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This ship is so painful to play. She eats pens like crazy, moves like an obese elephant, burns like Hinckley, Minnesota, and is spotted from the opposite side of the solar system. I can't get to the Yamato fast enough. 

 

 

 

 

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Special thanks for @Lert for helping make this battle possible. I still think this ship is terrible. 

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fwiw... i bought and sold her four times. FOUR times. I tried, I really did... got close to the Yamato but finally sold her back, took a buy on those good exchange rates (xp to fxp) and got the Yammy... no guilt, no more pain. 

You know, Yamato has the best sounding main batteries in the game, i do believe. 

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I've heard this somewhere before?!!!!

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In before some knob slobber comes in and tells everyone that the izumo isn't that bad.

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you thought we were joking about her being the worst tier9 bb right?

well we warned all of you.

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1 hour ago, Herr_Reitz said:

fwiw... i bought and sold her four times. FOUR times.

What? At least, just play her on double exp weekend. haha

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ACTUALLY,  SHE IS...I don't know.  Just thought I'd be that guy.  But I have to say,  I am still sort of excited about getting her.  I know I am going to get stomped into a mudpuddle but for some reason she just intrigues me.

I will say though that this is one of the only ships where I've seen most of the community agree on.

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Is she modeled accurately? I know she's Design A-140. 

I don't click with Japanese battleships after the Kongo, as evidenced by my abysmal performance in the Fuso and Nagato. They're too big, don't turn well, get set on fire easily, and I don't like the long range playstyle. Also there seems to be something weird about their shells compared to American BBs, in the sense that they often miss even when I aim well at the waterline. They fall short.

  I've had to stop playing even the Kongo because.... Tier 5 MM.

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7 hours ago, Elidan123 said:

What? At least, just play her on double exp weekend. haha

I wouldn't call it rage quitting.. It was more like, "I'm trying to like her, really I am... but those rumors of being a gate keeper keep coming 'round..." For me, the rumors kept proving true...I had like no good game in her, ever. Then I'd look at the amount of xp needed to score the Yammy - when using a free account, no premium time, I'd do the match and arrive at the "no way,  not today, not next week" conclusion.

By "no way, not today" I mean I could not see myself playing her for weeks and weeks. So I'd sell her. Time passed. I completed other grinds. Still wanting Yamato, I'd try again. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I wondered when doing this if the Yamator was gonna be worth it... in my book, no, the grind is insanely punishing for someone without a premium account. In my opinion, that is... ymmv

All the best to anyone who wants to grind to Yamato  on a free account via game play and the Izumo. She is, in my opinion, the most unrewarding ship in the entire game, even worse than Karl, the cruiser. 

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12 minutes ago, Herr_Reitz said:

I wouldn't call it rage quitting.. It was more like, "I'm trying to like her, really I am... but those rumors of being a gate keeper keep coming 'round..." For me, the rumors kept proving true...I had like no good game in her, ever. Then I'd look at the amount of xp needed to score the Yammy - when using a free account, no premium time, I'd do the match and arrive at the "no way,  not today, not next week" conclusion.

By "no way, not today" I mean I could not see myself playing her for weeks and weeks. So I'd sell her. Time passed. I completed other grinds. Still wanting Yamato, I'd try again. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I wondered when doing this if the Yamator was gonna be worth it... in my book, no, the grind is insanely punishing for someone without a premium account. In my opinion, that is... ymmv

All the best to anyone who wants to grind to Yamato  on a free account via game play and the Izumo. She is, in my opinion, the most unrewarding ship in the entire game, even worse than Karl, the cruiser. 

I've had the ship going on 2 years now,  still only about half way thru the grind.  I just refuse to play the ship. Every time I think I'll just free XP past it, they come out with a new line, or a new free xp ship and I dont have enough, so that POS just sits there looking stupid.   Since I have the Musashi,  the yammy can wait another two years.

 

One day the Devs will see that ship is a  complete disaster and either replace it or fix the fake ship.

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It is quite a learning curve, but in the end, you'll figure it out and you can get amazing games out of her. Sometimes, well, hit that exit to port button quick. :)

 

Took me 88 battles to grind out the Yamato with average of 70k damage games, only 43% winrate though.

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Great money maker

...for WG:cap_yes:

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I skipped it without shame. I just can't look at it. Even more disturbing is that someone had to look at it long enough to design it. Then others had to look at it to approve the design. Then more people had to look at it to test it. It's a crime. An aesthetic abomination. Now people have to look at it in-game. When it's there on screen people gasp and say "what is it...what do we do with it? Do we feed it, poke it, kill it, make a bad porno meme out of it?? Ahh f*ck it just kill it!" That's why it gets focused, people simply don't want to look at it anymore...

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worst ship at tier 9 by far.  Even in matches you do well, you will hate the ship.

 

this was the last battle i played in the Izu before free xp the last 10k or so i believe.

 

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was about as good of a note to go out on.

was last alive, being chased around an island for about 2 min by a conq.(he was a good player, and knew to use HE and AP)  After killing him, i joined in with a few other people discussing the various high tier BBs.  everyone agreed this ship was garbage.  someone mentioned it was best used a torpedo.  With that thought in my mind, and a full health Iowa who was shooting HE not far away, i decided to go for the ram.  Managed to gun down a donskoi before ramming the Iowa killing us both.  

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There are several ways to get range.  Unlike several countries, Japan favored 1 way above others to increase their range; angles.  Japanese battleship guns favored heavily toward higher angles for distance fire instead of increased velocity.  While this allowed them to achieve longer range for the same velocities, it also meant a greater skew in dispersion on the short/long shot axis, and meant shells at the longest end of their ranges were prone to being over and undershots more than on target.  The benefit of this however also meant they were great at plunging shells onto decks and into cits from above when they did hit.  While the US's 16" did have 45 degree angles, it also had less velocity to compensate.

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I actually liked the Izumo :Smile_sad:

If it had the turret functionality of the Nelson, it would have been a lot more comfortable for me.

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23 hours ago, Shadowrigger1 said:

In before some knob slobber comes in and tells everyone that the izumo isn't that bad.

So tell us specifically what is so bad about Izumo; that is not shared with other battleships. 

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It is so different to play than other ships in the line.  I think that is where the problems start.  I did my grind through it early in my WOWS time, so I wasn't as proficient as I am now, so I always wondered if it really was that bad, or was I just that bad in it.  Almost every opinion suggests that it is just as bad as I originally thought it was.

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30 minutes ago, StoneRhino said:

So tell us specifically what is so bad about Izumo; that is not shared with other battleships. 

Guns are pretty horrible, and it doesn't have the best armor scheme against anything that shoots HE. Way too unmaneuverable and slow, very egregious coming from the generally well performing Amagi. Musashi completely walks over this thing.

I truly hated the guns. I hated feeling like every time I took it anywhere close to a fight, the HP just evaporated. It is fairly tanky against AP ONLY, and doesn't have the ability to disengage like Iowa, or even Yamato herself, because of worse concealment and agility, or speed and low citadel like Iowa, not to mention her concealment. Yes, a little known fact is that the ship is actually slower and easier to spot than Yamato.

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18 minutes ago, StoneRhino said:

So tell us specifically what is so bad about Izumo; that is not shared with other battleships. 

  • second slowest ship in T9, only Musashi is worse
  • worst armor in T9, Lion is equally bad, but it's nearly impossible to cit
  • absolutely eats all HE flung at it
  • atrocious TDS for its tier
  • Shell performance is wonky, thanks to too high MV for the shell
  • second worst AA, and if that wasn't bad enough, it eats AP bomb cits, unlike Musashi
  • second worst secondaries at T9, only Lion is worse
  • worst concealment in T7-10
  • extremely tall sitting turrets with very weak 356mm barbette armor results in many destroyed turrets, even if the turret faces are 508mm thick
  • agility is also atrocious, despite all other features also being atrocious
  • can't kite
  • can't tank
  • can't snipe
  • can't push
  • can't flank

 

Other T9 BBs have at least two redeeming features that allows them to be useful in a variety of ways.

  • Lion: concealment, HE spam, troll armor, super heal
  • Alsace: 12 guns, Speed, troll armor
  • Missouri: Radar, AA, concealment, SHS AP, speed
  • Iowa: AA, concealment, SHS AP, speed
  • FDG: secondaries, troll armor, rapid firing guns, hydro
  • Musashi: lolcit, armor, TDS
  • Izumo: ???
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33 minutes ago, StoneRhino said:

So tell us specifically what is so bad about Izumo; that is not shared with other battleships. 

These sum it up nicely..  This ship has been the worst BB at T9 since the game was released, it's in desperate need of an overhaul, like the Colorado was.   I believe it's entire deck is 25mm leaving it completely vulnerable to Every HE slinger out there.

3 minutes ago, SeraphicRadiance said:

Guns are pretty horrible, and it doesn't have the best armor scheme against anything that shoots HE. Way too unmaneuverable and slow, very egregious coming from the generally well performing Amagi. Musashi completely walks over this thing.

I truly hated the guns. I hated feeling like every time I took it anywhere close to a fight, the HP just evaporated. It is fairly tanky against AP ONLY, and doesn't have the ability to disengage like Iowa, or even Yamato herself, because of worse concealment and agility, or speed and low citadel like Iowa, not to mention her concealment. Yes, a little known fact is that the ship is actually slower and easier to spot than Yamato.

 

2 minutes ago, MrDeaf said:
  • second slowest ship in T9, only Musashi is worse
  • worst armor in T9, Lion is equally bad, but it's nearly impossible to cit
  • absolutely eats all HE flung at it
  • atrocious TDS for its tier
  • Shell performance is wonky, thanks to too high MV for the shell
  • second worst AA, and if that wasn't bad enough, it eats AP bomb cits, unlike Musashi
  • second worst secondaries at T9, only Lion is worse
  • worst concealment in T7-10
  • extremely tall sitting turrets with very weak 356mm barbette armor results in many destroyed turrets, even if the turret faces are 508mm thick
  • agility is also atrocious, despite all other features also being atrocious
  • can't kite
  • can't tank
  • can't snipe
  • can't push
  • can't flank

 

Other T9 BBs have at least two redeeming features that allows them to be useful in a variety of ways.

  • Lion: concealment, HE spam, troll armor, super heal
  • Alsace: 12 guns, Speed, troll armor
  • Missouri: Radar, AA, concealment, SHS AP, speed
  • Iowa: AA, concealment, SHS AP, speed
  • FDG: secondaries, troll armor, rapid firing guns, hydro
  • Musashi: lolcit, armor, TDS
  • Izumo: ???

 

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The day you get to sell your Izumo for the Yamato is a happy day indeed.

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25 minutes ago, SeraphicRadiance said:

Guns are pretty horrible, and it doesn't have the best armor scheme against anything that shoots HE. Way too unmaneuverable and slow, very egregious coming from the generally well performing Amagi. Musashi completely walks over this thing.

I truly hated the guns. I hated feeling like every time I took it anywhere close to a fight, the HP just evaporated. It is fairly tanky against AP ONLY, and doesn't have the ability to disengage like Iowa, or even Yamato herself, because of worse concealment and agility, or speed and low citadel like Iowa, not to mention her concealment. Yes, a little known fact is that the ship is actually slower and easier to spot than Yamato.

Medium to bad vertical dispersion is an IJN feature for everything before and including Izumo. It is better than the German's and has longer ranger.

Izumo vs Yamato agility. Izumo is actual 1kts faster, faster rudder shift and smaller turning circle. Granted I would say that Izumo is more agile in the slightest because even with very slightly better numbers it is still equal.

Concealment again we are talking 1.26 km hardly a difference when talking about 18 vs 19.26. I will give you that Yamato's is better again in the very slightest.

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On ‎6‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 9:18 PM, RipNuN2 said:

This ship is so painful to play. She eats pens like crazy, moves like an obese elephant, burns like Hinckley, Minnesota, and is spotted from the opposite side of the solar system. I can't get to the Yamato fast enough. 

 

 

 

 

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Special thanks for @Lert for helping make this battle possible. I still think this ship is terrible. 

That's the problem YOU CANT GET TO THE YAMATO fast enough!!!!   I tired but I could not make myself finish the grind it was soul crushing. Had to sell it a third of the way through and began running up German BB's.

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