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why does t6 get EFFED by mm?

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If you think that's bad, at tier 8, all you'll see is tier 10s...

I personally don't mind: Damage ships of a higher tier than your own, equates to more experience and credits.

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Although, I understand it is all a matter of perspective, tier 6 is not near as bad as tier 5 or tier 8 as far as up-tiering is concerned, especially tier 8.

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Maybe I have been "lucky" lately in tier 5, as lately I have seen a steady diet of tier 4-5 MM. With the cruiser/CV missions there are always 4 cv's in the match and most of the games are stomps one way or the other.

I have complained long and loud in the past for a +1/-1 MM, but with all of these rollovers I am missing the tier 7 matches where people sort of know what they are doing and the matches are a little more competitive on average.

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They "fixed" MM so it will be kinder to T5 recently, as MM hated T5!

So....T6 is now the new B*tch.

Edited by Minah_Bang

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Because T6 has a potential to enter into

  • T5-6
  • T5-7
  • T6-8

And then T7/8 seems to be a rather popular tier to play in.

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1 hour ago, Minah_Bang said:

They "fixed" MM so it will be kinder to T5 recently, as MM hated T5!

So....T6 is now the new B*tch.

Keep in mind that missions have now begun require tier 6 ships. As this keeps creeping ever higher maybe mm will be better for each tier excluded from missions...?

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OP should see me playing my Emile Bertin in t7 matches. I don't complain, I farm dam for credit, xp and FreeXP

 

 

 

 

so I don't know why ppl complaining

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56 minutes ago, Plaatduutsch said:

There are something worse: tier  5

 

2 hours ago, Summon3r said:

whats with t6?

my respond

 

t5

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Because MM is really desperate and can't control its urges. It doesn't think with its head but with its..... (insert).

Tiers 5 and 6 have been in a bad spot since the MM changes resulting in Tiers 3 and 4 only seeing +1 MM. Tier 5 is a lot worse than Tier 6, at Tier 6 you still get a fair number of Tier 5/6 matches, and Tier 6 ships don't have too much trouble against Tier 7 when played well. Against Tier 8, however, it's a real pain. Tier 6 sees Tier 5-7 matches around half the time, so you'll be seeing lots of Tier 7s.

-Warspite and Queen Elizabeth with their 15" guns can overmatch everything at Tier 7. So can Bayern but its 15" guns are inferior to Warspite / QE. New Mexico and Fuso might struggle more but 12 14" shells can easily kill cruisers and do well against broadside battleships. Same applies to Normandie.

-Old Cleveland with IFHE had no problems at Tier 7, it could reliably deal heavy damage to all Tier 7 BBs, though the USN and British ones were the easiest to hit due to their fat hulls and superstructure. Japanese battleships were also easy to hit because of their pagoda style superstructures.

-Nurnberg, Aoba, the French one, Duca etc. struggle more. Budyonny has no problems because it can just spam HE at range.

-Not too sure about destroyers.

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1 hour ago, Grand_Viceroy_Zhou_Ziyu said:

-Not too sure about destroyers.

It depends heavily on the lineup of each team. Then it also comes down to torpedo ranges, since most T6 DDs aside from Fubuki and Hatsuharu have max 8km ranges. Radar is still manageable. The real issues when facing T8 arise when you start encountering tier VIII DDs that are stealthier, some faster, or specialized in specific roles. I have both played in Akizuki vs tier VI and been on the helm of one, and I have to say it is a terrifying experience.

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Tier V-VI gets screwed over because Imperator Nikolai I in Tier IV needed MM protection :Smile_glasses:

3 hours ago, MrDeaf said:

Because T6 has a potential to enter into

  • T5-6
  • T5-7
  • T6-8

And then T7/8 seems to be a rather popular tier to play in.

Lots of reasons Tier VIII is great.  A number of the most popular ships are in Tier VIII such as Bismarck and Tirpitz.  Tirpitz is so popular, we had "Tirpocalypse" where entire team rosters for a while were filled by nothing but Tirpitz.  She's still the most played Premium Ship.  It incidentally is where BBs and DDs start becoming much fiercer than tier previous tiered brethren.  Most especially DDs since they access CSM1, and even USN DDs suddenly become Ninjas like IJN DDs, which didn't happen in prior tiers.  You also have the comedy of something like Akizuki ambushing and machinegunning poor Tier VI-VII DDs.

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Tier VIII DDs going to work against Tier VI-VII DDs

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Benson vs lower tier DDs.

Enterprise, Shokaku, Graf Zeppelin feasting on Tier VI-VII ships.  Even Lexington, which is a POS CV, can do a number on German BBs.  Tier VIII CV attacking Arizona, New Mexico, Fuso, Mutsu.  Some of these VI BBs have such poor AA, they may as well strap a sailor to a mast with a pistol to try and shoot down bombers! :Smile_teethhappy:

 

Premiums?  Tier VIII is stacked with popular choices, some of which are deadly effective.  Lo Yang, Kutuzov, Alabama, Enterprise, Tirpitz, etc.  When they get to be top tier, it's comedic.  

 

VIII is a really cool spot with solid choices.

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4 hours ago, Plaatduutsch said:

T6 is decent.

There are something worse: tier  5

The worst: T8

In my last 392 games in T6, I was bottom tier in 122, or 31%.  Not bad.

You are right, tier 5 is worse.  In my last 163 games in T5, I was bottom tier in 109, or 67%.  Ouch.  BUT, a lot of those games did not have ANY tier 7's.  So, bottom tier but only -1 tier.

T8 is the worst?  Only if you remove T5 from the equation, and even then it isn't bad.  In my case at least, perception was not reality.  In my last 324 games in T8, I was bottom tier in 126, or 39%.

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T5 is for me the worst tier.

 

Except some premium like Kamikaze or Gulio Cesare, most T5 ship are just food for T7. Omaha get destroyed by New Orlean, Furutaka, while having decent armor and speed doesn't have enough range to engage target, Kirov is paper. 

T6 is ok I guess, not too bad.

T7 is in a really good position. But at the same time, there are too many premium in that tier, I no longer have fun here.

T8 is one of my favorite tier. People complain about always being bottom tier when playing T8 ship but personally, I think most ship at this tier can handle T10 ship fairly well. It's easier to sink a Yamato with a Charles Martel than killing a Nagato with Emile Bertin  You need at least a 14 pt captain (which is already a huge investement) to do it. It's easier to deal with T9-10 BB in a Kagerou compared to a Mutsuki trying to deal with T6-7 BB.

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Lets try it again with a t5 as bottom tier

BOOM!

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and again

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Lately I feel like I've been bottom tier a lot unless I am in tier 9 or 10. Could be a bias memory. Either way, it also feels like people are playing at a tier higher than they normally do, because being bottom tier hasn't been as difficult for me to deal with. A Des Moines is a great ship in the right hands, and a devastating strike within 5 minutes in the wrong hands.

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Enjoy the challenge. While it is great knocking out Tier VI ships in Ryujo, I enjoy it more when fighting Tier VIII ships that can knock me out of the sky.

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6 hours ago, ObiwankzKenobi said:

 

my respond

 

t5

1 hour ago, ObiwankzKenobi said:

Lets try it again with a t5 as bottom tier

BOOM!

 

 

and again

 

 

OK... now try that in a New York, or any other ship that isn't universally recognised as OP.

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1 hour ago, ObiwankzKenobi said:

Lets try it again with a t5 as bottom tier

Yes, but the Giulio has a deserved reputation as a special case at that tier. I would be interested to hear from anyone who's fail-divisioned her up to a battle with Tier 8's as to how well she copes there.

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8 hours ago, Grand_Viceroy_Zhou_Ziyu said:

-Not too sure about destroyers.

Shinome, Hatsuharu, Fubuki all do well at Tier 6. Mutsuku and Minikaze also do well. 

With all the CA/CV missions, DD's have been more interesting this week.

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T6 is generally ok 5-6-7 MM is fine.

If T6 saw T8 all the time then T8 wouldn't be seeing T10, which it is.

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13 hours ago, Counter_Gambit said:

If you think that's bad, at tier 8, all you'll see is tier 10s...
 

 

Yeah...it goes like this:

Player gets to T6..."Wow....what's all these T8s I'm up against...man, I can't wait to get to T8"!

Player gets to T7:  "Cool, now I'm not the T6 punching bag anymore...but I still can't wait to get to T8 and own those T6s big time"!

Player gets to T8:  [Rubbing hands together in anticipation of crushing those T6] "Now, it's my turn to rule the roost"!  [Hit the battle button, relishing the moment.....]  "OMG WTH WTH OMG WTH  WHERE DID ALL THESE T10s COME FROM"?

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13 hours ago, Summon3r said:

whats with t6?? all i see are t8

Effed? Think of it this way the Older ladies want your Long Ship. Play it right and you get the prize. 

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