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I know this will piss a lot off people off but this go's out to the CV players out there, for the next week stop spotting if it's for you DIV/clan go for it but otherwise stop. To many people take CV spotting as a must job for CV to do when it's the DD job to spot, i'm sure when WG made CV and and it's planes they made DB to deal damage and not spot.

Yes we can do it faster and better and i don't mind doing it but when you see 3 DD not even bother to spot and go CV hunting and leave it up to the CV the way people think need's to change, i know the whole radar thing will come up and DD can't get close to spot so the CV need's to. So all i'm asking is CV players hold back on your spotting and start dealing damage if people are just going to take it for granted that a CV will spot so they don't have to and they can do what they want and leave the rest of the team blind then let them. DD were made to spot so it's time they start to again or share the work with the CV and not sail off to find a ship they want to sink leaving the team blind.

update: Now seeing as a lot have read the post and said nothing here is a bombshell for all you players, here's a question for you when the rework drops and if CV are no longer able to spot like we do now what's going to happen, players can't blame CV for not spotting anymore as they are the ones that wanted the rework and lost CV being able to spot like we do. Will DD pick up the slack but wait they can't because of radar and won't go into a cap so where will that leave the team?

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Uh, have you ever heard of radar, or reality? While the occasional submarine would radio back ship locations, it was mostly radar and planes that spotted ships in WWII.

More than farming damage, the job of the CV is to spot for the team. You can tell a newbie vs pro CV player as the latter will leave his planes to spot if needed rather than recycling them immediately back to the ship

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13 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

Uh, have you ever heard of radar,

Did you read the post i even said in there that radar will come up guess you missed that part so have another read. It's not the job of the CV to spot we do it cause we can do it better big difference there if WG made it so it was the CV job to spot we would have planes to use to spot? how many CV do you complement for spotting knowing it's not are job but we do it to help the team win as we do it better.

Do we need to ask WG if when they made CV they made the planes to sit there and spot or deal damage.

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22 minutes ago, ausanimal said:

I know this will piss a lot off people off but this go's out to the CV players out there, for the next week stop spotting if it's for you DIV/clan go for it but otherwise stop. To many people take CV spotting as a must job for CV to do when it's the DD job to spot, i'm sure when WG made CV and and it's planes they made DB to deal damage and not spot.

Yes we can do it faster and better and i don't mind doing it but when you see 3 DD not even bother to spot and go CV hunting and leave it up to the CV the way people think need's to change, i know the whole radar thing will come up and DD can't get close to spot so the CV need's to. So all i'm asking is CV players hold back on your spotting and start dealing damage if people are just going to take it for granted that a CV will spot so they don't have to and they can do what they want and leave the rest of the team blind then let them. DD were made to spot so it's time they start to again or share the work with the CV and not sail off to find a ship they want to sink leaving the team blind.

DD's often have islands blocking their view.  DD's can't spot other DDs until very close to each other. DD's can't spot the directions the enemy fleet is headed near the start of the a game.  If you refuse to spot in your CV, please stop playing CVs. 

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CV spotting is one of the most powerful forms of team support in the game.  It denies a number of ships the big advantages they normally would have by great stealth.  That's not just DD targets either, there are Cruisers and even BBs that need stealth to choose their engagements; break contact when they don't want to fight anymore.  They go dark, hide, reposition, heal, and come back to fight.  CV spotting negates that.  They keep threats spotted so that the team can keep clobbering it.

 

Keep that Belfast that has its smoke on CD spotted.

Keep that DD spotted so friendlies can attack them.  Keep them spotted so friendly DDs have a clear picture what's going around them.

CVs keeping Stealth BBs like Caesar and Conqueror spotted for attacks.

Keep that Battleship that has 3-4 fires burning spotted so that the team can shoot at it.

Etc.

 

Matter of fact, this era of WoWS...

 

... Only came about when CV populations were driven into the dirt.  CV presence on a regular basis kept things like this from happening.  When the CVs were gone it was a case of, "While the cat is away, the mice will play."  And play they did.

 

Talk to DD players and see what they think about CV aircraft spotting them.  You will get some very angry replies.

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15 minutes ago, DouglasMacAwful said:

DD's often have islands blocking their view.  DD's can't spot other DDs until very close to each other. DD's can't spot the directions the enemy fleet is headed near the start of the a game.  If you refuse to spot in your CV, please stop playing CVs. 

So do's every other ship out there and can stop them from taking a shot, DD can spot other ships not just DD what other reasons do you want to give for DD not being able to spot, what do you do when there is no CV in a match all go to a corner and cry because no one can spot? no DD go in and spot and to see where the other team is heading they use there team to help spot. CV is in the match and the DD just want's to go CV hunting or hang back and leave the spotting to the CV instead of helping and working as a team.

if your so high up on CV spotting how many do you complement for spotting and giving up dealing damage to spot for the team to make sure we got the cap, found that DD or making sure if someone was getting shot at we found the ship for the team to shot back at even if it meant losing the squad of planes?

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53 minutes ago, ausanimal said:

DD were made to spot so it's time they start to again or share the work with the CV and not sail off to find a ship they want to sink leaving the team blind.

Actually, no. They are not made to spot, more like escort and provide smoke and cover for the main fleet.

PLANES are what is supposed to scout.

CV spotting is crucial and imperative to positioning of your team and knowing whats going on around the flanks. Any GOOD CV will spot for their team.

You really are far off on any sort of logic here.

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1 minute ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Talk to DD players and see what they think about CV aircraft spotting them.  You will get some very angry replies.

I know how DD players feel when they get spotted even when you permanently spot them, i have got a few angry msg though chat about it, i'm not saying CV are not great for spotting they are there the perfect class for it but to many people take it for granted when there is a CV in the match. If it's a new CV player and they don't know how to fully play CV they get yelled, they don't hang around and spot after drop same thing and get reported at the end of the match but yet if there is 3 DD that went CV hunting and could of helped with spotting nothing will be said.

 

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1 minute ago, _Prometh3us said:

Actually, no. They are not made to spot, more like escort and provide smoke and cover for the main fleet.

PLANES are what is supposed to scout.

CV spotting is crucial and imperative to positioning of your team and knowing whats going on around the flanks. Any GOOD CV will spot for their team.

You really are far off on any sort of logic here.

Do CV have planes that were put in to scout?

What do's the team do when there is no CV in a match?

Yes a good CV player will but a good DD will also help and use that info to help win the cap or the match not sail of to go after another ship because there are planes spotting.

Logic is when there is no CV what do you do to spot, when there is a CV there is no reason a DD can't help spot, smoke with the info the CV gives them.

The amount of matches I've seen when i have played CV and because i was spotting the DD went of somewhere else could of helped the team at the cap even more if i lost my planes or had to call them back there were no more eyes there as the DD left.

Same question to you do you complement a CV player if his spotting was good?

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1 minute ago, ausanimal said:

Do CV have planes that were put in to scout?

What do's the team do when there is no CV in a match?

Yes a good CV player will but a good DD will also help and use that info to help win the cap or the match not sail of to go after another ship because there are planes spotting.

Logic is when there is no CV what do you do to spot, when there is a CV there is no reason a DD can't help spot, smoke with the info the CV gives them.

The amount of matches I've seen when i have played CV and because i was spotting the DD went of somewhere else could of helped the team at the cap even more if i lost my planes or had to call them back there were no more eyes there as the DD left.

Same question to you do you complement a CV player if his spotting was good?

Yes, they're called fighters.

I praise the lord when their is not cv. Any good player will not lemming away from caps or the fight. You can't control the types of players you will have in your match. So just deal with it.

The amount of matches I've had with really bad CV players not spotting or not covering me with planes is astronomical. But guess what. THEY ARE JUST BAD.

Don't go telling the most crucial part of a CV not to do it.

And sure, but the Karma system is completely useless, so what does it matter if you compliment or not?

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2 minutes ago, _Prometh3us said:

Yes, they're called fighters.

I praise the lord when their is not cv. Any good player will not lemming away from caps or the fight. You can't control the types of players you will have in your match. So just deal with it.

The amount of matches I've had with really bad CV players not spotting or not covering me with planes is astronomical. But guess what. THEY ARE JUST BAD.

Don't go telling the most crucial part of a CV not to do it.

And sure, but the Karma system is completely useless, so what does it matter if you compliment or not?

Fighters are to give AA cover and take out fighters TB and DB but i'm sure your happy to let a TB strike hit you knowing the fighters are of spotting, most CV players use DB to scout for that reason so we can scout and give AA cover but good try.

5 minutes ago, _Prometh3us said:

not covering me with planes is astronomical

Which do you want fighters to cover you or spot make your mind up.

The Karma system is but people are quick to report a CV player and players see that just like if you compliment them they will see it and know that the spotting they gave was good and someone was happy with it and they will know they are on the right path to spotting for their team.

Why shouldn't CV players make a stand if EVERYONE knows how major CV spotting is and can change the battle from the start why make it harder on the CV, why give them so much crapif they missed a DB but got 2 TB in a strafe, if there in the bottom half of the team score why report them when they spent most of the match spotting and giving AA cover.

it's fine to come on here and say that it's the most crucial part of CV but in the match it's different a CV can spot each cap at the start but soon as we have to call are planes back or we lose them how many people pick up where the planes left of, amount of times I've been yelled at why did i call my DB back from spotting and had to explain it's quicker then losing the whole squad and waiting on the cool down.

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@ausanimal Spotting with CV planes will happen whether you like it or not since it can not be controlled. We launch planes to cover scouting DDs or to pre position to attack what ever is spotted first and the planes spot whatever is further back. They are high above the battle area and they are no blind.

If that's too much of a bother then get a CV and do all you can to keep from spotting for your team.

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9 minutes ago, CAPTMUDDXX said:

@ausanimal Spotting with CV planes will happen whether you like it or not since it can not be controlled. We launch planes to cover scouting DDs or to pre position to attack what ever is spotted first and the planes spot whatever is further back. They are high above the battle area and they are no blind.

If that's too much of a bother then get a CV and do all you can to keep from spotting for your team.

I do play CV  so i know about how spotting can win a match and the first bit of info you give your team will let them know if they need to send backup to another cap or to fall back as they are out numbered or find that 1 ship that is pissing someone of from behind a island. Just cause there is a CV in the match there is no reason for DD to stop spotting and hang back and shot or go CV hunting if the planes are lost or called back the team can go blind and not see some ships where if the DD stayed there and helped then those ships would still be there for the team to target.

Like you said to cover scouting DD which a lot of people seem to be missing when DD scout they are also spotting for the team but that's not right as some people are saying DD are not meant to scout/spot?

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@ausanimal O I C it appears then that you are demanding DD players to do what you want them to do and for CV players to not do what they cant help but do.

Do you seriously expect that anyone playing this game the way they want to is going to acquiesce to the demands of anyone else? You'll be lucky to get a nicely asked help me out here responded to.

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12 minutes ago, CAPTMUDDXX said:

ausanimal O I C it appears then that you are demanding DD players to do what you want them to do and for CV players to not do what they cant help but do.

Do you seriously expect that anyone playing this game the way they want to is going to acquiesce to the demands of anyone else? You'll be lucky to get a nicely asked help me out here responded to.

I'm hoping that people might realise that even though we all know CV are better for spotting and for a lot of reasons we are pretty much the perfect ship for it that it also falls onto other team members to more so the DD. I'm sure we have all had those matches where CV didn't spot and used their fighters to cover there strike force leaving the team to deal with the other CV planes or a DD that didn't move into a cap or close enough to spot and the one's that just want to go CV hunting.

When i play be it Lexington i always send one fighter squad to one cap and one DB to the other to spot ahead, then will swap the fighter for a DB and keep both DB spotting till i need to call them back or i lose the squad but that's just me and how i start the match. What i'm hoping people get out of this is once there is no planes to spot have a backup ready you don't want to lose sight of a ship your team was about to kill because no one was able to spot it.

CV players cop a lot of crap from players but we still do what we can to help the team some players better then others, people are jumping up and down already saying it's the CV job to spot and that's it how many of them will will ask a new player to CV to spot and explain why, ask a CV to spot a area there has been times i have been asked to do it other times people demand and yell for me to do it guess which of the two i will listen to more and go spot that area for.

Yes i might of put DD in the spotlight but they are also the best surface ship to spot for the team but all i can hope is this post and the people that post back we might be able to open some eyes to a problem that we know is there and with any luck get people working as a team i know big stretch there asking for that.

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@ausanimal Good concept but don't hold your breath for anyone of 15k+ players to heed your advice and actually routinely put it to practice.

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4 hours ago, _Prometh3us said:

Actually, no. They are not made to spot, more like escort and provide smoke and cover for the main fleet.

PLANES are what is supposed to scout.

CV spotting is crucial and imperative to positioning of your team and knowing whats going on around the flanks. Any GOOD CV will spot for their team.

You really are far off on any sort of logic here.

Technically, DD's WERE made to spot. Originally there was no smoke for DD's to hide in and they could stealth fire. A large part of DD's XP is gained from spotting and Im pretty sure they get more XP for spotting than other ships. Scout planes spot torps and spot ships behind islands close by.

CV's were never intended to spot and originally didnt get XP from spotting IIRC but CV's have changed dramatically from release date so perhaps that was added.....even tho XP and credit gains were nerfed twice.

CV spotting IS crucial to a win, good CV players do it and mehCV players dont. Also higher lvl CV's are less likely to spot due to the obscene amount of AA in T10 matches where a DD can knock down a squadron of planes in seconds.

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21 minutes ago, hipcanuck said:

Technically, DD's WERE made to spot. Originally there was no smoke for DD's to hide in and they could stealth fire. A large part of DD's XP is gained from spotting and Im pretty sure they get more XP for spotting than other ships. Scout planes spot torps and spot ships behind islands close by.

CV's were never intended to spot and originally didnt get XP from spotting IIRC but CV's have changed dramatically from release date so perhaps that was added.....even tho XP and credit gains were nerfed twice.

CV spotting IS crucial to a win, good CV players do it and mehCV players dont. Also higher lvl CV's are less likely to spot due to the obscene amount of AA in T10 matches where a DD can knock down a squadron of planes in seconds.

This, plus, cruicers with 8km 100+++ AA Rating with 7km spot, you lost your squad magically.

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1 hour ago, hipcanuck said:

CV's were never intended to spot and originally didnt get XP from spotting IIRC but CV's have changed dramatically from release date so perhaps that was added.....even tho XP and credit gains were nerfed twice.

I don't think CV get a lot of XP or credits for scouting most of it has to come from dealing damage that's why you see a lot of CV just focus on dealing damage and not spot or give AA cover there is no reward for doing it even less now clear sky is gone.

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6 hours ago, _Prometh3us said:

PLANES are what is supposed to scout.

Just a bit of info for you if WG wanted CV to be the main spotter why didn't they give them flying boats to use as a spotter as there only weapon was depth charges?

They were utilized in various tasks from anti-submarine patrol to air-sea rescue and gunfire spotting for battleships. Aircraft such as the PBM Mariner patrol bomber, PBY Catalina, Short Sunderland, and Grumman Goose recovered downed airmen and operated as scout aircraft that plane sounds like a spotter plane not a fighter plane or DB.

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7 hours ago, ausanimal said:

I know this will piss a lot off people off

I'm not surprised you getting a lot of crap.  Its funny these people are giving you crap because they want you to spot so they can farm damage.  It is a little ironic because you want the same thing, you want the DDs to spot for the team so you don't have to waste your time spotting when you could be out there farming damage. 

You're right, DDs get the most XP for spotting, (I believe CVs are second for spotting XP) but spotting doesn't give you much XP at all.  So spotting doesn't pay and its boring and yet everyone wants DDs to do it.  Funny, everyone wants to DDs to spot and cap and they also want the radar button to push to kill them when they try.  The thing is, you're a victim of radar too.  You now have to pick up the slack for the DDs since they can't safely spot anymore.  And making things worse for you is DDs are far more likely to flank around to avoid the radar threat, and that puts them in position to CV snipe you.      

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Who gives a [edited] what WG intended.

CVs that spot are OP, way more effective at winning matches for their teams than those that just damage farm. Damages farming in CVs is like damage farming in any other class, it's for morons that don't realize damage alone doesn't win games.

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8 hours ago, ausanimal said:

To many people take CV spotting as a must job for CV to do when it's the DD job to spot

The entitlement in OPs thread has truly taken on EPIC proportions! What, did nobody THANK you enough for your spotting? Or did you get read the riot act because you actually started spouting all this nonsense in the middle of a match? This argument makes as much sense as saying BBs shouldn't one shot DDs and Cruisers unless they get thanked enough, or that cruisers should step up and do their fair share of torping so DDs don't have to. If your ship is good at something, and you are actually mature enough to have a "for my team" viewpoint, then you should just do whatever you can to secure the win for your team and not whine about it. Cool down, go ask Grandma for an Otter Pop, and go back to the game when you've mellowed out.

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This is one of those topics thats so divisive its almost not worth talking about. You ask 3 veteran players what the CVs role should be & you are likely to get 5 different answers & all 3 will be utterly convinced they are right. 

You know what I want CV drivers to do? Not suck...

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