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How do you plan to handle the new DD additions to the IJN tech tree?

Which of the two new DDs are you looking forward to?  

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  1. 1. Which of the two new ships do you think will be the most fun to conn?

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   With the upcoming addition to the tech tree of the T9 Kitakaze and the T10 Harugumo, I'd like to poll and troll for a bit and ask the forumites what they plan to do to exploit how these ships might affect the meta and balance of T8-10 battles....?

 

 

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19 minutes ago, commodore_torakula said:

   With the upcoming addition to the tech tree of the T9 Kitakaze and the T10 Harugumo, I'd like to poll and troll for a bit and ask the forumites what they plan to do to exploit how these ships might affect the meta and balance of T8-10 battles....?

 

 

Akizuki is a great ship, I've actually been looking forward to the new ships coming out Kitakaze will be a lot better than Aki I think, Harugomo I'm not sure on as much as I'm not a tester so I'm not able to play these ships.  But they look like they will be quite a bit of fun.  You need an option of BOTH in your pole so I wont vote until that is added in.

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Everything depends on whether the HE pen buff will end up on the live server.

You will have the penetration of a CL with IFHE on a DD platform with smoke and sick DPM. If it goes through I believe it will negatively affect the game personally.

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52 minutes ago, torpsRus said:

Akizuki is a great ship, I've actually been looking forward to the new ships coming out Kitakaze will be a lot better than Aki I think, Harugomo I'm not sure on as much as I'm not a tester so I'm not able to play these ships.  But they look like they will be quite a bit of fun.  You need an option of BOTH in your pole so I wont vote until that is added in.

I concur that the Akizuki is an excellent gunboat.  I prefer the Kagero in a big way on account of my track record with her.  The tags I put up for the Shimakaze and the Yugumo and the "new ships" thing is just to broaden the discussion I feel.

I don't need a BOTH option in my poll on account of I'm asking whether or not one of the two ships will be the most fun to conn....perhaps my wording of the poll question is incorrect in that I should have asked "Which of these two ships will be better than the other?"

In other words, I'm polling you on your opinion of these two potential pixel ships as potential dream machines, if you will; I'm not asking you to decide how they might do in a given meta or the current T8-10 environment of randoms, etc.  Neither am I trying to say how they might do in a given player's hands with respect to MM's execution.

Also: I'm not making any distinctions about how they might impact co-op play in any way or asking you to predict how well any given player might do with the ship under his/her control.

That said, thank you for your take on the matter.

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I like the concept of both of them, and they do not need to nerf Akizuki at tier 8 to make Kitakaze at tier IX look better.  the 2 extra torp tubes, gaining some mid range AA, a few more knots of speed, and of course and most significant, an additional upgrade slot gives her more then sufficient power to go toe to toe with tier X's (which Akizuki does all the time anyway!). There's no DD I'm afraid to get in a gun duel with in the Aki now, and I don't run IFHE!.  Kitakaze with be same same only more so.  Harugumo how ever has me concerned.  He 35.5 knots top speed isn't great but it is usable however that Battleship sized radius how ever is NOT a happy fun time, And I believe it's going to leave the ship far far to vulnerable.  We'll see what the devs do.

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I want to have the harugumo,  definitely with yamamoto,  cuz of the dakka effect..... Hopefully without needing ifhe.... 

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7 minutes ago, Submarine_M1 said:

I want to have the harugumo,  definitely with yamamoto,  cuz of the dakka effect..... Hopefully without needing ifhe.... 

The dakka effect being?....

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1 minute ago, commodore_torakula said:

....As am I....thanks for the hyperlink.

Np... It goes bout 1.3 sec reload at the effective minimal hp.... Assuming that you have a krackin 

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15 hours ago, Submarine_M1 said:

Np... It goes bout 1.3 sec reload at the effective minimal hp.... Assuming that you have a krackin 

What's a krackin?....Surely we're not talking about the Kraken Unleashed!?

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4 hours ago, commodore_torakula said:

What's a krackin?....Surely we're not talking about the Kraken Unleashed!?

we are...i misspelled the word, dang it -_-

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The question asked is which will be the move FUN so for me the answer is the Kitakaze.   Aki fighting in T10 matches regularly are always a blast even when painfully short due to me making a mistake.   The Kit will be more of the same with added benefits of the extra upgrade slot and the timing of the torp reload + reload booster cool downs.

All that being said I'm looking forward to conning the Harugumo more.   Its going to be challenging (which I like) more than 'FUN' with its lack of speed and the massive turning circle.    I feel its going to take a lot more preplanning of attacks and a heightened situational awareness to be effective in this ship. 

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2 hours ago, ReddWolfz said:

The question asked is which will be the move FUN so for me the answer is the Kitakaze.   Aki fighting in T10 matches regularly are always a blast even when painfully short due to me making a mistake.   The Kit will be more of the same with added benefits of the extra upgrade slot and the timing of the torp reload + reload booster cool downs.

All that being said I'm looking forward to conning the Harugumo more.   Its going to be challenging (which I like) more than 'FUN' with its lack of speed and the massive turning circle.    I feel its going to take a lot more preplanning of attacks and a heightened situational awareness to be effective in this ship. 

...."the move fun [sic]" you wrote.

....So your pick for the most potentially fun ship is the Kitakaze.

....Nevertheless, you expect the Harugumo to be even better once you've gotten used to how to exploit her advantages to the utmost.

....Thanks.

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On 7/15/2018 at 3:30 PM, torpsRus said:

Akizuki is a great ship,

This may not be the case going forward. WG MIGHT be nerfing the Akizuki to make the follow-on ship seem better. Probably still won't be a bad ship, but might not qualify as great.

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I was here playing when they nerfed the IJN dds the first go around.  We had a smoke counter of around 2 minutes and 30 seconds I think it was. 10 or 12 KM torps on Minekaze at tier 5.  Nerfs happen.  I don't worry about them lol.

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52 minutes ago, torpsRus said:

I was here playing when they nerfed the IJN dds the first go around.  We had a smoke counter of around 2 minutes and 30 seconds I think it was. 10 or 12 KM torps on Minekaze at tier 5.  Nerfs happen.  I don't worry about them lol.

Well put....the Minekaze/Isokaze were my go to ships way back when I was derping around ignoring the forums back in the day....A Minekaze like that now would probably just kill everyone on both teams with an attitude like mine....Incidentally, I think pinkness in this game is about as hysterical a color as we get....

....My personal record for the most pinks in one fight on my side is 3.  But I'd like to see 4 someday, as long as one of them isn't me.

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3 minutes ago, commodore_torakula said:

My personal record for the most pinks

That probably isn't something you should probably brag about.

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1 minute ago, torpsRus said:

That probably isn't something you should probably brag about.

I'm saying the most pinks I've seen on my side in any given game is 3 not including myself.

I'm not saying anything else.

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Depends on the ballistics. If the stupid long range is useable, expect to see DD’s sitting in smoke at 12k+ streaming fire rainbows.

This is part of WG’s master plan to justify a radar range increase to 25k :Smile_sceptic:

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The Aki did not click with me in any way, shape or form.

Slow, unmaneuverable, unstealthy DDs are just not my bag - nor is that primary tactic of firing from smoke, while relying on someone to spot for you.  These are boats that will work far better in a division with a stealthier DD - soloists are going to have a hard time, is my guess.

I don't believe I'll be looking to go up that line anytime in the near future - but I am looking forward to meeting them in the 52 and Groz - there are few players good enough to make the IJN gunboat line effective against these boats.  Add to that their poor stealth, which makes them challenging boats to cap in - and one wonders what the point of them is, in their current configuration.  Not good at playing the objectives and not able to compete with true "run and gunners" like Khab. 

Just like the Aki - their only defense against those far superior guns will be smoke - and that poor general vessel handling is going to make getting out of the way of the ensuing torp wall - very difficult indeed.

I've been wrong plenty of times before - but I think many soloist DD enthusiasts are going to be somewhat disappointed in their general random performance.

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ok, it's 7.7 path and the 100mm guns on Kai (and Kita, and Haru) are getting the he pen changed from 1/6 pen to 1/4 pen so yaaaaay!  I won't need to pack IFHE any more.  (still useful, just no longer essential!)

On the other hand we're apparently not getting the ships this patch.. I'll bet it's because of clan war whine (Oh it'll unbalance the competitio.. hell with you whiny bums.. the competion isn't balanced now! It excludes more the 85% of the player base, and until it changes to hell with it.)

 

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1 hour ago, TL_Warlord_Roff said:

ok, it's 7.7 path and the 100mm guns on Kai (and Kita, and Haru) are getting the he pen changed from 1/6 pen to 1/4 pen so yaaaaay!  I won't need to pack IFHE any more.  (still useful, just no longer essential!)

On the other hand we're apparently not getting the ships this patch.. I'll bet it's because of clan war whine (Oh it'll unbalance the competitio.. hell with you whiny bums.. the competion isn't balanced now! It excludes more the 85% of the player base, and until it changes to hell with it.)

 

I kinda think any delays are more likely due to the boats needing a little more work to make them competitive?

I've not played a single CW battle - so can't speak to their relative strengths in that mode - but I don't see these two boats as having any "unbalancing" qualities, at all - at least in random matches.

Quite the opposite, in fact - but thats just my perception, not having played a match in either of them.

Between the prevalence of radar - and the relative strengths of many other DDs in their tier spread - it sure seems to me that in the average player's hands, these boats are going to just be some free damage - but again, thats just my perception.

 

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In the hands of a good DD player that understands how  the new IJN boats are different and what they're strengths are I expect them to be fairly terrifying at first.   They'll be a LOT of potato play in these ships as the amount of player skill and knowledge needed to consistently get the most out of them will not be trivial.    For most player, they'll stink.. for specialist that understand, they're gonna be an unholy terror out there.

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