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Marblehead, decent captain trainer?

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So I've been playing USN cruisers a lot lately. I'm up to the Baltimore and got the Cleveland at T8 during the split.

I'm thinking about picking up the Marblehead as a trainer. She has some history operating alongside the Dutch navy at the beginning of the war so that is a bonus.

I was wondering how well she works as a captain trainer. Or should I use my Texas to at least train my captains once they're ready to move to the next ship?

Looking at the other USN premiums, I find the Atlanta to expensive and gimmicky and not sure about the Indianapolis.

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Marble head is not easy to play she is very squishy.

 

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If you really liked the Omaha, I suppose.  She's got 2km worse gun range, the same number of weapons as the A and B hulls but six 8km torpedoes vs eight 5.5km fish of the Omaha A & B.  You also get 200 additional hit points and essentially no AA with Marblehead.  She's one of the first premium ships available in the game, so there's that, but with the exception of her good-looking model she's otherwise very bland.  And has always been.  Don't expect her to change much.  

She is missing the more defining aspect of the real Marblehead, unfortunately.  There was a single-gun 152mm turret atop the aft superstructure on the steel-and-flesh ship.  Sadly it didn't make it on to this one.

Still, she will return reasonably-better credit earnings and at Tier VI is kind of in a sweet-spot.  She's not exorbitantly expensive to purchase and comes up as a mission reward from time to time.  She'll accept any US Commander with no retraining and will improve their skills.  Her premium camouflage is not horrid to look at and gives you a 10% credit earnings boost and a 50% XP boost... which is useful if you like to convert premium-ship XP with doubloons.  Otherwise, it just sits there.

In all, if you've completed enough of the Indianapolis mission to earn her, I'd suggest you do so and not spend money on Marblehead.  If you haven't though, she'll be a little cheaper to purchase than Indy and they're both decent-enough ships.

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I enjoy playing the Marblehead, but as a very squishy T5 ship it will see T7 opponents capable of doing a lot of damage regardless of your angling. As was said, you might be better off with the Indianapolis unless you enjoy T5 play. I think Marblehead is great for lighting fires on larger ships (though Murmansk has better range and does the same), taking out DDs that get too close, and you can occasionally surprise someone with the torpedoes.

If you do pick up the Marblehead, I hope you enjoy it!

Respects,

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my advice.....
ATLANTA..... good decent trainer...

the MH is just like a watermelon in the hands of Gallagher's SLedgomatic

 

 

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1 hour ago, TypicalEngineer said:

So I've been playing USN cruisers a lot lately. I'm up to the Baltimore and got the Cleveland at T8 during the split.

I'm thinking about picking up the Marblehead as a trainer. She has some history operating alongside the Dutch navy at the beginning of the war so that is a bonus.

I was wondering how well she works as a captain trainer. Or should I use my Texas to at least train my captains once they're ready to move to the next ship?

Looking at the other USN premiums, I find the Atlanta to expensive and gimmicky and not sure about the Indianapolis.

Slightly better Omaha on some aspects, slightly worse in others.

Atlanta is very good for plane kills and main battery hits. She is a beast for those missions you can do in coop.

Otherwise plays like a Cleveland. 

Indy is a better Pepsi. Tankier bow.

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Marblehead has the fastest RoF of her class. Torps are slow and do less damage but I'm always looking for the flooding effect from them with their fast reloads. 

I've had a BB chase me around an island as if spammed fish and be out of sight since they are slow. 

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I used Marblehead to grind my first 19pt captain (for the T6 Cleveland).  Works well for BBQing higher tier BBs, as long as you remember to use hard cover; especially since many don't see you as a threat until they are almost dead.  The uptiering also enhanced the XP earned.  The 8km torps are very useful.  Strangely, I prefer it to the Russian Omaha, even though that has greater range.  The service cost is low enough to make it worthwhile to grind some in PvE.  And, the purchase price is very reasonable.  One downside is that it can't be used for T6+ missions.

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22 minutes ago, hard_calibers said:

Marblehead has the fastest RoF of her class. Torps are slow and do less damage but I'm always looking for the flooding effect from them with their fast reloads. 

I've had a BB chase me around an island as if spammed fish and be out of sight since they are slow. 

Second this; play Marblehead like a destroyer leader; get close and use her guns to support your destroyers by bullying red destroyers, while positioning/manuevering to keep islands between you and the upperclassbotes.

When the lolibotes are gone, pull back and spam fire while shaking your tail.

Like has been said; real squishy, but can do good execution when well driven. Can't spam mb hits like Atlanta, but more likely to get damage from what does hit because of the six-inchers.

2 minutes ago, ExploratorOne said:

I used Marblehead to grind my first 19pt captain (for the T6 Cleveland).  Works well for BBQing higher tier BBs, as long as you remember to use hard cover; especially since many don't see you as a threat until they are almost dead.  The uptiering also enhanced the XP earned.  The 8km torps are very useful.  Strangely, I prefer it to the Russian Omaha, even though that has greater range.  The service cost is low enough to make it worthwhile to grind some in PvE.  And, the purchase price is very reasonable.  One downside is that it can't be used for T6+ missions.

Second this as well.

Russian Omaha; 'Murmansk.' First ship I used RPF on. Actually prefer Marblehead over both that and Omaha; I guess because I've just used it more...

 

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Forgot to mention that Atlanta, Indy and Sims often see Tier 8/9, which places you in a different play meta.  I mention the Sims because the XP boost baked into it makes it tempting to use for grinding, but she can be a challenging DD to play well.  Tier 5-7 is considered more dynamic by many players (i.e. you can semi-yolo, and succeed or survive).  Tier 8+ play involves a more strategic, thoughtful, and measured play in which rash moves get punished by pretty powerful rounds deleting impacting your ship.  (As an Atlanta driver, I felt a bit guilty spending today Atlanta hunting - all they had to do was one little slip...)

Basic "rule" for grinding anything successfully is to pick a ship with a play style you enjoy.  i would  suggest you watch some youtube reviews and replays to get a feel for how the ship would play.  If you can relate to what you see being successful in the replays and the playstyle is similar to what you like to do, go for it.  For example, goto ships that are port queens for me because the correct playstyle is "painful" for me include the Kutuzov, Belfast, Budyonny, and Duca D'Aosta.  My most comfortable ships include Perth, followed by Charles Martel, De Grasse, and Indianapolis (used to include Tier 6 Cleveland).

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Yeah I'm still a bit on the fence about the Marblehead. Mainly because of the reduced range compaired to Omaha. I find Indianapolis or Atlanta to expensive for now, but I might pick them up in a ssle someday.

Should I invest now in Marblehead or just use Texas to retrain my USN cruiser captains?

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6 hours ago, TypicalEngineer said:

Yeah I'm still a bit on the fence about the Marblehead. Mainly because of the reduced range compaired to Omaha. I find Indianapolis or Atlanta to expensive for now, but I might pick them up in a ssle someday.

Should I invest now in Marblehead or just use Texas to retrain my USN cruiser captains?

Murmansk is also on sale, as I look at the premium shop, for a handful of cents less than the Marblehead. If her stats are more your speed, there is that.

If you are in a position to finish the Indianapolis Marathon and win her, then I would suggest waiting until then. 

When you ask about using Texas, am I to assume that this is because you already have her? Consider how the cruiser skills you choose will affect your use of this battleship, though if you want to spec into AA for the cruiser captains then Texas is a particularly lethal AA platform for her tier. How are the captains fitted out right now?

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Well I got the Texas during the steam sale for cheap. I was wondering how she would di to retrain captains. 

Most of my captains are pretty standard for USN:

Cleveland : PT, EM, DE, IFHE

New Orleans : PT, EM, DE, CE

I think these should at least work decent for a battleshio. Plan to ad CE and SI to the cleveland and do a AA build for the New Orleans.

 

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Hell, on EU I use Texas as my DD trainer.  It's simply what I have.

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I got my marblehead off one of the old PAX cards long before it went on sale (hissssssss) and i havent played her much since. Shes a fun ship under the right circumstances but she is extremely squishy. The 8.2 km (weird number) torps can make for a nasty suprise.

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Flat out, Marblehead is a ship that was power crept into death, the final nail was the AFT nerf.

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To answer the original question which I failed to do, no, no it is not a good captain trainer.  T5 is poor for training, and Marblehead is poor at being T5.

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Not at all, considering T5 matchmaking and her overall fragility. If you want a unique and fun USN premium cruiser get an Atlanta. Be warned though, islands are pretty much her lifeline.

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I'm primarly looking for a captain trainer. To bad they don't have a nice T6 premium cruiser for the USN. 

Guess I will stay away from the Marblehead then and hope for future USN premium cruisers

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4 hours ago, TypicalEngineer said:

I'm primarly looking for a captain trainer. To bad they don't have a nice T6 premium cruiser for the USN. 

Guess I will stay away from the Marblehead then and hope for future USN premium cruisers

as soon as you see the Atlanta come on sale, grab it.

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8 hours ago, Shadowrigger1 said:

as soon as you see the Atlanta come on sale, grab it.

Yeah I might do that indeed! Here's to hoping!

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