphere to expand which put drag on Skylab causing it to crash in Australia.

 

 

This is from 2014. 

 

Evidence for solar forcing of sea-surface temperature on the North Icelandic Shelf during the late Holocene http://www.geo.uni-bremen.de/geomod/staff/mschulz/reprint/Jiang_etal_Geology05.pdf

Arctic Sea Ice and the Mean Temperature of the Northern Hemisphere https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1706/1706.05835.pdf

Wavelet-Based Multifractal Analysis On A Time Series Of Solar Activity And PDO Climate Index http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273117717304118

The Influence of Solar System Oscillation on the Variability of the Total Solar Irradiance https://www.researchgate.net/publication/307894966_The_Influence_of_Solar_System_Oscillation_on_the_Variability_of_the_Total_Solar_Irradiance
 
Reinforcing the double dynamo model with solar-terrestrial activity in the past three millennia https://arxiv.org/pdf/1705.04482.pdf

Extended Arctic Proxy Temperature Database For The Past 2,000 Years
https://www.nature.com/articles/sdata201426


Land-Based Portion Of Massive East Antarctic Ice Sheet Retreated Little During Past 8 Million Years. Large parts of the massive East Antarctic Ice Sheet did not retreat significantly during a time when atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations were similar to today's levels, according to a team of researchers funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF). The finding could have significant implications for global sea level rise.
https://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=245750&org=NSF&from=news

 

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If you look at the "non-political" data, you will see that we are actually just about recovered from a cold period known as the little ice age. You also will notice that when the temperature peaks, it soon will start to decline too as global temperatures on Earth are cyclical.

global+temperature+graph.jpg

What's more interesting in regards to this thread though its the rapid decline in temperature you see near the end of the graph. This was caused by a volcanic eruption. Note too how fast the temperature recovered. We could (maybe) initiate a man-made decrease in temperature but it might just recover naturally in a few years. Even with human influence on the environment temperatures will follow natural patterns. Remember that all the CO2 we are pumping into the air once was there to begin with before it was taken up by living things and sequestered into sediments, eventually producing coal and oil.

This graph also is very interesting from an anthropological standpoint. Note how warm it was when the Vikings colonized Greenland and then set up a colony in the New World. If the little ice age had not happened and the Greenland colony been abandoned, the New World would have been permanently colonized by Europeans 500 years before it was.

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Anytime somewhere in the world there is a new high temperature record set or period of hot weather events, what they now call a 'heat wave' because that sounds scarier than 'hot weather', it makes national headline news. What you don't hear from the mainstream news and what does not make national headlines are the new low temperature records set and cold weather events which actually outnumber the cold records and events.

Here are some reports I've filed away from the past couple of years. I don't update it regularly so these are not all of cold events that have occurred since I started this file.

DNR reports 98 percent white shrimp loss following January's cold snap
https://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/Eat/archives/2018/02/26/scndr-reports-98-percent-white-shrimp-loss-following-januarys-cold-snap

As marina thaws, a bounty of frozen shad appear
http://www.thehawkeye.com/news/20180225/as-marina-thaws-bounty-of-frozen-shad-appear

Extreme cold results in severe agricultural damage across Europe, food prices rising
https://watchers.news/2018/03/05/extreme-cold-results-in-severe-agricultural-damage-across-europe-food-prices-rising/

January 2018 - Extreme Cold May Have Damaged Winter Wheat
http://www.farmfutures.com/wheat/extreme-cold-may-have-damaged-winter-wheat

Mammoth's First Snow Of The Season Comes One Month Early.
http://www.latimes.com/travel/deals/la-tr-mammoth-snow-20170921-story.html

California Skiers hit Slopes In September, And All Summer
http://www.sfgate.com/snow-ski/article/summer-skiing-california-ski-snow-conditions-12213225.php

Unseasonably chilly August ahead for the eastern two-thirds of the US with 60F lows lasting up to two weeks
The Weather Channel reports that Sunday morning saw record breaking lows in Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee and Indiana. Another cold front is also expected to bring thunderstorms and showers through the central and eastern states early this week.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4766998/Showers-Monday-NYC-higher-temps-later.html

Wheat Futures Surge After Snow Slams U.S. Crop
https://www.agweb.com/agday/article/wheat-futures-surge-after-snow-slams-us-crop-blmg/

We Lost the Western Kansas Wheat Crop
http://www.agriculture.com/news/crops/we-lost-the-western-kansas-wheat-crop-this-weekend

Beef Prices Soar After late April Blizzard Clobbers Midwest
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-02/cattle-futures-beef-price-soar-after-blizzard-clobbers-midwest

Frozen corn in South Dakota in late June 2017
https://twitter.com/Tyne_Ag/status/879678704976265218
https://twitter.com/JLB04/status/879862168040157188

Cold Spring Temperatures Affect Volumes Of Organic Bananas From Mexico

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/176537/Cold-spring-temperatures-affect-volumes-of-organic-bananas-from-Mexico

Virginia Freeze Leaves Fruit Farmers Questioning Supply Come Harvest

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/10459/Virginia-freeze-leaves-fruit-farmers-questioning-supply-come-harvest

Michigan Freeze Devastates Oceana County Asparagus Crop
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/175177/Michigan-freeze-devastates-Oceana-County-asparagus-crop Over 80%

Loss In Blueberry & Peach Crops After Deep South Freeze
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/172657/Over-80-procent-loss-in-blueberry-and-peach-crops-after-Deep-South-freeze

The worst frost in decades knocks British winemakers off course
https://www.economist.com/news/britain/21721957-yet-long-term-outlook-remains-rosy-worst-frost-decades-knocks-british-winemakers

Severe frosts a bitter blow to WA farmers hoping for record harvest
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-26/wheat-crops-damaged-by-frost-in-wa/7878578

The Frozen Harvest — Images of Alberta’s Ice Storm
https://www.realagriculture.com/2016/10/the-frozen-harvest-images-of-albertas-ice-storm/

Cold weather brings vegetable rationing to Europe
http://heatst.com/world/severe-vegetable-shortage-deprives-europeans-of-spinach-broccoli/

Frost Hits European Fruit And Vegetable Sector Hard
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/174665/Frost-hits-European-fruit-and-vegetable-sector-hard

Trapped in Twillingate: Iced-in crab fishermen need compensation, FFAW says

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/ice-compensation-fisherman-twillingate-1.4076069

Heavy snowfall In Oregon, Idaho, Alaska Is Causing Buildings To Collapse
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/heavy-snowfall-in-oregon-idaho-alaska-is-causing-buildings-to-collapse/

California's Stormy Winter Sets Snowfall Record For Mammoth Resorts — Over 20 Feet In One Month

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-mammoth-snowfall-20170124-story.html

Seattle - The Last Time Winter Was This Cold, Reagan Was President
http://www.king5.com/weather/coldest-western-washington-winter-in-32-years/416994172

Adelaide – Coldest start to winter on record

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-01/adelaide-shivers-through-coldest-start-to-winter/8578150

Snow arrives early in High Country, and brings NSW a wintry blast

http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/snow-arrives-early-in-high-country-and-brings-nsw-a-wintry-blast/news-story/00c3b46f8b3fcfdcf9fabb86312ae7ee

Snow arrives two months early by Thomas Hunter
http://arcticsnap.com/index.php?id=283

Bitterly cold start as overnight temperatures plunge below freezing

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/94068892/bitterly-cold-start-as-overnight-temperatures-plunge-below-freezing

Brazil: Winter starts two months early - Crop losses recorded.

http://www.correiodopovo.com.br/Noticias/Geral/2017/4/616330/Vacaria-e-Bom-Jesus-registram-temperatura-de-2,4C-no-Rio-Grande-do-Sul-

Argentina – Snowfall causes heavy losses for vine crops
http://supercampo.perfil.com/2016/09/grave-panorama-en-la-rioja-tras-la-ultima-nevada/

Argentina – Surprise snow in spring
http://www.elpatagonico.com/nieve-primavera-mira-el-video-registrado-manantiales-behr-n1511170

Temperatures far below normal in South Africa
http://www.freddofili.it/14163-pesanti-nevicate-freddo-arrivo-sud-africa/

 

10 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

If you look at the "non-political" data, you will see that we are actually just about recovered from a cold period known as the little ice age. You also will notice that when the temperature peaks, it soon will start to decline too as global temperatures on Earth are cyclical.

global+temperature+graph.jpg

What's more interesting in regards to this thread though its the rapid decline in temperature you see near the end of the graph. This was caused by a volcanic eruption. Note too how fast the temperature recovered. We could (maybe) initiate a man-made decrease in temperature but it might just recover naturally in a few years. Even with human influence on the environment temperatures will follow natural patterns. Remember that all the CO2 we are pumping into the air once was there to begin with before it was taken up by living things and sequestered into sediments, eventually producing coal and oil.

This graph also is very interesting from an anthropological standpoint. Note how warm it was when the Vikings colonized Greenland and then set up a colony in the New World. If the little ice age had not happened and the Greenland colony been abandoned, the New World would have been permanently colonized by Europeans 500 years before it was.

 

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10 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

If you look at the "non-political" data, you will see that we are actually just about recovered from a cold period known as the little ice age.

global+temperature+graph.jpg

What's more interesting in regards to this thread though its the rapid decline in temperature you see near the end of the graph. This was caused by a volcanic eruption. Note too how fast the temperature recovered. We could (maybe) initiate a man-made decrease in temperature but it might just recover naturally in a few years.

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Actually, if you look up the Lewis and Clark expedition notes (early - pre 1850s), and other texts that missionaries recorded from Native Americans, you will find mention of WHITE INDIANS that were stranded in North America.

These White Indians mined Copper in the Tangaskootac Valley, North of Lock Haven, PA.

They were also wiped out by the Cherokee and Shawnee nations at Cuyahoga Falls in Ohio around 1200AD.  Story was that they were red haired giants.  They waited until mid-day when they were worshiping their God to attack.

The Lake Superior remnants were passed off as 'shipwrecked', and were reunited/joined by other Norwegian settlers in the 1600-1700s.

Then the history books all got changed after the Civil War.  There would be no mention of 'White Indians' anymore.  Several leading historical reference books were 'revised' with all earlier books destroyed.

Otzinachson is the name of one of these books.   There is the rare 1857 manuscript that describes and documents the 600 year old remains of the White Indian settlements (counting tree rings here).  Then there is the 'revised' post 1889 book where this info is all gone.

And the biggest conspiracy yet -- all this evidence of White Indians was vigorously collected by the Smithsonian Museum..   to be studied....   Ya..  right.  It was hidden, destroyed, or lost.

So if you find any Rune tablets...  DO NOT let the Smithsonian get their hands on it. 

Yes, the Vikings landed..  Yes, they lived here in Northeast USA.  And their descendants are still around.  Their story, however, has been erased from the books.

 

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I went through all of the links.  Yes, they verify the temperatures are rising. 

However, the position of the planets has me a little puzzled.  Gravity is a square-inverse relationship.  Twice the distance gives 1/4 the gravitational force.

Magnetism has the exact same squared relationship.  It's like Jupiter and Uranus has some influence on the Sun, even though a Ham Radio on Earth has more electromagnetic influence..  by virtue of being soooooo much closer.

-- And I look carefully at their evidence.  They speak of the mechanics of motors being driven - but fall short of closing the technological loop on how they connect.  Then they jump to the calendar as their evidence of connection.

And 6 coincidences is not proof.  I call it a Hasty Generalization.  I'll bet they got good funding for those studies.

..................

Volcanos cause the Earth to cool..   Of course.  Cause of heightened activity?  I only see brain-storming ideas being thrown in - backed by reams of techno-babble that will take days to fully decipher.  Is increased volcanic activity related to cooling...  ummmm... yup...   Caused by sunspot activity....   that's a bit of a stretch.

.................

CO2 levels are measurable..  Do they cause warming?  Yup.  Can this be proven in a lab?  Yup-sure.  What's the CO2 level right now?  Around 408.71 (fluctuates).  What is the trigger level to global catastrophe?  Around 450.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/

Will these countermeasures mentioned by Dr. Dyer lower this CO2 level?   Nope.  Not at all.  However, it will raise the 450ppm trigger level of the 'point of no return' event.

 

 

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9 hours ago, AVR_Project said:

Actually, if you look up the Lewis and Clark expedition notes...

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By the time of the Lewis and Clark expedition, Europeans had been active in the New World for over 300 years. In fact, due to some belligerence with the Indians, they found that few would trade with them and were in dire straits when they reached the West Coat. There they learned that a Russian trading ship would be coming in shortly if they would just wait, so they were hardly the first "white men" in the area.

What's even ore interesting are the paleoindian remains that seem to be of ancient Europeans, rather than East Asians, showing that there probably was some migration into the New World even before the Vikings. These people may have left some genetic heritage but their cultural heritage was swamped out. The same thing goes for the vikings. Even though they had a short-lived settlement in the New World, colonization in force didn't begin until the 1500s.

Speaking of genetics, Europeans after a few decades, began to outnumber the earlier East Asian migrants to the New World. Much of this was due to disease and why this was so in an interesting fact in itself. In the New World, domestication of animals didn't occur on a large scale. Because of this, the inhabitants were not resistant to the diseases that get transmitted back and forth between domestic livestock and humans. Thus, it wasn't long before a good number of Indian populations in the New World were decimated. This wasn't an overt plan on the Europeans part, it's just that Europe itself had lost much of its population only a hundred and fifty years before so the people left alive were somewhat more resistant. Some diseases went the other way but not so many.

Undoubtedly, given the large seafaring cultures of the past, there was some landfall in the New World before the Vikings. I really don't see any reason why the Polynesians might not have landed there, or even the Phoneticians. However if such landfalls occurred they didn't amount to anything.    

 

9 hours ago, AVR_Project said:

Yes, the Vikings landed..  Yes, they lived here in Northeast USA.  And their descendants are still around.  Their story, however, has been erased from the books.

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I would say, yes, yes, yes (to a small extent) and then no to your statement. Remember that it took some comprehensive archaeological and historical sleuthing to find that the vikings were even here to begin with.  There was no written record for the most part with Indians in the New World either so much of their verbal history was mixed up in myth.

I actually used to be an assistant curator at a research museum. As far as I know not a lot of this occurs. The scientific community in general doesn't take orders from government. Now this is not to say that some things might be overlooked and there are NDAs with secret projects. However, if something is not eventually written up in journals and thus included in "what we know"  it usually means that the specimens came in biased as to when, where, how, and by whom they were collected.

This is the problem with "headline" pseudo-science -- someone "discovers" one thing and then says that it turns the vast body of scientific knowledge and understanding on its head. Usually these "discoveries" can be dismissed as frauds or mistaken identities. Very rarely do they amount to anything. When they do, however, they can and do change the way we think about things.

 

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5 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

I actually used to be an assistant curator at a research museum. As far as I know nothing like this occurs. The scientific community doesn't take orders from government. Now this is not to say that some things might be overlooked. However, if something is not written up in journals and thus included in "what we know"  it usually means that the specimens came in biased as to when, where, how, and by whom they were collected.

I would say, yes, yes, yes (to a small extent) and then no to your statement. Remember that it took some comprehensive archaeological and historical sleuthing to find that the vikings were even here to begin with.  There was no written record for the most part with Indians in the New World either so much of their verbal history was mixed up in myth.

Until I read the two versions of Otzinachson..  I was skeptical.  Something happened.  Science was not the scientific standard we have today. 

There was no peer-review of tree rings in the middle of an erected stone-wall structure..  And the other matter was the question of when the Scandinavians show up first in the New World.

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I guess there is nothing wrong being off-topic in an off-topic topic...   (my head hurts)

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In a WOWS related moment, reading all that climate info, I felt like someone was telling me how all his Tier 8 fights were T10 battles, based on the 6 battles he mentioned (disregarding the other 2 as blown data points).  This Matchmaker problem is entirely caused by Detonations.  Get rid of them and Matchmaker will be fine.

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This is interesting. I'd always speculated that Polynesians should have been able to make landfall in the Americas but there was no good evidence of it until recently.

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In 2007, researchers at New Zealand's University of Auckland discovered a chicken bone during an archaeological dig at the El Arenal indigenous site on Chile's southern coast, an area which was inhabited for hundreds of years before Europeans arrived. There, researchers discovered some chicken bones. Chickens aren't native to the Americas, and they couldn't have crossed oceans without human assistance. Researchers had assumed that all chicken bones found in the Americas date to after 1492.

But radiocarbon dating on one of the bones revealed it actually dated back to anywhere between 1304 and 1424 - almost certainly before the arrival of the Europeans. What's more, the DNA found inside the El Arenal bone was a close match for that of chicken bones found in pre-European sites in Pacific islands like Tonga, American Samoa, Hawaii, and Easter Island.

This is the first tangible archaeological evidence for pre-Columbian contact between Polynesians and the indigenous peoples of South America.

 

 

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12 hours ago, AVR_Project said:

The video talks about a 3 Billion dollar cost to lower the Earth's temperature by 2 degrees C.......

I'm sure most business people are asking....  "Huh???  Is that all ????   I'll bet we can just toss some gas tanks on some old KC-135s and send them aloft before we scrap them...."

Suddenly, I'm finding this all over the place...   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_dioxide

;;;;;;;

Another aspect is the Dr. Evil thing.

It's a way the super-powers can hold the world hostage...   Do as I say, or I will STOP preventing the world from destroying itself.

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That's on top of the $50 billion/year spent on climate science meant to reinforce the human caused theory and global warming mitigation.  

You can monitor solar activity yourself here: http://spaceweather.com/

Or let this guy do it for you with morning updates:

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There appears to be a correlation between solar activity and large earthquakes and also solar activity and volcanism.

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Back in late 2016 the guy above, Ben Davidson, deleloped an earthquake prediction app.  

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Geomagnetic Kp Index and Earthquakes
http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=82421

 

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From 2008

 

That is the 2nd video I've posted in this topic in which a scientist says they know solar activity influences our atmosphere in different ways but they don't know or understand how it influences weather and climate. If nobody knows how solar activity influences weather and climate how can anybody develop a computer model and make predictions based on that model?

Furthermore, eleven months ago the scientists who developed the carbon budget, which has been used in every computer model, used in every research paper in the past few decades and used to make predictions, reported they over estimated the affects of C02 in earth's atmosphere by 50%. That means everything you've heard or read about C02 and global warming and every prediction made, in the past couple of decades, was in error.

 

8 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

This is interesting. I'd always speculated that Polynesians should have been able to make landfall in the Americas but there was no good evidence of it until recently.

 

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You're bringing up some interesting subjects. :cap_like:

I saw a show on TV several years ago about some copper mines in the U.S. Northeast/Canadian Southeast that predate the arrival of Europeans. I also read several decades ago they've discovered ancient mines in western South America that predate the arrival of any known civilization. 

Thor Heyerdahl did prove the Polynesians could have sailed to South America. He also proved the Egyptians could have too.

I started following this person's channel last year. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says but It's a subject that has intrigued me for many years.  If nothing else he produces some good sight-seeing videos of ancient sites. I'd like to go on one of his tours someday.

 

Gobekli Tepe - The oldest megalithic site ever discovered, estimated to be 12,000 years-old, has the most advanced stonework of any megalithic site ever discovered.

Something that recently popped up on my radar.

Archaeologists explore a rural field in Kansas, and a lost city emerges
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-kansas-lost-city-20180819-htmlstory.html

 

 

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6 hours ago, Klaatu_Nicto said:

You can monitor solar activity yourself here: http://spaceweather.com/

Or let this guy do it for with morning updates:

There appears to be a correlation between solar activity and large earthquakes and also solar activity and volcanism.


Back in late 2016 the guy above, Ben Davidson, deleloped an earthquake prediction app.  


Geomagnetic Kp Index and Earthquakes
http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=82421

From 2008

That is the 2nd video I've posted in this topic in which a scientist says they know solar activity influences our atmosphere in different ways but they don't know or understand how it influences weather and climate. If nobody knows how solar activity influences weather and climate how can anybody develop a computer model and make predictins based on that model?

Furthmore, eleven months ago the scientists who developed the carbon budget, which has been used in every computer model, used in every research paper in the past few decades and used to make predictions, reported they over estimated the affects of C02 in earth's atmosphere by 50%. That means everything you've heard or read about C02 and global warming and every prediction made, in the past couple of deacdes, was in error.

Models are never 100% correct.   They are always wrong by some measure -- that's why they are called models.  The carbon model, however is not 100% wrong as you are leading us to think.

https://www.independent.co.uk/infact/climate-change-sceptics-scientists-admit-wrong-global-warming-carbon-budget-nature-a7955991.html

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10 minutes ago, AVR_Project said:

Models are never 100% correct.   They are always wrong by some measure -- that's why they are called models.  The carbon model, however is not 100% wrong as you are leading us to think.

https://www.independent.co.uk/infact/climate-change-sceptics-scientists-admit-wrong-global-warming-carbon-budget-nature-a7955991.html

 

 

The carbon budget was overestimated by 50%. Computer models and research papers used that carbon budget which makes their time-scale predictions of future global warming 100% wrong. Of course, they don't really know if their new carbon budget is accurate plus the global warming pause threw a monkey wrench into the whole AGW theory. 

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8 hours ago, Klaatu_Nicto said:

 

The carbon budget was overestimated by 50%. Computer models and research papers used that carbon budget which makes their time-scale predictions of future global warming 100% wrong. Of course, they don't really know if their new carbon budget is accurate plus the global warming pause threw a monkey wrench into the whole AGW theory. 

The 'Carbon Budget' is some political nightmare contrived to make money off this crisis.

Fact is that my first post in this thread, 50 minutes in, tells you how to defeat this system -- and alter it considerably.   To the purist scientists, it's like using an aiming hack.

I am saying, since the vid is about 10 years old, that IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.  Not necessarily the USA, but someone has done those things to alter the Earth's ecosphere.  Surprise is that they are so easy and cheap to do.

At CO2=408, we should be seeing some melting of the permafrost in the arctic...   AND WE ARE SEEING THIS.. 

My conclusion is that some entity took action to alter those doomsday numbers.

...

And for those who doubt the Arctic ocean is navigable.....  (pay no attention to the shameless advertising on the sidebar.. lol)

 

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17 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

What the political world can't seem to understand is that things change and most of the time you really can't stop that change.

Somewhere in the deep dark recesses of my old brain, I recall that 'matter is in a constant state of change.' It's a law.

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21 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

What the political world can't seem to understand is that things change and most of the time you really can't stop that change. Life on earth has evolved to adapt to changing conditions. Those organisms that couldn't adapt went extinct, and that's about 99.9% of all life that's ever existed. There was a time several hundred million years ago when 85% of all life went extinct all at once. Extinction is necessary to remove less adapted organisms from competing with what's left with better-adapted ones, lest all go extinct. Only a very few organisms have been able to survive without having to adapt. We call these "living fossils" but actually they are populations that were lucky enough to find a more-or-less unchanging niche.

The Earth has both had more CO2 and has been warmer than it is today several times in the past. If the locations of the continents were favorable the land became lush and productive and thousands of new species evolved; if not, then the land became arid and many species went extinct.

The question should be not what we are going to do to combat global warming but what are we going to do to adapt to it.

 

 

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Coldest August 18 observed in 125 locations in northern Japan, cold enough for frost.
http://news.tv-asahi.co.jp/news_society/articles/000134338.html

Record-setting early snowfall covers top of Hokkaido mountain
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20180817/p2a/00m/0na/014000c

 

 

At midsummer, tankers get ice-trapped near Russian Arctic port
«The global warming, which there has been so much talk about for such a long time, seems to have receded a little and we are returning to the standards of the 1980s and 1990s,» says company representative Andrey Smirnov.
https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/2018/06/midsummer-tankers-get-ice-trapped-near-russian-arctic-port

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Forty years ago this is what we were hearing and reading concerning climate change.

 

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I thought I posted this yesterday but I don't see it. Whenever there is a warm event it makes headline news but when there is a cold event you don't hear about it in the mainstream media. Here is a sample from the past couple of years of the news the mainstream media does not give you.  I don't update this file regularly so this is not all there is. 

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2018 - DNR reports 98 percent white shrimp loss following January's cold snap
https://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/Eat/archives/2018/02/26/scndr-reports-98-percent-white-shrimp-loss-following-januarys-cold-snap

2018 - As marina thaws, a bounty of frozen shad appear
http://www.thehawkeye.com/news/20180225/as-marina-thaws-bounty-of-frozen-shad-appear

2018 - Extreme cold results in severe agricultural damage across Europe, food prices rising
https://watchers.news/2018/03/05/extreme-cold-results-in-severe-agricultural-damage-across-europe-food-prices-rising/

2018 - Extreme Cold May Have Damaged Winter Wheat
http://www.farmfutures.com/wheat/extreme-cold-may-have-damaged-winter-wheat

2017 - We Lost the Western Kansas Wheat Crop
http://www.agriculture.com/news/crops/we-lost-the-western-kansas-wheat-crop-this-weekend

2017 - Beef Prices Soar After Late April Blizzard Clobbers Midwest
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-02/cattle-futures-beef-price-soar-after-blizzard-clobbers-midwest

2017 - Wheat Futures Surge After Snow Slams U.S. Crop
https://www.agweb.com/agday/article/wheat-futures-surge-after-snow-slams-us-crop-blmg/

Mammoth's First Snow Of The Season Comes One Month Early.
http://www.latimes.com/travel/deals/la-tr-mammoth-snow-20170921-story.html

California Skiers hit Slopes In September, And All Summer
http://www.sfgate.com/snow-ski/article/summer-skiing-california-ski-snow-conditions-12213225.php

Unseasonably chilly August ahead for the eastern two-thirds of the US with 60F lows lasting up to two weeks
The Weather Channel reports that Sunday morning saw record breaking lows in Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee and Indiana. Another cold front is also expected to bring thunderstorms and showers through the central and eastern states early this week.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4766998/Showers-Monday-NYC-higher-temps-later.html

Frozen corn in South Dakota in late June 2017
https://twitter.com/Tyne_Ag/status/879678704976265218
https://twitter.com/JLB04/status/879862168040157188

Cold Spring Temperatures Affect Volumes Of Organic Bananas From Mexico

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/176537/Cold-spring-temperatures-affect-volumes-of-organic-bananas-from-Mexico

Virginia Freeze Leaves Fruit Farmers Questioning Supply Come Harvest

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/10459/Virginia-freeze-leaves-fruit-farmers-questioning-supply-come-harvest

Michigan Freeze Devastates Oceana County Asparagus Crop
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/175177/Michigan-freeze-devastates-Oceana-County-asparagus-crop Over 80%

Loss In Blueberry & Peach Crops After Deep South Freeze
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/172657/Over-80-procent-loss-in-blueberry-and-peach-crops-after-Deep-South-freeze

The worst frost in decades knocks British winemakers off course
https://www.economist.com/news/britain/21721957-yet-long-term-outlook-remains-rosy-worst-frost-decades-knocks-british-winemakers

Severe frosts a bitter blow to WA farmers hoping for record harvest
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-26/wheat-crops-damaged-by-frost-in-wa/7878578

The Frozen Harvest — Images of Alberta’s Ice Storm
https://www.realagriculture.com/2016/10/the-frozen-harvest-images-of-albertas-ice-storm/

Cold weather brings vegetable rationing to Europe
http://heatst.com/world/severe-vegetable-shortage-deprives-europeans-of-spinach-broccoli/

Frost Hits European Fruit And Vegetable Sector Hard
http://www.freshplaza.com/article/174665/Frost-hits-European-fruit-and-vegetable-sector-hard

Trapped in Twillingate: Iced-in crab fishermen need compensation, FFAW says

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/ice-compensation-fisherman-twillingate-1.4076069

Heavy snowfall In Oregon, Idaho, Alaska Is Causing Buildings To Collapse
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/heavy-snowfall-in-oregon-idaho-alaska-is-causing-buildings-to-collapse/

California's Stormy Winter Sets Snowfall Record For Mammoth Resorts — Over 20 Feet In One Month

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-mammoth-snowfall-20170124-story.html

Seattle - The Last Time Winter Was This Cold, Reagan Was President
http://www.king5.com/weather/coldest-western-washington-winter-in-32-years/416994172

Adelaide – Coldest start to winter on record

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-01/adelaide-shivers-through-coldest-start-to-winter/8578150

Snow arrives early in High Country, and brings NSW a wintry blast

http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/snow-arrives-early-in-high-country-and-brings-nsw-a-wintry-blast/news-story/00c3b46f8b3fcfdcf9fabb86312ae7ee

Snow arrives two months early by Thomas Hunter
http://arcticsnap.com/index.php?id=283

Bitterly cold start as overnight temperatures plunge below freezing

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/94068892/bitterly-cold-start-as-overnight-temperatures-plunge-below-freezing

Brazil: Winter starts two months early - Crop losses recorded.

http://www.correiodopovo.com.br/Noticias/Geral/2017/4/616330/Vacaria-e-Bom-Jesus-registram-temperatura-de-2,4C-no-Rio-Grande-do-Sul-

Argentina – Snowfall causes heavy losses for vine crops
http://supercampo.perfil.com/2016/09/grave-panorama-en-la-rioja-tras-la-ultima-nevada/

Argentina – Surprise snow in spring
http://www.elpatagonico.com/nieve-primavera-mira-el-video-registrado-manantiales-behr-n1511170

Temperatures far below normal in South Africa
http://www.freddofili.it/14163-pesanti-nevicate-freddo-arrivo-sud-africa/

 

 

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