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Interesting picture I found, German 150mm triple gun turret layout

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Gun turret as used on Koenigsberg / Nurnberg:

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1) Gunner (indirect fire)
2) Gunner (direct fire)
3) Turret officer
4) Periscope
5) Assistant munitions hoist
6) Shell casing ejection system
7) Main munitions hoist

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And now imagine a Hipper class ship with four of these, as was considered at some point.

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7 minutes ago, SireneRacker said:

And now imagine a Hipper class ship with four of these, as was considered at some point.

Can has as premium?

*thinks*

That might actually make a very interesting premium indeed. Do you have a link with information about this not-quite-happened design?

<Edit> NVM, found some information. *runs off to make suggestion thread*

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7 minutes ago, Lert said:

Can has as premium?

*thinks*

That might actually make a very interesting premium indeed. Do you have a link with information about this not-quite-happened design?

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At the moment I can only offer this picture I had saved on my phone, once I get home I can offer an article (in glorious Russian).

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12 minutes ago, SireneRacker said:

And now imagine a Hipper class ship with four of these, as was considered at some point.

While we're on German T8 alternate gun layouts. How about a 4x3 283mm Bismarck with Scharn guns, seeing as the 380mm mounts work on Gneis, should be interchangeable no?

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26 minutes ago, SireneRacker said:

And now imagine a Hipper class ship with four of these, as was considered at some point.

 

This was done a lot in NavyFIELD because it was hilarious and you could get those guns blockshooting. It was also a popular loadout on the M-Project. 

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In theory could you also do the opposite, and stick Hipper class guns on a Koenigsberg/Nurnberg? That'd make for an interesting premium, although its basically a Graf Spee esq ship.

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7 minutes ago, Akeno017 said:

In theory could you also do the opposite, and stick Hipper class guns on a Koenigsberg/Nurnberg? That'd make for an interesting premium, although its basically a Graf Spee esq ship.

Be more difficult to explain away since those ships were built long before the 203mm twin turret was conceived, and AFAIK never considered for those ships. While theoretically they would probably have fitted on the turret rings, not sure the barbettes would've supported the 203mm ammo hoists and supporting structure.

Be interesting to see as thought experiment though. Those German 203s at tier 5? Tasty indeed.

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32 minutes ago, Akeno017 said:

While we're on German T8 alternate gun layouts. How about a 4x3 283mm Bismarck with Scharn guns, seeing as the 380mm mounts work on Gneis, should be interchangeable no?

Theoretically possible, yes, but it would make little to no sense since the Germans tried to get away from the 283mm triple turrets. But the turret rings should be able to hold it.

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7 minutes ago, Lert said:

Be more difficult to explain away since those ships were built long before the 203mm twin turret was conceived, and AFAIK never considered for those ships. While theoretically they would probably have fitted on the turret rings, not sure the barbettes would've supported the 203mm ammo hoists and supporting structure.

Ah right, I always forget that gun turrets have weight. Prinz Eugen (Eugan?) guns have been reliable, it'd be interesting to play.

2 minutes ago, SireneRacker said:

Theoretically possible, yes, but it would make little to no sense since the Germans tried to get away from the 283mm triple turrets. But the turret rings should be able to hold it.

Yeah, this was based purely on a WoWS gameplay perspective tbh. Fully aware it isn't historical but I think a 12 gun Scharnhorst/Tirpitz style hybrid would be quite good for T8.

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Might be fun in game, but IRL, the German 20.3cm/60's are going to have about 2.5 times the recoil of the 15cm/60's, the hull probably wouldn't take it, the 20.3cm mounts are also about twice the weight.

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Translated from somewhere else, tried to make it sound a bit better but might still read like someone drunk said it.

"So, in June 1936, the construction of two more large cruisers similar to the first three, but armed with twelve 150-mm cannons, was approved. This demonstrated "goodwill" in limiting the number of German heavy cruisers. Indeed, in July of the same year, the order was followed both by the ships themselves, and by the turrets and guns to them. A special requirement was to design the barbettes in such a way that they had the same diameter as the twin 203-mm heavy cruiser ones. (Quite similarly, the Japanese did with their "light" cruisers of the "Mogami" class.) Both Hitler and Raeder had absolutely no doubt that at the first opportunity it would be possible to replace triple 150 mm turrets with twin 8-inch turrets. In fact, the case presented itself very soon: already in 1937, even before the laying of the "light" pair - "K" and "L" - they were decided to build immediately as heavy cruisers, although the development of new triple 150 mm turrets continued until 1941."

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On 6/21/2018 at 8:03 AM, Akeno017 said:

Yeah, this was based purely on a WoWS gameplay perspective tbh. Fully aware it isn't historical but I think a 12 gun Scharnhorst/Tirpitz style hybrid would be quite good for T8.

In other words, Germany can has battlecruiser line up to at least Tier 8.

Tier 5: Mackensen

Tier 6: Ersatz Yorck

Tier 7: O-class

Tier 8 (also leading from Scharnhorst): 4x3 Bismarck Variant...

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1 hour ago, Guardian54 said:

In other words, Germany can has battlecruiser line up to at least Tier 8.

Tier 5: Mackensen

Tier 6: Ersatz Yorck

Tier 7: O-class

Tier 8 (also leading from Scharnhorst): 4x3 Bismarck Variant...

Eh, O-class really falls short there. It's a really weird ship to put between Replacement Yorck and Schan-Bismack hybrid.

O-class drops a 38cm turret, although the guns are better. You then jump up in volume from 6 to 12 guns, and they drop in caliber to 283mm... which is a really weird change, a radical shift in the way the ships work. You also jump from 27 knots to 35 knots and then drop back to 30 knots. Plus, there's the armor. You got from a 300mm belt to 190mm to 320mm. Displacement also drops from 38000 tons full load to 36000 tons, and then rise to well over 49400 tons for Bismarck...

 

The line just doesn't work with the O-class there.

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4 minutes ago, Phoenix_jz said:

Eh, O-class really falls short there. It's a really weird ship to put between Replacement Yorck and Schan-Bismack hybrid.

O-class drops a 38cm turret, although the guns are better. You then jump up in volume from 6 to 12 guns, and they drop in caliber to 283mm... which is a really weird change, a radical shift in the way the ships work. You also jump from 27 knots to 35 knots and then drop back to 30 knots. Plus, there's the armor. You got from a 300mm belt to 190mm to 320mm. Displacement also drops from 38000 tons full load to 36000 tons, and then rise to well over 49400 tons for Bismarck...

 

The line just doesn't work with the O-class there.

It's a supercruiser when the Scharnhorst is a fast battleship. If Gneis wans't in the game I'd have RL Scharnhorst in the Tier 7 instead.

You could always use 3x3 11-inch on the O-class, would basically be an Alaska then.

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