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Soooo I am planning to invest in some T8 premiums.

I am very comfortable in the Bismarck but I found it to be somewhat limited in many situations

I found the North Carolina to be amazing and did very well with her in ranked as well but not as comfortable as the Bismarck.

As the Alabama and Tirpitz are practically premium versions of these two I couldn't decide on which one to pick.

The main goal for the purchase is 'Credit grinding' + 'Captain retraining' , but for the German tree, I already have the Graf Spee.

For Alabama I am planning to use it in ranked instead of the North Carolina.

Any suggestions?

p.s. planning to only buy one ship

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I have both, so why not both?

 

Nor cal and the bama are slightly different. Nor cal has better gun accuracy. Bama is slightly more maneuverable and has that torpedo damage reduction bonus.

 

The Torptiz and the Biz are the same with the exception of the torps.  The tirpitz also has worse AA

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Alabama is useful in more situations than Tirpitz, IMO

Like you don't have to resort to shooting HE at a bow on DM or Hindy

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If you plan on using the Graf Spee, a tier 6, as your german trainer, you are on for a long, long, grind :Smile_playing:
Unlike the Tirpitz and the Bismarck, Alabama and North Carolina don't play exactly alike. Alabama's sigma value leaves much to be desired at 1.8, unlike the ecstatic 2.0 on the North Carolina. In return, Alabama receieves a better armor profile (although the cheek is still exposed), enhanced maneuverbility (not by much, North Cal is good enough), and an excellent torpedo bulge (which you shouldn't need if you have good awareness). Alabama needs to take more risks and fight at closer quarters than the North Carolina, and she is well equipped(?) to do so.

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Alabama is more flexible so you can do well in her in more situations than you can in Tirpitz. That makes her a better and more consistent credit grinder.

Tirpitz basically has get close while Alabama doesn't have to but can if she wants to.

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27 minutes ago, The_first_harbinger said:

If you plan on using the Graf Spee, a tier 6, as your german trainer, you are on for a long, long, grind :Smile_playing:
Unlike the Tirpitz and the Bismarck, Alabama and North Carolina don't play exactly alike. Alabama's sigma value leaves much to be desired at 1.8, unlike the ecstatic 2.0 on the North Carolina. In return, Alabama receieves a better armor profile (although the cheek is still exposed), enhanced maneuverbility (not by much, North Cal is good enough), and an excellent torpedo bulge (which you shouldn't need if you have good awareness). Alabama needs to take more risks and fight at closer quarters than the North Carolina, and she is well equipped(?) to do so.

Actually, Alabama is not that inaccurate comparing to the North Carolina. It has 1.9 sigma vs 2.0 on the NC and the same dispersion values (if we compare to the NC without the gun upgrade so they have almost the same range, with 40m of difference). 

 

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6 minutes ago, LordJP_ said:

Actually, Alabama is not that inaccurate comparing to the North Carolina. It has 1.9 sigma vs 2.0 on the NC and the same dispersion values (if we compare to the NC without the gun upgrade so they have almost the same range, with 40m of difference). 

 

It was 1.8 last I checked, and every .1 makes a very big difference. The base dispersion values on NC and Alabama is terrible. Sigma values are what really accounts for the difference between water plunge+deck bounce+overpen vs 6-shells-into-citadel. 

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No point in getting either. There isnt any real difference in NC v Bama or Tirp v Bis. I understand you wanting to get ships for captain training and credit grinding but is the price really worth it for those reasons alone when you factor in how trash tier VIII MM is with constant uptiering? For me persoanlly, the answer is no and it is an easy no. Regarding Bama specifically, there isnt any point in getting it over Mass other than to avoid having to use a special captain in it but overall there isnt a situation I would rather have a Bama over the Mass. With that said, why buy Bama when you can just use Mass to train a captain regardless of the special build it requires then just use elite commander XP to respec him. Mass just seems to be more fun and it seems to perform better. Save your money. Dont buy tier VIII prems. If captain training and credit grinding is your main goal and you already have Graf Spee for your German captains, just buy Arizona for your USN captains. (Assuming you dont have the Missouri. If you have Mighty Mo then my answer is SAVE your money. Period. You dont need Bama, NC or Mass if you have Mighty Mo.) GL HF.

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15 minutes ago, The_first_harbinger said:

It was 1.8 last I checked, and every .1 makes a very big difference. The base dispersion values on NC and Alabama is terrible. Sigma values are what really accounts for the difference between water plunge+deck bounce+overpen vs 6-shells-into-citadel. 

I just checked:

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2 hours ago, Carbapenem_17 said:

Soooo I am planning to invest in some T8 premiums.

I am very comfortable in the Bismarck but I found it to be somewhat limited in many situations

I found the North Carolina to be amazing and did very well with her in ranked as well but not as comfortable as the Bismarck.

As the Alabama and Tirpitz are practically premium versions of these two I couldn't decide on which one to pick.

The main goal for the purchase is 'Credit grinding' + 'Captain retraining' , but for the German tree, I already have the Graf Spee.

For Alabama I am planning to use it in ranked instead of the North Carolina.

Any suggestions?

p.s. planning to only buy one ship

Seems to me, if you cant decide between the Alabama and the Tirpitz, why not compromise and get the Massachusetts? The Mass is a USN BB (like the bama) and is secondary-focused (like the TIrpitz) makes credits, and seems to overperform on the stats sites. 

PErsonally, I prefer the Tirpitz gameplay much more than the Bismark, so I enjoy the Tirp.  Torpedoes on battleships are fun.  But its definitely not everyone's cup of tea. 

Have you read LittleWhiteMouse 's reviews on all of those ships? If not, have a read, and ask questions here. 

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I wouldn’t get the Massachusetts for a captain training premium because it requires a very specialist commander build to maximize its effectiveness.  If you just drop your North Carolina captain in her you’re missing out on all of the secondary run.  In contrast, Tirpitz and Alabama can easily run your Bismarck or North Carolina captains.

However, for maximum fun, Massachusetts is hard to beat   

 

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Tirpitz/Bis have to be the two least scary T8 BBs out there right now thanks to their underwhelming main battery, tendency to get eaten alive before getting into brawling range, and the fact that they do not uptier well at all. I believe it's widely acknowledged that high tier brawling just isn't viable for anything but memes.

So I'd say Alabama is the clear choice. It's a strong all around performer that uptiers just as well as the NC.

Personally, I'd just get the Massachusetts and stick a 19 point captain on there to grind elite commander XP for your captain training needs though. It's a great boat. 

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Without you having a preference, just wait for the Christmas boxes.

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2 hours ago, The_first_harbinger said:

It was 1.8 last I checked, and every .1 makes a very big difference. The base dispersion values on NC and Alabama is terrible. Sigma values are what really accounts for the difference between water plunge+deck bounce+overpen vs 6-shells-into-citadel. 

No it doesn’t. If nobody told you the values you’d be hard pressed to tell which one had what. 

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1 hour ago, RightYouAreKen said:

I wouldn’t get the Massachusetts for a captain training premium because it requires a very specialist commander build to maximize its effectiveness.  If you just drop your North Carolina captain in her you’re missing out on all of the secondary run.  In contrast, Tirpitz and Alabama can easily run your Bismarck or North Carolina captains.

However, for maximum fun, Massachusetts is hard to beat   

 

AFT and CE are “specialist” skills now? :Smile_sceptic:

I run my Des Moines captain in my Massachusetts and do fantastic with it. 

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1 minute ago, HazardDrake said:

No it doesn’t. If nobody told you the values you’d be hard pressed to tell which one had what. 

Believe me, you can tell the difference. AL is a bit wonkier, shells more likely to do weird things while the NCs go right where you aim them.

I like both. NC is a mid range sniper, and a good one. AL is a cruiser with 16in guns and lots of armor. Both are good, great even in randoms. AL is more fun because kiting away like a CA in a BB is hilarious. Also, better torpedo beats. NC is slightly better in the more stationary Ranked battles, and the guns really reward an experienced player. The AL will do just fine, but the NC is that little bit better for ranked. Overall, the AL is awesome and I totally recommend it.

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1 minute ago, AJTP89 said:

Believe me, you can tell the difference. AL is a bit wonkier, shells more likely to do weird things while the NCs go right where you aim them.

I like both. NC is a mid range sniper, and a good one. AL is a cruiser with 16in guns and lots of armor. Both are good, great even in randoms. AL is more fun because kiting away like a CA in a BB is hilarious. Also, better torpedo beats. NC is slightly better in the more stationary Ranked battles, and the guns really reward an experienced player. The AL will do just fine, but the NC is that little bit better for ranked. Overall, the AL is awesome and I totally recommend it.

A 0.1 sigma difference will be essentially undifferentiable by the naked eye.  Have a look at the shell spashes that LWM puts up in her reviews - those a 400 shots, and the space difference is minimal - ie, in the heat of battle, you wont notice the difference.  

Personally, I've found the NC guns to be mildly trollish, even at really close ranges. Now, if that happened with an Alabama, you'd say "Got trolled by awful sigma of the Bama".  But they're both wonky.  

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11 minutes ago, HazardDrake said:

AFT and CE are “specialist” skills now? :Smile_sceptic:

I run my Des Moines captain in my Massachusetts and do fantastic with it. 

I'm speaking more about Manual Secondaries, which I consider highly recommended for Mass, but is pretty worthless on anything else USN.

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Tirpitz, when it came out (with the shorter range secondaries) was my favorite ship in the game.  Mainly because back then, the other options out there were limited, she looked cool, she had torps for lols, and she was historically significant.  Eventually she got Bismarck's secondary range, which made her even more fun.  But due to other new lines and new favorites, I haven't played her much in the past year.  

I was in a hurry to get North Carolina early in my WOWS career and free XPed past Colorado to get her.  I didn't do great in her, and didn't really understand the play style at the time.  I played her a lot, but never got on with her all that well, so I kinda shelved her.

When Alabama came out, I held off initially because of my rough time with NC.  But I caved, and it became my favorite ship in the game.  I love it's smaller size and higher agility compared to NC.  It makes it much easier to dodge, reposition, kite, and generally be more flexible in a match.  And her torpedo belt makes her more comfortable and secure to play.

Then Massachusetts came out, and became my new favorite ship in the game.  I stuck a dedicated commander in her and built her out like my old German BBs for max secondaries (incl Manual Secondaries).  She's been a blast, but she hasn't diminished the fun of Alabama.

With Alabama on sale, seems like a no brainer.  She's great.

 

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I have both, and I flip flop my Bismarck or GK captain over to the Tirpitz. Which means using her to boost elite captain experience for me and a few extra credits cause TIrp is a Premium.  Both are solid botes, it is more about what your preferred play style is. Alabama is better maneuvering than the NC, but the NC's guns are a bit more accurate, both are AA monsters.  Bismarck gets better AA and Hydro, Tirp to get torpedoes gives up some on AA and no Hydro.  So choose based on how you like to play.

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I have a mental block or something with Bama & just cant seem to hit well with it. Conversely it seems I rarely have a bad match in the Tirpiz even when uptiered consequently she is allot more fun to play IMO. 

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Sooooo after giving it some thought, I got the Mass instead. And having a great time in it! Thanks for all the help :cap_like:

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