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Can we do something about Cancerqueror

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I think I speak for a lot of people in describing it as one of, if not the most hated ship in the game.

I honestly hate the whole British BB line and think WG really screwed that line up with this idiotic HE spam focus.

Ideally I would like Cancerqueror just removed from game entirely but that won't happen, so I have on suggestion how how to make this ship less frustrating and brain dead. 

Remove the 419s, easy, simple, and fixes the most annoying thing about this ship.

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1 minute ago, MutsuKaiNi said:

I think I speak for a lot of people in describing it as one of, if not the most hated ship in the game.

I honestly hate the whole British BB line and think WG really screwed that line up with this idiotic HE spam focus.

Ideally I would like Cancerqueror just removed from game entirely but that won't happen, so I have on suggestion how how to make this ship less frustrating and brain dead. 

Remove the 419s, easy, simple, and fixes the most annoying thing about this ship.

It's already been nerfed and if it gets focused it dies to pens easy.

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sure, let's remove it along with khabarovsk , shimakaze, fletcher, gearing, yueyang, chungmu, zao , hindenburg, henri IV, des moines and kutuzov

this way no more bb will get hurt

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Removing the 419s wouldn’t do squat considering the bigger guns are just as cancerous/fun.

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Dont take my conqs 419s. It makes it easy to get Arsonists on demand and can potentially be a quest helper :O 

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The worst thing about the Conq's HE shells is that they have no real weakness. They have 1/4 HE pen because reasons, absurd fire chance, and high alpha. All of these form a perfect triangle of traits that leaves the HE absurdly powerful. IMO to properly balance Conq, take away one of these. Nerf its fire chance to the dust, stomp the alpha into the ground, or take away its 1/4 HE pen

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1 minute ago, BunnyDestroyerShimakaze said:

 or take away its 1/4 HE pen

419/6=69.833333

419/4=104.75

i dont think there's that many armour between these 2 values..

yamato deck midsection is something like 57mm iirc

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They should have made the whole line more like Warspite. QE is as close as it gets, and it still has the braindead HE.

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1 minute ago, jason199506 said:

419/6=69.833333

419/4=104.75

i dont think there's that many armour between these 2 values..

yamato deck midsection is something like 57mm iirc

Its just a nerf to its HE pen that I thought off off the top of my head. 1/7 or even 1/8 HE pen would be interesting to see and IMO best but I doubt thatll ever happen so Im not holding my breath on that

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26 minutes ago, jason199506 said:

hindenburg

Hindenburg eats BBs, except for one... Republique...

 

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44 minutes ago, jason199506 said:

i dont think there's that many armour between these 2 values..

The main victims of Conqueror's 1/4 HE penetration are the Minotaur, Neptune, Seattle, Donskoi and Chapayev which can all be citadelled by her HE because of it.

The problem is IMO more significant at lower tiers, where lots of the cruisers have <100mm belts, or 76mm belts in particular.

 

Edit. Seattle too

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58 minutes ago, MutsuKaiNi said:

I honestly hate the whole British BB line and think WG really screwed that line up with this idiotic HE spam focus.

I agree! HE spamming is the domain of CRUISERS! How dare WG intrude BBs into OUR specialty!  :cap_viking:

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1 hour ago, jason199506 said:

sure, let's remove it along with khabarovsk , shimakaze, fletcher, gearing, yueyang, chungmu, zao , hindenburg, henri IV, des moines and kutuzov

this way no more bb will get hurt

you forgot minotaur and haku (

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You can, I dunno. Get better and find ways to deal with it? 

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1 hour ago, jason199506 said:

sure, let's remove it along with khabarovsk , shimakaze, fletcher, gearing, yueyang, chungmu, zao , hindenburg, henri IV, des moines and kutuzov

this way no more bb will get hurt

Except that's not really an apt comparison and I mean that from the point of view of a player of Conq and player who faces Conq. (and all the ships you compare it to)

 

Conqueror is an unpleasant concoction of gimmicky extremes and outliers all for the sake of socalled national flavors. A more all around normalized version of Conqueror could be better overall.

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Conqueror is an easy ship to kill.  Her HE packs a mean punch, but it's not really that much different than the damage any other BB at her tier can do just by using AP.  The fires can be annoying, but if you're playing anything with repair party then you can heal back 100% of that damage.  The super heal recovers a lot of health, sure, but it has an insanely long cooldown to the point where the ship can be killed very quickly before it's ready again.  Focus fire takes out the Conqueror very quickly, as long as your team is properly positioned.

 

She's a ship that really takes advantage of any mistakes that the enemy team makes, but is very easy to punish if she makes any mistakes of her own.

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There’s nothing wrong with Conqueror.  I never have problems dealing with her.

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It has so many problems....

Uber stealth (WHY?) 

Uber health (why why why? This is ludicrous.) 

Amazing pen, alpha and fire chance on HE

relative mobility. 

No CITADEL? 

 

Like. really. what is wrong with this ship

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1 hour ago, MutsuKaiNi said:

I think I speak for a lot of people in describing it as one of, if not the most hated ship in the game.

I honestly hate the whole British BB line and think WG really screwed that line up with this idiotic HE spam focus.

Ideally I would like Cancerqueror just removed from game entirely but that won't happen, so I have on suggestion how how to make this ship less frustrating and brain dead. 

Remove the 419s, easy, simple, and fixes the most annoying thing about this ship.

Oh look, another THIS SHIP SANK ME, IT MUST BE NERFED!!! post. 

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Everyone keeps saying its an easy kill if you focus fire.. tell me what ship is NOT easy to kill if your focus fire.   Add to that a stupid large heal and a citadel that is next to impossible to reach.  HE that can take off 15-20K damage AND start 1-3 fires, then do it again 30 sec later.  Oh did we mention is has one of the best BB concealment in the game too?  It quite literally had no weakness (AA don't count).

She is full of stupid OP gimmicks that makes her a pain in the [edited]to fight.  Maybe a DD can snipe her with torps 1v1, but not w/ out giving ground (caps) to try it.  No other ship can fight her 1v1 w/ similar player / captain skills.  That is a problem.

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I love the Conq and I know how to reasonably play her well.  

 

 

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