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A Gentle Shift

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I've noticed lately, as a BB main, that my BB play numbers have gone downhill, and my CA/DD play has gone up, even though lately there's been a prevalence of strong counters to both. 

I've mained battleships since first wave CBT, besides a few moments here and there where I set my beloved battlewagons aside to grind a different line, etc. I'm beginning to think this is a tectonic shift in what I want to play more lately. I want speed, I want rate of fire. I've been playing my Moskva and Kronshtadt more, and I've been gleaning a lot of enjoyment out of destroyers like the Z-46,39, Haida, Tashkent, etc. and I find myself getting excited for Alaska (even though I'll continue to mock people who wanted to classify Kron as a BB even though they are adamant on Alaska being a CA.)

Now, I've never considered myself a BaBBy, I just preferred battleships and enjoyed doing well in them, but lately, and I don't know if its just that I've been having bad games in my BBs and better games in my other ships, but I'm proud of my little Soviet emblem down there and I don't find myself yearning to play battleships much anymore. Anyone else getting the same feelings lately? I just wanted to observe. 

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I have always heard that BBs are relatively easy to play so people naturally gravitate toward them (and don't leave).  Besides,  battleships are, you know, battleships.  I have always been a cruiser player myself and the few times I have played BBs, I find the slow pace a little off-putting.  Interestingly, I have the Kronshtadt and am trying to warm up to it, but it just doesn't feel like a cruiser.  

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3 minutes ago, PrairiePlayer said:

I have always heard that BBs are relatively easy to play so people naturally gravitate toward them (and don't leave).  Besides,  battleships are, you know, battleships.  I have always been a cruiser player myself and the few times I have played BBs, I find the slow pace a little off-putting. 

Originally, I didn't mind the slow pace, I understood that I was carrying an awful lot of firepower to whatever flank I chose and that was that. I think my biggest problem playing BBs now is that I'm constantly focused by the entire enemy team when I chose a flank, and I'm not usually the main guy in front, either. I think my desire to quickly disengage via stealth and area denial is trumping the desire to bring firepower into a fight. 

11 minutes ago, PrairiePlayer said:

Interestingly, I have the Kronshtadt and am trying to warm up to it, but it just doesn't feel like a cruiser.  

It doesn't, but it comes with the things I like most. High velocity guns, decent speed, radar and good armor. It feels closer to the Graf Spee than it does a Battleship or a cruiser. But I really, REALLY like it. It's the reason I earned my Soviet Emblem :D

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all those recent changes in game with cruisers and radar etc HE meta is intended

wargaming said bb were too popular and they wanted to change that

so id say it seems to be working has intended

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Playing a Battleship requires a lot of patience  

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Bad time of year to really tell what is truly happening since Summer Vacation is like 24/7 weekend. Weekends are where you see tons of changes including a ton of CVs in attempts to get an edge over bad teams. For example over night the DDs will be 4-6 on each team, then when morning arrives people grab their CAs to hunt the DDs, so the DD numbers then dive back down and you have ton of CAs, then the BBs come  hunt the CAs, then the cycle spins out of control and the CVs get thrown heavily into the mix for the rest of the day. That seems to be how things go right now.

Some of the really slow dreadnaughts BBs do have trouble if you get stretches of a lot of bad teams since if they get islotated because their escorts got themselves killed or ran off. You can get yourself under attack from the air and by DDs and CAs. Not to meantion if your team is oblivious to bases then you have to try to run around and fix those problems. Once School is back in session we may see things go back to being BB heavy once the team quality rises back up to the levels it reaches during the school year. Those Dreadnaughts BBs may be slow but they can Tank with that heavy armor and carry massive guns.

Other factor right now is Clan Wars, only 1 BB is allowed per team, so DDs and CAs full up the rest of the team. That means if you want a variety of ships to choose from to use in CW then you need to grind your DD and CA lines. 

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Being patient, but also having the willingness to walk (float) the edge of the knife.

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18 minutes ago, iamplaya said:

all those recent changes in game with cruisers and radar etc HE meta is intended

wargaming said bb were too popular and they wanted to change that

so id say it seems to be working has intended

I don't see the radar meta hurting Battleships though, only aggressive plays. The cruiser-heavy thing has affected my battleship play, but that is typically temporary with the new line releases and this has been a long while in the making, personally. I won't disagree with your points that WG has intentionally or inadvertently added another nail in the coffin though. 

 

6 minutes ago, KURT_WOLFF said:

Playing a Battleship requires a lot of patience  

 

5 minutes ago, delp5117 said:

Being patient, but also having the willingness to walk (float) the edge of the knife.

and typically, I'm quite patient. I like havign my coffee with a couple citadels and high damage rolls but lately its been unbearable and even with patient plays, I'm getting little in return for it. I guess there's been a goodly shift in the meta where DDs and CAs are stronger in playing objectives and securing wins and I've been feeling that breeze blow more over the last few weeks. 

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1 hour ago, Sledgehammer427 said:

I don't see the radar meta hurting Battleships though, only aggressive plays. The cruiser-heavy thing has affected my battleship play, but that is typically temporary with the new line releases and this has been a long while in the making, personally. I won't disagree with your points that WG has intentionally or inadvertently added another nail in the coffin though. 

 

 

and typically, I'm quite patient. I like havign my coffee with a couple citadels and high damage rolls but lately its been unbearable and even with patient plays, I'm getting little in return for it. I guess there's been a goodly shift in the meta where DDs and CAs are stronger in playing objectives and securing wins and I've been feeling that breeze blow more over the last few weeks. 

yea id say the HE spam from cruisers was more aim at bb...and radar at dd

...none the less seems to br working when i started playing this game a couple months ago i would see 6bb on each side often

 

now the MM is much better all they need now is to bring back the CV

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At tier X I would agree that cruisers more than hold their own vs. BBs and are extremely potent and IMO more fun to play. Out of position BBs at that tier get spotted and focused down quickly by half the enemy team.

Mid-tiers though? BBs are still the bully.

Smart DD play is invaluable at every tier.

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22 minutes ago, iamplaya said:

yea id say the HE spam from cruisers was more aim at bb...and radar at dd

...none the less seems to br working when i started playing this game a couple months ago i would see 6bb on each side often

 

now the MM is much better all they need now is to bring back the CV

The CV can come back, but there needs to be significant changes, IMO. A well-played CV can tear your team apart and a poorly played one just can't accomplish anything except accelerating his teams loss. I've had more fun games without CVs that I have with CVs, and on both sides of the "played well" coin. I hope the rework makes them easier to play and shortens the skill gap so you're not stuck between getting murdered and having a wasted slot on your team

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