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Anyone care to attempt to justify cruisers ridiculous firepower.  Easily the most un-balanced thing in any game I have ever seen. 

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7 minutes ago, PFCWilliams said:

Anyone care to attempt to justify cruisers ridiculous firepower.  Easily the most un-balanced thing in any game I have ever seen. 

You being so new to the game and not even 500 battles on your belt.  Cruisers firepower is actually fine the way it is.  You probably havent even got past tier 6 yet.  Complaining here on the forums doesnt generally go over that well so you are aware.  Not tryin to be a jerk but thats how it usually is.  Some cruisers you might think they are OP but in general they are pretty weak and have a  slim survivability so it actually balances out.

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5 minutes ago, PFCWilliams said:

Anyone care to attempt to justify cruisers ridiculous firepower.  Easily the most un-balanced thing in any game I have ever seen. 

Most cruisers lack Alpha, but have high DPM. They also generally (aside from a few examples) can only bounce large caliber AP at extreme angles. Unlike destroyers, cuisers have citadels, making it easy for just about anything to blast them to oblivion should they show broadside. Unlike battleships, cruisers generally have poor torpedo defense, and this leads to them taking higher damage from torpedos and flooding more often. 

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Justification: 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% of devastating strikes are against cruisers.

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Literally the only thing is IFHE and fires, or more accurately that fire damage was at a set percent based around the fact back in the day, most HE shells just shattered so the only way they did damage was fires. But, then they added IFHE, which, given the accuracy and now ability to pen, has them shaving several thousand HP off ships. But, originally, no ships received any changes, and now only DD's and CA/L have, BB and CV's still have the same fire damage against them. It needs to be lowered, that's all. 

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12 minutes ago, WanderingGhost said:

Literally the only thing is IFHE and fires, or more accurately that fire damage was at a set percent based around the fact back in the day, most HE shells just shattered so the only way they did damage was fires. But, then they added IFHE, which, given the accuracy and now ability to pen, has them shaving several thousand HP off ships. But, originally, no ships received any changes, and now only DD's and CA/L have, BB and CV's still have the same fire damage against them. It needs to be lowered, that's all. 

I've averaged anywhere from 55K all the way to 130K in damage alone just using IFHE and HE  That was just in the Cleveland.

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39 minutes ago, cometguy said:

Justification: 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% of devastating strikes are against cruisers.

Your math must be off since 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of first bloods are devastating strikes against destroyers.

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53 minutes ago, Kingfishercritic said:

Most cruisers lack Alpha, but have high DPM. They also generally (aside from a few examples) can only bounce large caliber AP at extreme angles. Unlike destroyers, cuisers have citadels, making it easy for just about anything to blast them to oblivion should they show broadside. Unlike battleships, cruisers generally have poor torpedo defense, and this leads to them taking higher damage from torpedos and flooding more often. 

Broadside? Many cruisers eat cits from weird angles :D

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1 minute ago, WES_HoundDog said:

Your math must be off since 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of first bloods are devastating strikes against destroyers.

At low tiers maybe, since everyone seems to be incapable of understanding how torpedoes work.

Anyhow, cruisers are very fragile. Especially the higher tier you go, when battleships get stronger guns that are more accurate. While cruisers have exceptionally high DPM, they have lower alpha strikes and are more prone to critical damage without being able to heal much of it back.

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1 minute ago, Cruiser_StLouis said:

At low tiers maybe, since everyone seems to be incapable of understanding how torpedoes work.

Anyhow, cruisers are very fragile. Especially the higher tier you go, when battleships get stronger guns that are more accurate. While cruisers have exceptionally high DPM, they have lower alpha strikes and are more prone to critical damage without being able to heal much of it back.

Cruisers feed on destroyers, Destroyers feed on BB's BB';s should feed on cruisers.  This overpen crap has got to go.

p.s.  CV's feed on everyone and have got to go as well.

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6 minutes ago, sansfaille said:

Broadside? Many cruisers eat cits from weird angles :D

True, but broadside is best (or worst really) for citadels for cruisers.

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Depends on the PLAYER and the cruiser...IMO. There are suck azz BBs also. They get murdered in the tiers below 7 all the time by cruisers....or am I playing a different game than u all? 

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4 minutes ago, WES_HoundDog said:

Cruisers feed on destroyers, Destroyers feed on BB's BB';s should feed on cruisers.  This overpen crap has got to go.

p.s.  CV's feed on everyone and have got to go as well.

CVs do not have to go haha.

And there's no "feed" tree in World of Warships. A destroyer, cruiser, battleship, and carrier can "feed" on anything they please, it really depends on the type of ship and what that ship's good at.

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DPM baby! All bout dat D. P. M...

 

2 minutes ago, dmckay said:

Depends on the PLAYER and the cruiser...IMO. There are suck azz BBs also. They get murdered in the tiers below 7 all the time by cruisers....or am I playing a different game than u all? 

BB's at lower tiers are generally dreadnought era. They're slow, Don't turn very quickly, have slow turrets and not very accurate. Also large superstructures that soak up a lot of damage... At Tier 7 BB's start to get far more dominate. KGV, Nelson, Guis, Scharny etc...(Freaking 16 gun lyon) Although New Mexico is quite strong or it was back when I played it...

 

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Their ridiculous firepower is offset by the fact that they are made of glass and explode.

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58 minutes ago, cometguy said:

Justification: 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% of devastating strikes are against cruisers.

well, gun dev strikes. Torps can least own a good few on DDs namely 

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How about you play cruiser instead of saying stupids thing that show how clueless you are ?

 

 

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To be fair, a Pensacola can chunk a tier 5 or 6 battleship for pretty large portions of their health. Even citadel them. I've citadel'd New Mexicos and Colorados with a Pensacola. It's not the enormous deal that GETTING citadel'd is, but it's not uncommon to swat a BB for 8-10k salvos with some of the mid-tier heavy cruisers. Especially against the game's all-or-nothing boats because all-or-nothing schemes are a weakness not a strength. 

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6 hours ago, torpsRus said:

I've averaged anywhere from 55K all the way to 130K in damage alone just using IFHE and HE  That was just in the Cleveland.

lol I don't think you know what an average is :Smile-_tongue:

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You're doing something wrong. Cruisers are food. BBs are the easiest ships to play in the game. Post a replay and I'll help you out.

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8 hours ago, torpsRus said:

 you might think they are OP but in general they are pretty weak and have a  slim survivability so it actually balances out.

I dont wanna know what you would say about DD then!

 

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8 hours ago, PFCWilliams said:

Anyone care to attempt to justify cruisers ridiculous firepower.  Easily the most un-balanced thing in any game I have ever seen. 

Let's be kind and assume you are ranting from an inexperienced viewpoint.

I am a devoted cruiser driver, with over 3,500 battles in US,N, DKM, and VMF cruisers including Tier 10's in all 3. Try to understand a few things.

In WoWS, cruisers play their historically accurate roles of scouts, anti-destroyer defense, and AA escort. The various nationalities have unique strengths and weaknesses.

Being very fragile, cruisers need to be able to hit hard and fast before the other guy. When you blow your concealment by opening up on a DD, expect torpedoes and gunfire from all directions.  "Shoot and scoot", either into stealth/cover or out of range, is the cruiser mantra.

You have likely not seen it yet, but beginning around Tier VII, cruisers with any sense of survival never directly challenge battleships 1-on-1, unless you're in a something like a Hindy or Zao and can live long enough to get in an opportune torp salvo. You can't play a T8 as you would a St. Louis or Bogatyr. One tiny mistake, one decent salvo from a Montana or Yamato and you're done.  Sometimes you get lucky and catch a BB that can't aim worth squat, but those are the exception.

If you are playing BB's and getting pwned by cruisers, you're doing something wrong. Battleships love to hunt cruisers because we're easier to hit than destroyers and not as scary as other battleships.

Every ship type fills a game meta niche.

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10 hours ago, PFCWilliams said:

Anyone care to attempt to justify cruisers ridiculous firepower.  Easily the most un-balanced thing in any game I have ever seen. 

Your Wyoming, on average, does 50% more damage than your Phoenix.

If cruisers had "ridiculous firepower", that shouldn't be the case now, should it?

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