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Some of you will remember my Tier 5 experiment and the results. Starting today I'm going to do the same thing but with tier 8. I will note the server population, what ship I'm driving and the tier spread.

"What ships will you be driving?"

Whatever ship fits my mood at the moment. Bismarck, Tirpitz, Kii, Atago, Alabama, Kutuzov, Charles Martel, Richelieu, etc. Yes, I'm a BB driver, and BBs will make up the majority of my battles during this experiment. I also like my premiums, so I will be driving those most of all.

"Will you record time of day? This might affect MM."

No, but I will record server population at the moment I hit battle.

"Will you be divisioned?"

No, all my battles for this experiment will be solo.

"What are you hoping to prove?"

Prove? Nothing. 100 matches is not a large enough sample size to draw conclusions on. At best it will show tendencies. My hope is to get a grasp on some actual numbers.

"No really, why are you doing this?"

Meh, I'm bored. I see a lot of complaining about T8 MM, and want to put a dent into figuring out how much of that is true.

"How long will this take?"

I'unno. I'll try to put at least 5 matches into this experiment every day, so likely at most 20 days. However, no promises.

"What will be the format for your data points? Will you post replays? Team screenshots?"

No. I'm just going to update each day with how many battles I played in tier 8 ships, the population and what the tiering was.

"Will you record battle result?"

No. I believe that to be outside the scope of this experiment, plus not recording battle result will streamline data collection since I don't have to go back and append data to each point after the battle.

"Can I help?"

I mean, you're welcome to run a similar experiment yourself and record the results. But that'd be your experiment and your results. I'm not collect data from multiple people to make one overall multi-person conclusion tally, but you're welcome to use mine for that purpose if you want to.

"But I disagree with your method for <insert thing here>!"

K. Feel free to run a similar experiment to your own specifications.

"Will you post your data as you collect it so we can follow along?"

I will append my data sets to the bottom of this post.

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First batch of 10:

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1: Kutuzov, 9.8k pop, tier 10 battle
2: Tirpitz, 10k pop, tier 8 battle
3: Alabama, 10k pop, tier 10 battle
4: Alabama, 10.2k pop, tier 8 battle
5: Richelieu, 10.4k pop, tier 10 battle
6: Roma, 10.9k pop, tier 8 battle
7: ARP Takao, 10.9k pop, tier 10 battle
8: Roma, 11.2k pop, tier 10 battle
9: Bismarck, 11.4k pop, tier 10 battle
10: Kii, 11.8k pop, tier 10 battle

Second batch of 10:

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11: Charles Martel, 7.2k pop, tier 8 battle
12: Charles Martel, 7.2k pop, tier 9 battle
13: Roma, 7.3k pop, tier 10 battle
14: Richelieu, 7.4k pop, tier 8 battle
15: Richelieu, 7.7k pop, tier 8 battle
16: Alabama, 7.7k pop, tier 10 battle
17: Kutuzov, 7.8k pop, tier 8 battle
18: Hipper, 8.0k pop, tier 10 battle
19: Prinz Eugen, 8.2k pop, tier 8 battle
20: ARP Takao, 8.5k pop, tier 8 battle

Third batch of 10:

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21: Richelieu, 6.2k pop, tier 10 battle
22: Roma, 6.3k pop, tier 10 battle
23: Roma, 6.7k pop, tier 8 battle
24: Prinz Eugen, 7.7k pop, tier 10 battle
25: Kutuzov, 7.8k pop, tier 8 battle
26: Charles Martel, 7.9k pop, tier 10 battle
27: Kutuzov, 8.2k pop, tier 8 battle
28: Kii, 8.4k pop, tier 10 battle
29: Alabama, 8.7k pop, tier 10 battle
30: Alabama, 8.9k pop, tier 10 battle

Fourth batch of 10:

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31: Alabama, 3.8k pop, tier 9 battle
32: Alabama, 3k pop, tier 10 battle
33: Roma, 4.2k pop, tier 8 battle
34: Roma, 4.5k pop, tier 8 battle
35: Roma, 4.8k pop, tier 10 battle
36: Richelieu, 5k pop, tier 10 battle
37: Roma, 5.1k pop, tier 9 battle
38: Tirpitz, 5.2k pop, tier 8 battle
39: Tirpitz, 7.2k pop, tier 9 battle
40: Tirpitz, 8.8k pop, tier 10 battle

Fifth batch of 10:

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41: Alabama, 5.5k pop, tier 8 battle
42: Alabama, 6k pop, tier 10 battle
43: Kutuzov, 6.5k pop, tier 8 battle
44: Takao, 6.6k pop, tier 10 battle
45: Kutuzov, 7.4k pop, tier 8 battle
46: Kutuzov, 9.1k pop, tier 8 battle
47: Kutuzov, 9.6k pop, tier 10 battle
48: Roma, 10k pop, tier 10 battle
49: Roma, 1.1k pop, tier 10 battle
50: Alabama, 10.3k pop, tier 9 battle

Sixth batch of 10:

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51: Roma, 6.2k pop, tier 9 battle
52: Roma, 6.4k pop, tier 10 battle
53: Richelieu, 6.7k pop, tier 8 battle
54: Kutuzov, 7.1k pop, tier 8 battle
55: Kii, 7.2k pop, tier 9 battle
56: Kii, 7.4k pop, tier 8 battle
57: Kii, 7.5k pop, tier 8 battle
58: Kii, 7.6k pop, tier 9 battle
59: Tirpitz, 7.8k pop, tier 9 battle
60: Roma, 8k pop, tier 10 battle

Seventh batch of 10:

Spoiler

61: Kutuzov, 5.6k pop, tier 10 battle
62: Roma, 5.7k pop, tier 10 battle
63: Richelieu, 5.8k pop, tier 9 battle
64: Roma, 7k pop, tier 10 battle
65: Richelieu, 7.2k pop, tier 10 battle
66: Bismarck, 7.2k pop, tier 9 battle
67: Alabama, 7.3k pop, tier 8 battle
68: Kutuzov, 7.5k pop, tier 10 battle
69: Prinz Eugen, 7.5k pop, tier 8 battle
70: Charles Martel, 7.7k pop, tier 9 battle

Eighth batch of 10:

Spoiler

71: Kutuzov, 6.5k pop, tier 8 battle
72: Roma, 6.7k pop, tier 10 battle
73: Roma, 7k pop, tier 8 battle
74: Richelieu, 7.1k pop, tier 9 battle
75: Richelieu, 7.4k pop, tier 8 battle
76: Roma, 7.4k pop, tier 9 battle
77: Kii, 7.5k pop, tier 10 battle
78: Kii, 7.6k pop, tier 10 battle
79: Kii, 8.1k pop, tier 10 battle
80: Kii, 9k pop, tier 10 battle

Ninth batch of 10:

Spoiler

81: Kii, 8.2k pop, tier 8 battle
82: Kii, 9.8k pop, tier 10 battle
83: Roma, 10.3k pop, tier 10 battle
84: Richelieu, 10.6k pop, tier 8 battle
85: Prinz Eugen, 10.8k pop, tier 10 battle
86: Tirpitz, 10.9k pop, tier 8 battle
87: Roma, 11k pop, tier 8 battle
88: Roma, 11.1k pop, tier 9 battle
89: Atago, 11.3k pop, tier 9 battle
90: Kii, 11.5k pop, tier 8 battle

Last batch of 10:

Spoiler

91: Kii, 5.4k pop, tier 10 battle
92: Roma, 5.7k pop, tier 10 battle
93: Kutuzov, 5.8k pop, tier 10 battle
94: Richelieu, 5.9k pop, tier 10 battle
95: Tirpitz, 6k pop, tier 8 battle
96: Bismarck, 8.3k pop, tier 8 battle
97: Alabama, 10.2k pop, tier 9 battle
98: Charles Martel, 10.5k pop, tier 8 battle
99: ARP Takao, 11k pop, tier 8 battle
100: Prinz Eugen, 11.3k pop, tier 9 battle

Tally so far:

Tier 8 battle: 37
Tier 9 battle: 18
Tier 10 battle: 45

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11 minutes ago, Lert said:

 

"What will be the format for your data points? Will you post replays? Team screenshots?"

No. I'm just going to update each day with how many battles I played in tier 8 ships, the population and what the tiering was.

 

 

" B-But if you don't post team screenshot, how can you prove T8 have a chance to win against T10 ?"

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If you run premium you can also test if you get "premium" matchmaking.

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10 minutes ago, AlcatrazNC said:

" B-But if you don't post team screenshot, how can you prove T8 have a chance to win against T10 ?"

There's more than enough proof for that out there.

6 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

If you run premium you can also test if you get "premium" matchmaking.

Doesn't work that way. Can't argue whether premium affects MM without running an equal sized control without premium.

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Have fun with it.

The constant tier 5, 6, and 8 MM complaints prompted me to do something similar.  Every game I play in a T5, 6, 7 or 8 ship, I keep track of the specific ship, if I was low tier or not (and if so, how many of each of the two higher tiers there were), and if I was low tier, how I placed in XP on my team.  I wanted to see how often each tier was bottom tier, and if I could be productive with a bottom tier ship.  I have been keeping track for months.  I have not kept track of what the tier breakdown was for each game, server population, time of day, or other variables.

Since you might find it interesting, here are my T8 results:

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T8                                             9          10            result                 not bottom  total = 120 bottom tier out of 310 played, 39% were bottom tier

Akizuki                                   2              4              L1                            22

                                                3              4              W1

                                                4              2              W2

                                                3              5              L3

                                                7              3              W1

                                                4              4              L5

                                                5              3              L9

                                                2              6              W8

                                                5              5              W1

                                                3              6              W7

                                                8              4              L8

                                                4              3              ?

                                                2              4              L5

                                                2              5              W1

                                                2              5              W3

                                                2              4              W1

                                                6              3              L8

                                                5              5              W1

                                                5              5              W1

                                                1              4              L1

                                                1              5              W6

                                                4              3              L6

                                                5              3              W1

 

 

 

Benson                                   2              4              W3                          1

                                                2              5              W7

 

 

 

Bismarck                                3              3              L2                            28

                                                6              3              W1

                                                4              5              W5

                                                5              3              L4

                                                2              4              L6

                                                1              8              W10

                                                5              4              L9

                                                2              7              L3

                                                4              2              L2

                                                5              5              L1

                                                3              5              W6

                                                2              4              W11

                                                2              3              W4

                                                3              4              W1

 

 

 

 

Chapayev                               3              3              W9                          16

                                                6              2              W12

                                                3              6              L2

                                                5              3              L2

                                                1              5              W5

                                                3              7              W6

                                                4              4              L11

                                                3              5              L7

                                                4              4              L4

                                                2              7              W3

                                                5              4              ?

                                                8              3              W8          dc’d

                                                3              4              L3

 

 

Cleveland                              6              2              L7                            3

                                                1              5              W9

                                                4              4              W2

 

 

Edinburgh                              3              3              W6                          19

                                                2              5              W9

                                                5              4              W6

                                                3              6              L3

                                                2              7              W12

                                                3              5              L2

                                                4              7              W8

                                                1              7              L1

                                                5              4              L10

                                                0              6              W7

                                                2              6              L3

 

 

Kagero                                   4              4              L?                            1

 

 

 

Kiev                                        3              5              W1                          0

 

 

Kutuzov                                 3              5              L5                            35

                                                2              4              L10

                                                3              4              W1

                                                2              6              L6

                                                4              4              L3

                                                4              3              L6

                                                6              4              L2

                                                4              1              W4

                                                2              4              L8

                                                3              6              W10

                                                2              5              L6

                                                7              3              W3

                                                1              4              W3

                                                4              4              W4

                                                3              5              L8

                                                3              3              W4

                                                5              3              L10

                                                2              5              W7

                                                4              4              W5

                                                5              6              W8

 

 

 

Loyang                                                                                                   1

 

 

Mogami                                 2              8              L3                            6

                                                3              1              L1

                                                2              8              L5

                                                4              4              W9

                                                5              3              L4

 

 

 

North Carolina                     1              6              L6                            12

                                                2              5              W3

                                                5              3              L5

                                                2              7              L7

                                                2              4              L3

 

 

 

Ognevoi                                 3              4              W4                          6

                                                3              5              W6

 

 

Takao                                                                                                      3

 

 

Tirpitz                                     4              4              W2                          26

                                                3              3              W11 dc’d

                                                2              6              L11

                                                3              2              W7

                                                4              4              W7

                                                3              3              W11

                                                1              8              L4

                                                3              5              L8

                                                3              7              W3

                                                2              3              W2

                                                3              4              L4

                                                4              3              L1

                                                1              5              W8

 

 

 

 

Z-23                                        6              5              W2                          9

                                                5              6              W9

                                                5              3              W2

                                                5              5              L7

                                                2              5              L11

                                                4              5              L6

                                                3              4              W4

                                                4              0              L8

                                                5              3              W1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, desmo_2 said:

Since you might find it interesting, here are my T8 results:

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T8                                             9          10            result                 not bottom  total = 120/310, 39%

 

Akizuki                                   2              4              L1                            22

 

                                                3              4              W1

 

                                                4              2              W2

 

                                                3              5              L3

 

                                                7              3              W1

 

                                                4              4              L5

 

                                                5              3              L9

 

                                                2              6              W8

 

                                                5              5              W1

 

                                                3              6              W7

 

                                                8              4              L8

 

                                                4              3              ?

 

                                                2              4              L5

 

                                                2              5              W1

 

                                                2              5              W3

 

                                                2              4              W1

 

                                                6              3              L8

 

                                                5              5              W1

 

                                                5              5              W1

 

                                                1              4              L1

 

                                                1              5              W6

 

                                                4              3              L6

 

                                                5              3              W1

 

 

 

 

Benson                                   2              4              W3                          1

 

                                                2              5              W7

 

 

 

 

Bismarck                                3              3              L2                            28

 

                                                6              3              W1

 

                                                4              5              W5

 

                                                5              3              L4

 

                                                2              4              L6

 

                                                1              8              W10

 

                                                5              4              L9

 

                                                2              7              L3

 

                                                4              2              L2

 

                                                5              5              L1

 

                                                3              5              W6

 

                                                2              4              W11

 

                                                2              3              W4

 

                                                3              4              W1

 

 

 

 

Chapayev                               3              3              W9                          16

 

                                                6              2              W12

 

                                                3              6              L2

 

                                                5              3              L2

 

                                                1              5              W5

 

                                                3              7              W6

 

                                                4              4              L11

 

                                                3              5              L7

 

                                                4              4              L4

 

                                                2              7              W3

 

                                                5              4              ?

 

                                                8              3              W8          dc’d

 

                                                3              4              L3

 

 

 

Cleveland                              6              2              L7                            3

 

                                                1              5              W9

 

                                                4              4              W2

 

 

 

Edinburgh                              3              3              W6                          19

 

                                                2              5              W9

 

                                                5              4              W6

 

                                                3              6              L3

 

                                                2              7              W12

 

                                                3              5              L2

 

                                                4              7              W8

 

                                                1              7              L1

 

                                                5              4              L10

 

                                                0              6              W7

 

                                                2              6              L3

 

 

 

Kagero                                   4              4              L?                            1

 

 

 

 

Kiev                                        3              5              W1                          0

 

 

 

Kutuzov                                 3              5              L5                            35

 

                                                2              4              L10

 

                                                3              4              W1

 

                                                2              6              L6

 

                                                4              4              L3

 

                                                4              3              L6

 

                                                6              4              L2

 

                                                4              1              W4

 

                                                2              4              L8

 

                                                3              6              W10

 

                                                2              5              L6

 

                                                7              3              W3

 

                                                1              4              W3

 

                                                4              4              W4

 

                                                3              5              L8

 

                                                3              3              W4

 

                                                5              3              L10

 

                                                2              5              W7

 

                                                4              4              W5

 

                                                5              6              W8

 

 

 

 

Loyang                                                                                                   1

 

 

 

Mogami                                 2              8              L3                            6

 

                                                3              1              L1

 

                                                2              8              L5

 

                                                4              4              W9

 

                                                5              3              L4

 

 

 

 

North Carolina                     1              6              L6                            12

 

                                                2              5              W3

 

                                                5              3              L5

 

                                                2              7              L7

 

                                                2              4              L3

 

 

 

 

Ognevoi                                 3              4              W4                          6

 

                                                3              5              W6

 

 

 

Takao                                                                                                      3

 

 

 

Tirpitz                                     4              4              W2                          26

 

                                                3              3              W11 dc’d

 

                                                2              6              L11

 

                                                3              2              W7

 

                                                4              4              W7

 

                                                3              3              W11

 

                                                1              8              L4

 

                                                3              5              L8

 

                                                3              7              W3

 

                                                2              3              W2

 

                                                3              4              L4

 

                                                4              3              L1

 

                                                1              5              W8

 

 

 

 

 

Z-23                                        6              5              W2                          9

 

                                                5              6              W9

 

                                                5              3              W2

 

                                                5              5              L7

 

                                                2              5              L11

 

                                                4              5              L6

 

                                                3              4              W4

 

                                                4              0              L8

 

                                                5              3              W1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice data! Thanks for posting. Am I to read that over your sample size you had 39% battles where you were not bottom tier?

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35 minutes ago, Lert said:

Nice data! Thanks for posting. Am I to read that over your sample size you had 39% battles where you were not bottom tier?

Opposite, actually.  120 were bottom tier out of 310 played, so bottom tier 39%.

The "not bottom" line is a header for the column.  If I play a T8 ship and am not bottom tier, I add one to the 'not bottom' total for that ship.  If I am bottom tier, I add the tier breakdown to the bottom of the list for that ship.  I just placed the "total" summary next to that for convenience, since my full list also contains T5-8.  I edited my list to clarify that.

Quite a contrast from the constant complaints that T8 "ONLY" sees T10.  I was honestly expecting a different result, myself.  My perceptions were not reality!

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6 minutes ago, desmo_2 said:

Opposite, actually.  120 were bottom tier out of 310 played, so bottom tier 39%.

That's a lot more generous than I was expecting, even. That's 61% where you're either top tier or mid tier in a T9 battle.

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When I did my Benson grind just after the T10 premium camos dropped in December 2016 I was seeing 71% uptiered battles.

Kept track and it was ugly...

Have fun with your experiment.

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Best of luck Lert.  I think anything you gather would be useful.  It's certainly a statistic that needs looked into.  Will be interested in seeing what you come up with especially since you will be main lining BBs.

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19 hours ago, Lert said:

I mean, you're welcome to run a similar experiment yourself and record the results. But that'd be your experiment and your results. I'm not collect data from multiple people to make one overall multi-person conclusion tally, but you're welcome to use mine for that purpose if you want to.

"But I disagree with your method for <insert thing here>!"

K. Feel free to run a similar experiment to your own specifications.

"Will you post your data as you collect it so we can follow along?"

I will append my data sets to the bottom of this post.

I did, but ran into the problem you allude to: not enough games to say anything definitive. I think you'd need a truly huge dataset, like 400 games at that tier. I haven't the patience to collect that much data. But the data I collected were consistent with WG's claim that T8 is top tier 55% of the time. 

But if I am in game and you need someone to div with, @Lert, happy to div T8s. For science!

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1 hour ago, Taichunger said:

I did, but ran into the problem you allude to: not enough games to say anything definitive. I think you'd need a truly huge dataset, like 400 games at that tier. I haven't the patience to collect that much data. But the data I collected were consistent with WG's claim that T8 is top tier 55% of the time. 

But if I am in game and you need someone to div with, @Lert, happy to div T8s. For science!

Even 400 wouldn't be enough. You need thousands even tens of thousands of matches which we don't have access too but WG does. However, with our personal tests we can see the general direction that the data is going.

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I personally track every Random match I play.  Including Win/loss, Dmg, Credits, XP, Kills, placement and any achievements.  I've been doing it since January 23rd, 2017.  

That said, I only track specific tiering data for one ship - Ernst Gaede - and only for the most recent 256 matches though.  

I don't have time of day or server pop info, and I really only record the top tier in the match.  This can be somewhat misleading, since I've had matches where there was only a single T8 ship on each team, with the rest T6/T7.

I know this is a "T8" thread, but my data is below.

Top tier: 

  75/256 (29.3%)

  # Wins:  49 (65.33% WR)

Mid tier: 

  108/256 (42.2%)

  # Wins:  59 (54.63% WR)

Bottom tier: 

  73/256 (28.5%)

  # Wins:  45 (61.64% WR)

What does this all mean?  Absolutely nothing, but I collect it anyway because I like the ship.

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4 hours ago, Lert said:

Some of you will remember my Tier 5 experiment and the results. Starting today I'm going to do the same thing but with tier 8. I will note the server population, what ship I'm driving and the tier spread.

"What ships will you be drving?"

Whatever ship fits my mood at the moment. Bismarck, Tirpitz, Kii, Atago, Alabama, Kutuzov, Charles Martel, Richelieu, etc. Yes, I'm a BB driver, and BBs will make up the majority of my battles during this experiment. I also like my premiums, so I will be driving those most of all.

"Will you record time of day? This might affect MM."

No, but I will record server population at the moment I hit battle.

"Will you be divisioned?"

No, all my battles for this experiment will be solo.

"What are you hoping to prove?"

Prove? Nothing. 100 matches is not a large enough sample size to draw conclusions on. At best it will show tendencies. My hope is to get a grasp on some actual numbers.

"No really, why are you doing this?"

Meh, I'm bored. I see a lot of complaining about T8 MM, and want to put a dent into figuring out how much of that is true.

"How long will this take?"

I'unno. I'll try to put at least 5 matches into this experiment every day, so likely at most 20 days. However, no promises.

"What will be the format for your data points? Will you post replays? Team screenshots?"

No. I'm just going to update each day with how many battles I played in tier 8 ships, the population and what the tiering was.

"Will you record battle result?"

No. I believe that to be outside the scope of this experiment, plus not recording battle result will streamline data collection since I don't have to go back and append data to each point after the battle.

"Can I help?"

I mean, you're welcome to run a similar experiment yourself and record the results. But that'd be your experiment and your results. I'm not collect data from multiple people to make one overall multi-person conclusion tally, but you're welcome to use mine for that purpose if you want to.

"But I disagree with your method for <insert thing here>!"

K. Feel free to run a similar experiment to your own specifications.

"Will you post your data as you collect it so we can follow along?"

I will append my data sets to the bottom of this post.

 

 

Awesome Lert. I participated in your tier 5 experiment and I would expect similar results for tier 8. Giter done!

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5 hours ago, desmo_2 said:

Opposite, actually.  120 were bottom tier out of 310 played, so bottom tier 39%.

The "not bottom" line is a header for the column.  If I play a T8 ship and am not bottom tier, I add one to the 'not bottom' total for that ship.  If I am bottom tier, I add the tier breakdown to the bottom of the list for that ship.  I just placed the "total" summary next to that for convenience, since my full list also contains T5-8.  I edited my list to clarify that.

Quite a contrast from the constant complaints that T8 "ONLY" sees T10.  I was honestly expecting a different result, myself.  My perceptions were not reality!

Lol I sometimes prefer to face tier X in ships like Kagero since I can do a lot more HP damage to X BBs than to tier VI BBs...

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I like being a t8 in a t10 game. It's really easy to come top of team

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8 hours ago, Lert said:

Some of you will remember my Tier 5 experiment and the results. Starting today I'm going to do the same thing but with tier 8. I will note the server population, what ship I'm driving and the tier spread.

"

I am convinced, and while having absolutely no factual data to present to support my conviction.... that it's very hard to gauge how often you play as bottom or top tier unless you play the same ship without logging off. many times I would bounce from the Mogami, Atago, and a few other tier  8 and was bottom tier 4 or more games in a row. But if I played the same ship multiple games in a row, the MM worked out evenly.

In summary, it seems that you often get bottom tier to start and that resets every time you play a different ship or log off.... making it seem like a perpetual bottom tier bias.

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2 minutes ago, Sweetsie said:

I am convinced, and while having absolutely no factual data to present to support my conviction.... that it's very hard to gauge how often you play as bottom or top tier unless you play the same ship without logging off. many times I would bounce from the Mogami, Atago, and a few other tier  8 and was bottom tier 4 or more games in a row. But if I played the same ship multiple games in a row, the MM worked out evenly.

In summary, it seems that you often get bottom tier to start and that resets every time you play a different ship or log off.... making it seem like a perpetual bottom tier bias.

Since most people don't play that way unless they're hard core grinding through a ship, if I tested it that way I would get results for an MM that people don't use.

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6 minutes ago, Lert said:

Since most people don't play that way unless they're hard core grinding through a ship, if I tested it that way I would get results for an MM that people don't use.

Agreed, I tested it a few times in preparation to complain to WG only to find that the results were very even. Should be interesting to see your results.

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Premium MM is a myth. This isn’t WOT with preferred MM premiums. You get down tiered just as bad in a premium.

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1 hour ago, Komrade_Rylo said:

I like being a t8 in a t10 game. It's really easy to come top of team

That is because you literally don’t matter in a t10 game. I find being top tier harder in a t8 as you are supposed to be carrying the team.

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7 minutes ago, GreyFox78659 said:

That is because you literally don’t matter in a t10 game. I find being top tier harder in a t8 as you are supposed to be carrying the team.

 

Except I can trust myself to beat down almost any t10 with my tier 8 ships.  So it's easy to have high impact even when bottom tier.

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14 minutes ago, GreyFox78659 said:

Premium MM is a myth. This isn’t WOT with preferred MM premiums. You get down tiered just as bad in a premium.

That's my belief too, based over 11.4k+ matches in this game. However, I don't think anyone's actually ran the experiment.

13 minutes ago, GreyFox78659 said:

That is because you literally don’t matter in a t10 game. I find being top tier harder in a t8 as you are supposed to be carrying the team.

There's truth in this. When you're bottom tier the pressure is off. It's liberating, in a sense. Leads to matches like this:

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Though this is exception rather than rule. Still proud of breaking 2k base XP in a curb stomp like that, and in literally the slowest ship on the map.

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18 minutes ago, Lert said:

That's my belief too, based over 11.4k+ matches in this game. However, I don't think anyone's actually ran the experiment.

There's truth in this. When you're bottom tier the pressure is off. It's liberating, in a sense. Leads to matches like this:

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Though this is exception rather than rule. Still proud of breaking 2k base XP in a curb stomp like that, and in literally the slowest ship on the map.

Not to mention playing Kidd seeing z52, z46 and 2 Kidd’s on your against 2 Fletchers, and 2 Kageros  on the other team. You know it’s going to be easy.

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