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Haida vs Gadja vs Sims

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I thought this would be an interesting comparison, as Sims is the other cap-contester-gunboat-with-bad-torps and Gadja is the "other British" T7.

 

Stealth: 5.7km Haida. Finally a T7 that can compete when uptiered.  It has same stealth as IJN DDs which it can mercilessly hunt.  6.1 Gadja is decent at tier, 3rd best T7 behind Shiratsuyu?  Sims at 6.6 is barely competitive (think Mahan) and easily outspotted by Haida. It's hard to overstate how useful stealth is.

 

HP:  Haida 18150, Gadja 16750, Simms 16250. Haida has a nice extra chunk of HP, useful for a cap contesting DD.

 

Torpedoes: Gadja wins handily – there’s a reason it’s the top-damage dealing/winningest DD at T7.

Unlike the others, it can nuke a BB dead.  Downside is it’s DWTs cannot torp DDs in smoke.

  Haida is next; yes, Sims has more, but Haida’s better conceal allows for more accurate close range attacks, and mediocore speed and weak weak damage of Sims (8k base reduces to ~5k after torpedo mitigation) vs base 16k of Haida's 62 knotters which can be single fired for great effect.

Speed/Agility: Sims is outstanding - the most agile DD in the game, and with flags at 40.4kts is the fastest of the trio. It beats Gadja’s 37.8kts and Haida at 38.3, both with merely “OK” handling.

Smoke: Gadja’s PA smoke is nerfed but still potent. Sims also has good smoke. Haida’s creeping smoke seems situational – could possibly be leveraged by a player who know their stuff.

Guns: All have  rainbow arcs meaning accuracy is pretty meh over 8-9km.

  Haida has best alpha (only slightly less than 7-gun Blyskawica) and best HE dpm ~136k. The turrets don't seem great like the Gadja though.

Gadja 122k dpm but with 8% fire chance, best firestarter and has outstanding gun arcs; best allrounder. Despite having the same guns as Haida they are somehow magically different with 200 less damage and more fire.

   Sims is the worst. 2nd best dpm 130k, but Haida better burst damage. Both Haida and Sims are equally poor 5% firestarters.

Gimmicks: No standout, but Sims has DFAA; somewhat helpful at a tier where Saipans and Kagas are a thing. The hydro of Haida is probably the winner as it can be used in more situations but its short range means it’s not a key feature, like on the Lo Yang.

 

Thoughts:

#1. Gadja is probably (along with Leningrad) best all-rounder DD at T7 (as born out by win rate and average damage). It has eminently usable stealth (6.1km) great gun arcs and good fire starting. It’s 8km DWT allow it to do serious damage to the big boys. 

#2. Haida is tough and hits harder (good alpha/burst damage). It’s 5.7 conceal cannot be overstated. As a cap contester, it completely powercreeps the poor Sims, with better alpha/burst dps, and 2000 more HP; compounded by its vastly superior conceal that allows it to dictate the fight and get in the first volley. Powercreep, baby!  It’s not a better destroyer than the Gadja, though, due its inability to deal damage against the big boys.

#3. Sims… …is great fun to drive, but struggles with it’s 6.6km conceal and slow, meaningless torpedoes. As an allrounder the Gadja is vastly better and as a cap contester the Haida has easily usurped it at T7.  Maybe a bit of love, such as reducing concealment to say 6.3 or better? Or giving a choice of Lo Yang 6.4km torpedoes?

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Just played my first game in the Haida and I got Devastating Strike and First Blood by torping a Mahan that was trying to sneak out from behind an island.

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My poor Sims.  She was never loved by our server, but she has a special place in my port.  Now, to buy Haida and see how she does once the servers stabilize.  

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Let’s not forget the Leningrad... Love that speedy bullet with good guns & torps. 

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Haid guns dont do any damage, even on other DDs, it depends almost exclusively on torps as a jap DD.

Gadja guns should be similar but are far more effective.

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Sounds like it's time for a buff to Sims; a bit lower detection maybe (6.0det.) to make it in-line with newer ships would be helpful and/or a little help with the guns (only 4 guns).  Time for a power creep correction in a small but useful way.

 

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53 minutes ago, sasquatch_research said:

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Sounds like it's time for a buff to Sims; a bit lower detection maybe (6.0det.) to make it in-line with newer ships would be helpful and/or a little help with the guns (only 4 guns).  Time for a power creep correction in a small but useful way.

 

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I love me some buffs, bring it.  Sims needs something, let's do it!

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Sims needs buffing. Has needed buffing for a while now.

Haida and Gadjah are comparable-ish. Haida wins easily in DD duals, and it has this funky ability to push towards a BB while in smoke to close the range, but Gadjah's 10 torps are absolutely murderous against capital ships.

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