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This IS NOT A COMPLAINT OR A SUGGESTION but merely an observation on why sometimes, overdoing is worse than not doing anything at all. Once upon a time there was a line of ten American cruisers, but then things got "cute". Instead of merely introducing a Helena or some other Philadelphia class ship, while ridding the line of the make believe Phoenix and possibly making a few tier adjustments, they decided that simple was not the way. LOL . That was ALL they had to do. (And leave Cleveland ALONE, LOL!)

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There are now fifteen American cruisers in a split line of light and heavies. Of this total, Phoenix, Dallas, Buffalo and Seattle never existed in fact. Worcester and the Des Moines class ships entered service AFTER the war ended. If we REMOVE the first four and the Worcester, but LEAVE the Des Moines because it was always there, we have the following and LOGICAL group of ten ships that would make up a NORMAL line of cruisers. As follows:

Erie, Chester, St. Louis, Omaha, Pensacola, Cleveland, Helena, New Orleans, Baltimore, Des Moines

 

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A Pensacola at T5 would be the most overpowered ship at T5 since the Salem. 

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5 minutes ago, OZZZZZZZ said:

This IS NOT A COMPLAINT OR A SUGGESTION but merely an observation on why sometimes, overdoing is worse than not doing anything at all. Once upon a time there was a line of ten American cruisers, but then things got "cute". Instead of merely introducing a Helena or some other Philadelphia class ship, while ridding the line of the make believe Phoenix and possibly making a few tier adjustments, they decided that simple was not the way. LOL . That was ALL they had to do. (And leave Cleveland ALONE, LOL!)

"INSTEAD".........

There are now fifteen American cruisers in a split line of light and heavies. Of this total, Phoenix, Dallas, Buffalo and Seattle never existed in fact. Worcester and the Des Moines class ships entered service AFTER the war ended. If we REMOVE the first four and the Worcester, but LEAVE the Des Moines because it was always there, we have the following and LOGICAL group of ten ships that would make up a NORMAL line of cruisers. As follows:

Erie, Chester, St. Louis, Omaha, Pensacola, Cleveland, Helena, New Orleans, Baltimore, Des Moines

 

If you're so bent out of shape about paper ships in the US CL and CA lines, then you must really hate all the Russian ships. Please go complain about them too to make it fair.

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50 minutes ago, OZZZZZZZ said:

This IS NOT A COMPLAINT OR A SUGGESTION but merely an observation on why sometimes, overdoing is worse than not doing anything at all. Once upon a time there was a line of ten American cruisers, but then things got "cute". Instead of merely introducing a Helena or some other Philadelphia class ship, while ridding the line of the make believe Phoenix and possibly making a few tier adjustments, they decided that simple was not the way. LOL . That was ALL they had to do. (And leave Cleveland ALONE, LOL!)

"INSTEAD".........

There are now fifteen American cruisers in a split line of light and heavies. Of this total, Phoenix, Dallas, Buffalo and Seattle never existed in fact. Worcester and the Des Moines class ships entered service AFTER the war ended. If we REMOVE the first four and the Worcester, but LEAVE the Des Moines because it was always there, we have the following and LOGICAL group of ten ships that would make up a NORMAL line of cruisers. As follows:

Erie, Chester, St. Louis, Omaha, Pensacola, Cleveland, Helena, New Orleans, Baltimore, Des Moines

 

The single biggest reason the tech tree got reworked was the Cleveland. WG had arranged the original tree by gun caliber. This put the Cleveland  several tiers lower than it's contemporary, the Baltimore, with two older treaty cruisers above it, just because they had 8" guns. The Phoenix and Nicholas both exist to fill a hole in US Navy ship development that happened in the 1920's.

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1 hour ago, OZZZZZZZ said:

This IS NOT A COMPLAINT OR A SUGGESTION but merely an observation on why sometimes, overdoing is worse than not doing anything at all. Once upon a time there was a line of ten American cruisers, but then things got "cute". Instead of merely introducing a Helena or some other Philadelphia class ship, while ridding the line of the make believe Phoenix and possibly making a few tier adjustments, they decided that simple was not the way. LOL . That was ALL they had to do. (And leave Cleveland ALONE, LOL!)

"INSTEAD".........

There are now fifteen American cruisers in a split line of light and heavies. Of this total, Phoenix, Dallas, Buffalo and Seattle never existed in fact. Worcester and the Des Moines class ships entered service AFTER the war ended. If we REMOVE the first four and the Worcester, but LEAVE the Des Moines because it was always there, we have the following and LOGICAL group of ten ships that would make up a NORMAL line of cruisers. As follows:

Erie, Chester, St. Louis, Omaha, Pensacola, Cleveland, Helena, New Orleans, Baltimore, Des Moines

 

I'm sorry but this is just silly.

Regarding the Omaha, I suppose that it could have been slotted at tier 4  way back when the devs were first building the US cruiser line.  But that horse has long left the barn.  I think that the way that WG developed the USN  CL and CA lines is fine.  Are they lacking a number of some "real" ships?  Yes.  The fact is that the US built a lot of cruisers, but by the time WW2 had started, the USN seemed to greatly reduce the amount of experimentation in new classes and instead, stuck with a much more limited number of new classes.  And built many more new ships in those classes.

On top of this, people have been calling for a split between the USN Light and Heavy Cruisers  from almost day one.

Furthermore, I don't see your suggestion as logical in the least.  The Clevelands being BEFORE the Helenas?  That's ridiculous!  The Clevelands were more modern than the Helenas.  They were the Light Cruiser equivalent of the Baltimore and belong at the same tier at the Baltimore.  Also, the Helena "class" is really the St Louis class (of 2 ships), which were really just a slight modification of the Brooklyn class.  I don't know why they didn't just call them the Brooklyn class in the first place, and recognize that a fully upgraded Brooklyn was really a St Louis class.

Regardless, while there are quite a few USN cruiser classes, both Light and Heavy, there just weren't enough to build two complete lines without using some fictional designs or paper designs.  However, I think that WG did a good job.  And the result is better by far than leaving things the way they were.

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1 hour ago, Compassghost said:

A Pensacola at T5 would be the most overpowered ship at T5 since the Salem. 

I was about to say the same thing about Omaha at tier 4.

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1 hour ago, OZZZZZZZ said:

This IS NOT A COMPLAINT OR A SUGGESTION but merely an observation on why sometimes, overdoing is worse than not doing anything at all. Once upon a time there was a line of ten American cruisers, but then things got "cute". Instead of merely introducing a Helena or some other Philadelphia class ship, while ridding the line of the make believe Phoenix and possibly making a few tier adjustments, they decided that simple was not the way. LOL . That was ALL they had to do. (And leave Cleveland ALONE, LOL!)

"INSTEAD".........

There are now fifteen American cruisers in a split line of light and heavies. Of this total, Phoenix, Dallas, Buffalo and Seattle never existed in fact. Worcester and the Des Moines class ships entered service AFTER the war ended. If we REMOVE the first four and the Worcester, but LEAVE the Des Moines because it was always there, we have the following and LOGICAL group of ten ships that would make up a NORMAL line of cruisers. As follows:

Erie, Chester, St. Louis, Omaha, Pensacola, Cleveland, Helena, New Orleans, Baltimore, Des Moines

 

 

Ha! 

No. 

I happen to like the lines as they are now, and very much enjoy the light cruisers that recently got added.
Removing them would break my heart. 

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