843 [TIF] EvilBrokenCaptain Alpha Tester 1,312 posts 4,574 battles Report post #1 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Since our NA website blog is always slower to update here's a feature article from the EU side of WG. Enjoy! http://blog.worldofwarships.eu/tech-trees-japanese-cruisers/ EU Portal Intro Article http://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/common/tech-trees-japanese-cruisers/ Edited February 18, 2015 by evildrtran Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
181 [DERE] Flamadiddle Beta Testers 539 posts 983 battles Report post #2 Posted February 18, 2015 Boo! You might have just spoiled gunlion's something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
843 [TIF] EvilBrokenCaptain Alpha Tester 1,312 posts 4,574 battles Report post #3 Posted February 18, 2015 Boo! You might have just spoiled gunlion's something I didnt spoil it. The WG EU did. I only facilitated the information. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
174 Fog_Cruiser_Tone Members 813 posts Report post #4 Posted February 18, 2015 Oh my GOD WHEREIS TONE?!?! *Head explode* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
174 Fog_Cruiser_Tone Members 813 posts Report post #5 Posted February 18, 2015 For that matter, no Takao? Fail tree is fail. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
118 [_AAM_] dingodude Alpha Tester 488 posts 10,413 battles Report post #6 Posted February 18, 2015 Why do I get the feeling that Tone will be a premium... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
46 Abyssal_Carrier_Wo Members 257 posts Report post #7 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) One day, Takao will be in an online naval warfare game... One day... Edited February 18, 2015 by Fog_Cruiser_Atago Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
174 Fog_Cruiser_Tone Members 813 posts Report post #8 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Why do I get the feeling that Tone will be a premium... I don't know. Why is Takao not present, though? They were the best real heavy cruisers Japan had (more stable than the Mogamis, more guns than the Tones). But it's not like Tone and Chikuma were the converted aircraft Mogamis, where you're removing turrets and replacing them with aircraft (in many ways becoming something close to a hybrid carrier) -- my class had 4x2 8" turrets, which was just about as good as any other nations' heavy cruisers. And because my turrets were clustered all together, it allowed a more secure magazine/powder handling room system than seen on other ships (aside from the Americans, who up-armored all their cruisers). I'm... very disappointed. Edited February 18, 2015 by Fog_Cruiser_Tone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,705 redblurr Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 4,719 posts Report post #9 Posted February 18, 2015 For that matter, no Takao? Fail tree is fail. Takao is present i the fan kit, so it should be in game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
174 Fog_Cruiser_Tone Members 813 posts Report post #10 Posted February 18, 2015 Takao is present i the fan kit, so it should be in game. Tone is listed there too -_-. However the lack of its presence in the tree is really disheartening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
119 Battleship_Kongo Alpha Tester 546 posts 287 battles Report post #11 Posted February 18, 2015 Takao or riot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,361 RedBear87 Alpha Tester 7,898 posts 27 battles Report post #12 Posted February 18, 2015 II Chikuma Chikuma is the first Japanese cruiser equipped with a steam-turbine plant and an armour belt. She is the only cruiser in the tree that does not carry torpedo tubes. This is in part compensated by her remarkable firepower: the cruiser is equipped with eight 152mm guns. Five of them were used to fire a full broadside. In World of Fictional Warships perhaps. Chikuma is a protected cruiser without any armoured belt, except for a short strip of armour above... the sides the torpedo rooms housing three fixed torpedo tubes... From Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War by E. Lacroix and L. Wells II, pg.10. Let's not say anything about "Senjo", but "enjoy your OP Des Moines, why don't you give us A-150 too? You could make more fictional ships for the other lines, no?". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
174 Fog_Cruiser_Tone Members 813 posts Report post #13 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) In World of Fictional Warships perhaps. Chikuma is a protected cruiser without any armoured belt, except for a short strip of armour above... the sides the torpedo rooms housing three fixed torpedo tubes... Let's not say anything about Senjo, but "enjoy your OP Des Moines, why don't you give us A-150 too? You could make more fictional ships for the other lines, no?". Arguably the silliest thing about the whole tree (outside an armored cruiser with no armor), is Myoko being ranked above Mogami. Yes, the Mogamis started as light cruisers, but the Japanese never honestly planned to retain them in that format -- the intent was always to cheat the treaty and convert them into heavy cruisers. And yes, they had structural issues once the upgrade was made, but these can't really be accurately reflected in WoWs. On paper, despite the slight size advantage for the Myokos, the Mogamis were the superior combatants, with better AA. Honestly, the natural progression in people's minds is "newer is better" (even if that's not always correct, it is how most people think), and given that the Mogamis were two classes later than the Myoko's, and given that the differences in them probably favor the Mogamis once that gun upgrade is made, I think it's kind of lamentable that their positions in the tree are reversed. *Edit* And my position on this is vindicated by one simple fact: the Ibukis were Mogami repeats and are ranked in tier 9, when the only appreciable difference between Ibuki and Mogami very slight variations in armor (0.1 inch on the magazine) and AA (not superior, just a different arrangement). Edited February 18, 2015 by Fog_Cruiser_Tone 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,548 [EPOXY] Tedster_ Wiki Editor, Members, Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters, Beta Testers 5,899 posts 13,624 battles Report post #14 Posted February 18, 2015 Something something NDA Something Something (semi-old) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
174 Fog_Cruiser_Tone Members 813 posts Report post #15 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Something something NDA Something Something (semi-old) Well, we knew that the Takaos' model was in the game. Truth be told, I never had any fears that such an iconic ship would make it in -- they're just too iconic. I am desperately worried about the Tones, though. We had such a lovely aircraft suite (they were all scout planes, mind you -- I am not an aircraft cruiser), but I think WGing may be having a difficult time accounting for that in terms of gameplay mechanics (just a guess -- I am not privy to any insider information). Edited February 18, 2015 by Fog_Cruiser_Tone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,548 [EPOXY] Tedster_ Wiki Editor, Members, Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters, Beta Testers 5,899 posts 13,624 battles Report post #16 Posted February 18, 2015 Tone is planned for Tier 9. it will come, eventually, according to the ships thread (in both standard and hybrid configurations). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,705 redblurr Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 4,719 posts Report post #17 Posted February 18, 2015 Well, we knew that the Takaos' model was in the game. Truth be told, I never had any fears that such an iconic ship would make it in -- they're just too iconic. I am desperately worried about the Tones, though. We had such a lovely aircraft suite (they were all scout planes, mind you -- I am not an aircraft cruiser), but I think WGing may be having a difficult time accounting for that in terms of gameplay mechanics (just a guess -- I am not privy to any insider information). nda, nda, nda My best advice is not to worry about it much. A lot of things will happen between BW2 and CBT, and then between CBT and release. just look at the changes between BW1 and BW2. Release is what I care about, as that is when money will start to be a factor. Until then, why worry, be happy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,921 mr3awsome Alpha Tester, Alpha Tester 11,461 posts 1,963 battles Report post #18 Posted February 18, 2015 Oh my GOD WHEREIS TONE?!?! *Head explode* It has been mentioned that there is a chance of a dedicated aviation cruiser line. What we currently know about it: Nisshin (4) -> Oyodo (5) -> Aoba conversion (6) -> Blank (7) -> Mogami conversion (8) -> Tone (9)-> Tone Kai (10) All of this is available in the "What we know about ships" thread that is pinned at the top of General Discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,361 RedBear87 Alpha Tester 7,898 posts 27 battles Report post #19 Posted February 18, 2015 I am desperately worried about the Tones, though. We had such a lovely aircraft suite (they were all scout planes, mind you -- I am not an aircraft cruiser), but I think WGing may be having a difficult time accounting for that in terms of gameplay mechanics (just a guess -- I am not privy to any insider information). Tone is apparently considered a "hybrid" ship, anything smaller than a battleship carrying more than three seaplanes seems to be a "hybrid"... "hybrids" will not be present at release according to the controversial Taiwanese Q&A which pushed Britain back to 2016. Hence, probably no Tone at release. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
174 Fog_Cruiser_Tone Members 813 posts Report post #20 Posted February 18, 2015 Tone is apparently considered a "hybrid" ship, anything smaller than a battleship carrying more than three seaplanes seems to be a "hybrid"... "hybrids" will not be present at release according to the controversial Taiwanese Q&A which pushed Britain back to 2016. Hence, probably no Tone at release. That's a shame, because as anyone who studies Japanese warships knows, the Tones' aircraft were not designed for combat -- they were scouts (float planes made for rotten combatants) because the Japanese CVs didn't carry them for the IJN. Thus, any portrayal of the Tones launching torpedo or bombing strikes would be outrageously inaccurate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,361 RedBear87 Alpha Tester 7,898 posts 27 battles Report post #21 Posted February 18, 2015 That's a shame, because as anyone who studies Japanese warships knows, the Tones' aircraft were not designed for combat -- they were scouts (float planes made for rotten combatants) because the Japanese CVs didn't carry them for the IJN. Thus, any portrayal of the Tones launching torpedo or bombing strikes would be outrageously inaccurate. If that were the only inaccurate thing I could even live with it... *Edit* And my position on this is vindicated by one simple fact: the Ibukis were Mogami repeats and are ranked in tier 9, when the only appreciable difference between Ibuki and Mogami very slight variations in armor (0.1 inch on the magazine) and AA (not superior, just a different arrangement). There's probably a reason for that, actually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
174 Fog_Cruiser_Tone Members 813 posts Report post #22 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) The problem, Red, is that what happens to the Tones to balance the fact that they are carrying as strong of a gun armament as any other heavy cruiser, and now presumably armed with a flight of aircraft AND their own ship-launched torpedoes? That sounds insanely overpowered... which would mean, I presume, some kind of nerf -- likely at the expense of an accurate attribute. Edited February 18, 2015 by Fog_Cruiser_Tone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
25 [275] Shigure Beta Testers 132 posts 9,991 battles Report post #23 Posted February 18, 2015 For a starting cruiser branch this isn't bad. It's fairly logical and contains a nice assortment of options and play styles. It's not all it could be people but it's still pretty damn good imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
174 Fog_Cruiser_Tone Members 813 posts Report post #24 Posted February 18, 2015 For a starting cruiser branch this isn't bad. It's fairly logical and contains a nice assortment of options and play styles. It's not all it could be people but it's still pretty damn good imo. I'm not 100% convinced that the t10 vessel is an equal to Des Moines. I agree with you that this is fine for bare-bones... but ultimately I'd like to see the tree split into light and heavy cruisers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
25 [275] Shigure Beta Testers 132 posts 9,991 battles Report post #25 Posted February 18, 2015 I'm not 100% convinced that the t10 vessel is an equal to Des Moines. I agree with you that this is fine for bare-bones... but ultimately I'd like to see the tree split into light and heavy cruisers. As would I my friend...as would I. And I'm sure that at some point this will happen. Till then we'll manage. Frankly i'm more frustrated at the placement of the Japanese destroyers but even that makes sense to some degree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
