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New 100mm HE pen : commander respec ?

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WIth the introduction of the new HE pen regarding 100mm guns, will WG gives us the ability to respect our Akizuki or whatever 100mm IFHE captain ? 

 

While 32mm HE pen seems juicy, to me it seems really situationnal. I'll just try the moment the patch will come to have a proper opinion and evaluate pros and cons but it would be great to have at least an opportunity to change our commander if we want to get rid of this skill. 4pt captain isn't cheap considering how good other perk can be on Akizuki.

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12 minutes ago, AlcatrazNC said:

WIth the introduction of the new HE pen regarding 100mm guns, will WG gives us the ability to respect our Akizuki or whatever 100mm IFHE captain ? 

 

While 32mm HE pen seems juicy, to me it seems really situationnal. I'll just try the moment the patch will come to have a proper opinion and evaluate pros and cons but it would be great to have at least an opportunity to change our commander if we want to get rid of this skill. 4pt captain isn't cheap considering how good other perk can be on Akizuki.

I'm kinda glade I picked camo first for my Aki...:fish_book: still IFHE isn't a bad skill for some DDs

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Sorry, but I cant see how IFHE is situational for the new Aki. You can pen the deck of most ships with 32mm and the bow and stern of all the ships you may encounter. You basically get the HE pen of a CL with IFHE in the Akizuki package.

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19 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

Sorry, but I cant see how IFHE is situational for the new Aki. You can pen the deck of most ships with 32mm and the bow and stern of all the ships you may encounter. You basically get the HE pen of a CL with IFHE in the Akizuki package.

Considering the only reason why I took IFHE was to pen most DD and BB super structures, this is resolving it and buffing it really in every way. (22mm with pre patch IFHE vs 25mm & +1% fire increase) I can see exactly where to spend my extra 4 points on things that I could use to survive much.

Also... just putting emphasis. Since you already kill the BBs super structure a +1% fire rate on super fast firing guns is most welcomed vs shooting against the bow and stern of ships.

Please note that this isn't saying that you are wrong / unskilled. Just my opinions and weighing pros / cons.

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15 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

Sorry, but I cant see how IFHE is situational for the new Aki. You can pen the deck of most ships with 32mm and the bow and stern of all the ships you may encounter. You basically get the HE pen of a CL with IFHE in the Akizuki package.

 

I can easily hit the superstructure of a ship so having 25mm pen is just enough. I have no issue working with the current Akizuki, I had no issue working with the old Akizuki (without IFHE) so I'll have no issue using the "new" Akizuki. 

As I said, I'll try the moment the patch will hit live server but I want to know if we have an option to respec our commander

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Being able to pen the bow of BBs is incredibly useful not sure why you would want to respec away from that. 

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1 hour ago, AlcatrazNC said:

WIth the introduction of the new HE pen regarding 100mm guns, will WG gives us the ability to respect our Akizuki or whatever 100mm IFHE captain ? 

I seriously doubt it, as it's a buff.

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13 minutes ago, Wombatmetal said:

Being able to pen the bow of BBs is incredibly useful not sure why you would want to respec away from that. 

 

I'm not denying that but I feel like those 4 pt could be spent somewhere else like :

-Super Intendant

-DE (coupled with BFT I currently use)

-RPF

-Manual AA

-Smoke screen expert ?

 

Now that we have that 25mm HE pen the ship is more flexible when it comes to commander spec.

 

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Depends on what you want to do.

If you're going cap pushing, contesting, and DD-hunting with Aki, I'd put those 4 points elsewhere.

If you plan on using her like a cruiser with smokes, I'd leave it on so you can more reliably pen the 32mm plating on BBs with HE.

Personally I'm probably going to leave IFHE on. Even with the buff she'll still be as capable at killing enemy DDs as she was, but now she'll be even more effective against battleships and cruisers.

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1 hour ago, Merlox said:

Considering the only reason why I took IFHE was to pen most DD and BB super structures, this is resolving it and buffing it really in every way. (22mm with pre patch IFHE vs 25mm & +1% fire increase) I can see exactly where to spend my extra 4 points on things that I could use to survive much.

Also... just putting emphasis. Since you already kill the BBs super structure a +1% fire rate on super fast firing guns is most welcomed vs shooting against the bow and stern of ships.

Please note that this isn't saying that you are wrong / unskilled. Just my opinions and weighing pros / cons.

 

Of course, you can use the 4 points of the IFHE on RPF and play more like a DD hunter, no question about it. However,  at least vs BBs, sooner or later the superstructure gets damage saturated, you therefore do less damage. Being able to penetrate areas of the ship that aren't saturated will yield better results.

What I mean to say bottom line, is that IFHE will still remain a very relevant skill on the Akizuki and her successors. It's up to you how you will build her commander.

1 hour ago, AlcatrazNC said:

 

I can easily hit the superstructure of a ship so having 25mm pen is just enough. I have no issue working with the current Akizuki, I had no issue working with the old Akizuki (without IFHE) so I'll have no issue using the "new" Akizuki. 

As I said, I'll try the moment the patch will hit live server but I want to know if we have an option to respec our commander

 

For any respecs offered I am truly at a loss. I think because we haven't read anything on the patch notes, it won't be offered....

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The biggest benefit of this, greater than the ability to pen bbs, is the ability to penetrate all cruisers in the game except for moskva. This is an incredibly important buff for the ship

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This is a good discussion. I guess WG should give players the opportunity to re-spec for free (i think that is the way they gone previously when the change up silverships) but havent heard anything from WG or the CCs about this.

I was also considering re-speccing for RPF since that is the thing i have on all my other DDs that i had to miss out on to have IFHE on my Aki. I feel RPF will benefit me since they give Aki a concealment nerf with this HE buff so knowing if you gonna run into a enemy DD going in for a cap is of course really valuable. That said, there is a argument to be made for the possibility to gain some more damage thru penning BB bows and sterns. 

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Nevermind...got confused on the details (was confusing the Aki gun buff w/the Gearing gun buff...but then I reread it & realized I was way off the mark.

Edited by IfYouSeeKhaos

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1 minute ago, LCPL4ever said:

does the 100mm pen buff affect the Harekaze?

Yes...but as it is a premium it will be getting no nerfs w/the buff.

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31 minutes ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

Yes...but as it is a premium it will be getting no nerfs w/the buff.

Only the Akizuki will be getting nerfs, and those don't really have anything to do with the buffs.

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21 minutes ago, Admiral_Franz_von_Hipper said:

Only the Akizuki will be getting nerfs, and those don't really have anything to do with the buffs.

"Considering the significant improvements for the 100 mm HE shells, the following parameters of Tier VIII destroyer Akizuki will change:

Detectability range by sea was increased from 7.56 to 7.76 km;

Detectability range after firing main guns in smoke was increased from 2.39 to 2.48 km;

Rudder shift time for Hull (B) was increased from 4.6 to 5.6 sec;

Rudder shift time for Hull (A) was increased from 6.5 to 7.8 sec."

 

It sounds kinda like they are related per the update notes.

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7 hours ago, AlcatrazNC said:

While 32mm HE pen seems juicy, to me it seems really situationnal.

IFHE does not just allow the Akizuki to pen 32mm of armor, but also 27mm's and 25mm's of armor as well.  Every single cruiser and BB between Tier 8 and 10 has armor plating between 25mm and 32mm of armor, and every single BB tiers 5 to 7 has 25mm armor plating.  Or to put it another way.....every single time you fire your guns at a cruiser Tier 8+ or any BB, IFHE will be useful.  

6 hours ago, Merlox said:

 (22mm with pre patch IFHE vs 25mm & +1% fire increase)

The Akizuki can't actually pen 25mm of armor with out IFHE.  Due to a quirk of the game, HE pen has to exceed the armor value in order to do damage.

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Imagine what some of the players here could do if they learned what the “2” key does. :Smile_facepalm:

Perhaps use that stealth, relative to cruisers, to put yourself into a better position so you have a better angle on a target. 

Nah, just bang your face on the keyboard and HE spam. :etc_red_button:

i honestly hope IFHE gets removed. It causes significant balance issues and now the reason for its existence is gone. 

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14 minutes ago, Blackgunner said:

Good heck.  1/3 HE pen what wizardry is this bullpuckey?

no, it's 1/4 + 30% from IFHE

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I have a 19 point captain for my Akizuki/Harekaze as I imagine many of you do and was hoping for a free respec. I'd really like to play around with builds since this is a big change, but I guess I'll have to be happy with this pornographic buff and get busy penetrating pretty much everything....giggity

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1 hour ago, MrDeaf said:

no, it's 1/4 + 30% from IFHE

Which effectively makes it 1/3...

 

100/4 = 25 x 1.3 = 32.5

100/3 = 33.33 repeating, of course.

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This change will make it possible for HE shells to penetrate the armor of all destroyers except the main armor belt of Khabarovsk.

What I don't understand about this buff is that from the sounds of it they want the 100mm HE shells to be capable of penning the armour of other DDs without the need for IFHE. Okay that's fine, but aren't they planning to decrease the armour for all DDs to 13mm so that they no longer take normal pen damage from BB AP? What's the point then? 

Without IFHE DD penning capability looks like this:

IJN 100mm - 24mm

114mm - 18mm

120mm - 19mm

127/8mm - 20mm

130mm - 21mm

139mm - 22mm

I know the RN DD line is WIP and subject to change, but if it doesn't get 1/4 pen then IFHE will likely be a must have. 

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