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Operation Ultimate Frontier: Very Vague Potential Tactics

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Enemy Spawns

  • DDs west of SE spawn point
  • BBs and CA further west of SE spawn point
  • 1 -3 CLs in the NE
  • CV, Dallas, 1-2 DDs and Dive Bombers in the SW
  • Large enemy force from S
  • Large enemy force from  SE
  • Small enemy force from SW

Ships Needed

  1. BB
  2. BB
  3. CA/CL/CV
  4. CA
  5. CA/CL
  6. CL
  7. DD

Plan (in order)

  • Destroy DDs
  • Destroy BBs
  • DD (preferably Haida) skirts S border and attempts to take out Raptor
    • Possible due to ability to single fire torpedoes to go through gaps between rocks
    • If torpedoes does not fully kill raptor, gunfire will suffice
    • Will most likely die
  • 1 BB and one Cruiser goes NE to take out enemy Cruisers
    • Regroup with Base Defenders
  • 1 BB and the rest of the Cruisers defend Base near or around the repair site
  • 1 or 2 Cruisers from Base Defenders will need to go west to defend from the SW enemy fleet before or after regrouping
    • Needs to regroup with Base Defenders afterwards

Aircraft Carrier

  • CV just needs to focus on protecting the skies from enemy bombers and attacking direct enemy ships
  • CV does not need to CV snipe because of Dallas and Sims
    • They will negate and destroy the bombers

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Do you want me to list out strategies that my operations division have used and do work?

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Sounds good, but it has not been any fun getting totally creamed every game. I quit trying yesterday, when I decided I only have so many heartbeats left, and I was not going to waste any more of them trying win this op. Frustration, caused by a game is not my idea of fun. Challenging, yes, but I'm not going to keep playing "300" as the Greeks. If you know what I mean.

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3 minutes ago, Lightninger said:

Do you want me to list out strategies that my operations division have used and do work?

Go for it. Everyone could probably use the help. Mine is little basis and is only the result of 3 total battles from last night and like 2 a long time ago.

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1 minute ago, ol_Cajun said:

Sounds good, but it has not been any fun getting totally creamed every game. I quit trying yesterday, when I decided I only have so many heartbeats left, and I was not going to waste any more of them trying win this op. Frustration, caused by a game is not my idea of fun. Challenging, yes, but I'm not going to keep playing "300" as the Greeks. If you know what I mean.

Just gotta form a trustworthy division or get randoms to cooperate. I played some last night with my Clan and 2 other people and we got far but only got a 1 star. It is probably due to little planning other than go to H2 that led to this. With a plan, something can be done.

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I find the Scharnhorst & Lyon 2 of the better BB's for UF.

Deleting the 2 DD's quickly at the start of the battle seems to be the key for CV's. I've been in many UF were the CV is the 1st ship sunk & usually just 3 or 4 minutes into the battle. 

The Yorck is a difficult ship for me. I've only seen one do well in UF.

I don't see many British CL's in UF. I'm not sure why.

Like a good CV's driver, a good DD is an asset.

 

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8 minutes ago, kgh52 said:

I find the Scharnhorst & Lyon 2 of the better BB's for UF.

Deleting the 2 DD's quickly at the start of the battle seems to be the key for CV's. I've been in many UF were the CV is the 1st ship sunk & usually just 3 or 4 minutes into the battle. 

The Yorck is a difficult ship for me. I've only seen one do well in UF.

I don't see many British CL's in UF. I'm not sure why.

Like a good CV's driver, a good DD is an asset.

 

I've played Kaga for my first two runs last night. It's been awhile since I played so I thought Raptor was alone. It wasn't. Figured I'd try again the second time. Wish I hadn't. I figured it is best for CV to control the skies and bomb direct targets. No more. No less.

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35 minutes ago, Vangm94 said:

Go for it. Everyone could probably use the help. Mine is little basis and is only the result of 3 total battles from last night and like 2 a long time ago.

What would you like me to elaborate on?

Killing Raptor early game - Need 2 people
Killing Raptor late game - Need 1 person
Using an offensive smoke - Need 1 person
Torpedoing/Stalling incoming waves/air targets - Need 1 person
Killing Dallas/Atlanta/Indianapolis - Depends
Killing Beginning destroyers - Need multiple people

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5 minutes ago, Lightninger said:

What would you like me to elaborate on?

Killing Raptor early game - Need 2 people
Killing Raptor late game - Need 1 person
Using an offensive smoke - Need 1 person
Torpedoing/Stalling incoming waves/air targets - Need 1 person
Killing Dallas/Atlanta/Indianapolis - Depends
Killing Beginning destroyers - Need multiple people

I say make one post for each tactic. That or post your videos when you make them.

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2 minutes ago, Vangm94 said:

I say make one post for each tactic. That or post your videos when you make them.

Well I can post videos or give brief explanations for several of them already.
 

Killing Raptor early game

CV / BB combo (preferably long range BB like Nagato or Colorado) - CV spots and BBs use spotter plane to shoot the Raptor from distrance
CV / DD combo - CV spots and DDs smokes at E1/F1 border and shoots the Raptor

Here is an image of the routes the Raptor takes, and as far as I know is still current. Do not try to attack the Raptor early if you don't have a solid pair who can do it, as it will be very difficult to kill it with it hiding on the western edge if you damage it early and don't kill it.

https://imgur.com/8MX7BUR


Killing Raptor late game / Using an offensive smoke

 

Beginning part of this video gives an example of using offensive smoke, though it is rushed. There are better examples in my full replays in my channel or the one Lord Zath recorded.

Ending part of the video shows how you send a destroyer south into the center to spot/hunt the Raptor and others can help finish it as well.


Torpedoing/Stalling incoming waves/air targets

 

See video


Killing Dallas/Atlanta/Indianapolis

This really depends on what ship you're using. This is very easy for the Leningrad on the Dallas/Atlanta as you will see in the video. The video is showing an older version with a Cleveland but it is no different with the Dallas. The Gadjah Mada and Blyskawica can also torpedo the Dallas but don't quite have the speed to do the same for the Atlanta. If you don't mind taking some damage, you can rush torpedo using a tech tree destroyer.

 

The Indianapolis is killed easiest bringing BB east along the E line where it has the broadside. In worst case scenario, have a cruiser at G9/8 at the end of the island to torpedo it as starts heading for the plane entry point.


Killing Beginning destroyers

Easiest way is bring a radar cruiser to keep the DDs spotted for longer or if you have a CV, the CV keeps the DDs spotted while you shoot them. See the full replays for this.

 

Do you want me to post the full replays here?

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3 minutes ago, Lightninger said:

Well I can post videos or give brief explanations for several of them already.
 

Killing Raptor early game

CV / BB combo (preferably long range BB like Nagato or Colorado) - CV spots and BBs use spotter plane to shoot the Raptor from distrance
CV / DD combo - CV spots and DDs smokes at E1/F1 border and shoots the Raptor

Here is an image of the routes the Raptor takes, and as far as I know is still current. Do not try to attack the Raptor early if you don't have a solid pair who can do it, as it will be very difficult to kill it with it hiding on the western edge if you damage it early and don't kill it.

https://imgur.com/8MX7BUR


Killing Raptor late game / Using an offensive smoke

 

Beginning part of this video gives an example of using offensive smoke, though it is rushed. There are better examples in my full replays in my channel or the one Lord Zath recorded.

Ending part of the video shows how you send a destroyer south into the center to spot/hunt the Raptor and others can help finish it as well.


Torpedoing/Stalling incoming waves/air targets

 

See video


Killing Dallas/Atlanta/Indianapolis

This really depends on what ship you're using. This is very easy for the Leningrad on the Dallas/Atlanta as you will see in the video. The video is showing an older version with a Cleveland but it is no different with the Dallas. The Gadjah Mada and Blyskawica can also torpedo the Dallas but don't quite have the speed to do the same for the Atlanta. If you don't mind taking some damage, you can rush torpedo using a tech tree destroyer.

 

The Indianapolis is killed easiest bringing BB east along the E line where it has the broadside. In worst case scenario, have a cruiser at G9/8 at the end of the island to torpedo it as starts heading for the plane entry point.


Killing Beginning destroyers

Easiest way is bring a radar cruiser to keep the DDs spotted for longer or if you have a CV, the CV keeps the DDs spotted while you shoot them. See the full replays for this.

 

Do you want me to post the full replays here?

It's what I usually do when I have battles I want to showcase. My videos are in my tactic threads in my signature.

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3 minutes ago, Vangm94 said:

It's what I usually do when I have battles I want to showcase. My videos are in my tactic threads in my signature.

I have a video for the current patch. We did a run for a challenge to 5 star all the operations and this game was during the current patch. I already posted it in another thread recently.

Here is a slightly older one from a couple patches ago.

And here are the mirror replays to go with it for multiple perspectives.

 

 

 

I also have a replay from patch 0.7.3, one from before 0.7.3, and one Lord Zath recorded that was before 0.7.3 as well but those are not as relevant.

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Might as well do nothing but spot; carriers can do (redacted)-all else in UF thanks to WG putting in so much DFAA.

Might as well come right out and deliberately exclude carriers from the Op.

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If you have a CO and/or Nagato while in a CV (preferably a divi-mate), early Raptor is no problem since they both have the range and accuracy to do it with zero risk of retaliation from either her escorts or her bombers.  But it can be done with any BB available.  Hell, I've done it with Nelson with no issue when the CV in the match got Raptor spotted early.:Smile_Default:

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@Vangm94 You do realize that the AI follow up ships spawn in different areas? It is great that you and others went to the trouble to spread the word of How to beat this consistently!

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2 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Might as well do nothing but spot; carriers can do (redacted)-all else in UF thanks to WG putting in so much DFAA.

Might as well come right out and deliberately exclude carriers from the Op.

Intel. A good CV can bring in Intel from any operation. Otherwise you just go in blind. I had memorized some of the OPs when they first came out so I knew when to prepare to snipe enemy CVs with my Ryujo.

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1 minute ago, CAPTMUDDXX said:

@Vangm94 You do realize that the AI follow up ships spawn in different areas? It is great that you and others went to the trouble to spread the word of How to beat this consistently!

As far as I know, there are usually two (maybe three) variations of enemy spawns. Just gotta memorize both and hope that you get the one you want. I've not 5 started it yet. Mine is mostly on experience from 3 battles, 2 in Kaga and 1 in Haida. Plan is better than no plan.

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5 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Might as well do nothing but spot; carriers can do (redacted)-all else in UF thanks to WG putting in so much DFAA.

Might as well come right out and deliberately exclude carriers from the Op.

There are ways for CVs to attack as well. My division mates do it when they run their CVs. If you want to learn, come and run with my division.

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@Estimated_Prophet I happen to do quite well with my Ranger and Saipan both with spotting, sinking DDs, CAs, BBs, occasionally the AI CV, spotting and intercepting the AI bombers. Of course if the escorting teammates run off too quick I get pounded by the closest BB, CA task force.

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5 minutes ago, CAPTMUDDXX said:

@Vangm94 You do realize that the AI follow up ships spawn in different areas? It is great that you and others went to the trouble to spread the word of How to beat this consistently!

If you are talking about incoming waves, there are three spots they can spawn at, one east, one south, and one west.

4 minutes ago, Vangm94 said:

As far as I know, there are usually two (maybe three) variations of enemy spawns. Just gotta memorize both and hope that you get the one you want. I've not 5 started it yet. Mine is mostly on experience from 3 battles, 2 in Kaga and 1 in Haida. Plan is better than no plan.

If you still need to 5 star this, come run with the division. I've done this twice in the past couple days with my operations division and both times were 4 stars, one of the times was really close to 5 stars. An organized coordinated group with voice comms really helps for getting a 5 star in any operation. I have a special set of videos where we 5 starred all the operations with the same 7 players for a challenge.

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10 minutes ago, Lightninger said:

If you are talking about incoming waves, there are three spots they can spawn at, one east, one south, and one west.

If you still need to 5 star this, come run with the division. I've done this twice in the past couple days with my operations division and both times were 4 stars, one of the times was really close to 5 stars. An organized coordinated group with voice comms really helps for getting a 5 star in any operation. I have a special set of videos where we 5 starred all the operations with the same 7 players for a challenge.

Thanks for the offer. I will most likely run with my Clan for this one.

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1 hour ago, kgh52 said:

I find the Scharnhorst & Lyon 2 of the better BB's for UF.

 

I've found this to be true, I also tried Ashitaka, bought it yesterday but it I wasn't as successful as I am with Scharnhorst and Lyon.  It seems to me, that ships like Ashitaka have guns are that are too large in their caliber.  When you hit a cruiser, of which there are plenty, you get over-pens all the time.  I once broadside a cruiser twice, 7 over-pens followed by another 5 over-pens.  Finally switched to HE and sank it.  

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25 minutes ago, CAPTMUDDXX said:

@Estimated_Prophet I happen to do quite well with my Ranger and Saipan both with spotting, sinking DDs, CAs, BBs, occasionally the AI CV, spotting and intercepting the AI bombers. Of course if the escorting teammates run off too quick I get pounded by the closest BB, CA task force.

I see players say this all the time, but have never seen a carrier actually do any good in UF. Driving one myself, or watching someone else play one.

Best I personally ever did was in Sims, and Nelson, (better even than in my Scharnhorst.)

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3 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

I see players say this all the time, but have never seen a carrier actually do any good in UF. Driving one myself, or watching someone else play one.

Best I personally ever did was in Sims, and Nelson, (better even than in my Scharnhorst.)

You just gotta get the Experienced CV in your team. :fish_cute_2:

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31 minutes ago, Vangm94 said:

You just gotta get the Experienced CV in your team. :fish_cute_2:

Those are unicorns or Bigfoots...

They either don’t exist or are always on someone else’s team...

Best I ever did personally in UF in a carrier was with in Kaga; and only then by parking behind that big SE corner island (alone,) and fighting from there. (Every other time I tried to move with the team nothing happened except getting swarmed and shot to hell because nobody ever seemed to be able kill anything efficiently enough.)

Every op has players who say ‘this is op bovine byproducts!’ and others who might as well be saying ‘why are you having so much trouble? we five-stared blindfolded and with one hand tied behind our backs!’

What each believes is obviously based on what they’ve personally experienced.

For me; I have little patience for an Op where it seems like everyone has to be perfect to stand any real chance of completing it.

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