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Dev's,

Cleveland is a LIGHT CRUISER, built in 1942.  It NEVER was intended to be used fighting against heavy cruisers, and Battleships built in 1944-1950.  It is completely outclassed at that tier.  It does not have the hp, the firing range (Especially at stock), armor, or the firepower to be at Tier 8.  Everyone who knows and plays any T8-T10 battles knows this, and they take advantage of it...EVERY TIME.

You Dev's are setting it up for failure, especially if you use the Ocean map as the battle map.  Put it back to Tier 6!  Don't believe me? Check your stats on it.  See what you come up with.  [edited]

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According to WoWs Numbers, the Cleveland at tier 8 isn't doing that bad - https://na.wows-numbers.com/ship/4076779504,Cleveland/

Sure. She is much less forgiving at tier 8 than she was at tier 6, but she faces the same pros and cons that any tier 8 cruiser has in a tier 9 or 10 match. When the Cleveland is used to her strengths, she shines. I've had a blast with her at tier 8, but I realize that her playstyle is not for everybody and not everyone enjoys higher tier matches.

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Meanwhile Mogami, a light Cruiser from 1935, is doing just fine. Edinburgh, a Light Cruiser from 1939, is doing just fine.

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7 minutes ago, daVinci761st said:

According to WoWs Numbers, the Cleveland at tier 8 isn't doing that bad - https://na.wows-numbers.com/ship/4076779504,Cleveland/

Sure. She is much less forgiving at tier 8 than she was at tier 6, but she faces the same pros and cons that any tier 8 cruiser has in a tier 9 or 10 match. When the Cleveland is used to her strengths, she shines. I've had a blast with her at tier 8, but I realize that her playstyle is not for everybody and not everyone enjoys higher tier matches.

Those stats are for all time.  They don't reflect the latest information regarding since they moved it to T8.

And if she has the same stats as what she had at T6, it is only obvious the worse problems she will have at T8.

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Just now, GrovelerWyrm73 said:

Those stats are for all time.  They don't reflect the latest information regarding since they moved it to T8.

And if she has the same stats as what she had at T6, it is only obvious the worse problems she will have at T8.

Nope. You are incorrect. That link is for the tier 8 Cleveland. Take a look again. It is only showing 52,217 battles - https://na.wows-numbers.com/ship/4076779504,Cleveland/

This is for the tier 6 Cleveland, which has over 6 million battles - https://na.wows-numbers.com/ship/4287543280,Cleveland-31-05-2018-/

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Neither does the recent stats for t8 cleveland reflects. Wait a month or two before coming to conclusions. Oh, and provide evidence.

You do realized how WG is not going to put back cleveland back into t6 considering she was never meant to be there in the first place. Cleve got jammed into t6 because WG at the time didn't have a t6 CL; Pensacola and New Orleans were actually older than her. in fact WG had to nerf her back in beta because she performed way too well without balancing twikes.

Oceans is rare map, that almost no ship ever works well in, that arguement is kinda invalid. 


Lastly, WG can alway buff the ship if it doesn't perform well enough. It's not the end of the world if they get it wrong. It is far easier to screw things up, than to fix things. WG may have had tests before the release of cleveland, but those were limited.

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I could have sworn Clevelands proved themselves handily in WW2.

 

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5 minutes ago, TheLastSterling said:

Neither does the recent stats for t8 cleveland reflects. Wait a month or two before coming to conclusions. Oh, and provide evidence.

You do realized how WG is not going to put back cleveland back into t6 considering she was never meant to be there in the first place. Cleve got jammed into t6 because WG at the time didn't have a t6 CL; Pensacola and New Orleans were actually older than her. in fact WG had to nerf her back in beta because she performed way too well without balancing twikes.

Oceans is rare map, that almost no ship ever works well in, that arguement is kinda invalid. 


Lastly, WG can alway buff the ship if it doesn't perform well enough. It's not the end of the world if they get it wrong. It is far easier to screw things up, than to fix things. WG may have had tests before the release of cleveland, but those were limited.

What are your predictions for the stats of Cleveland (in another 2-4 weeks) and the rest of the USN CLs compared to their same tier peers?

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18 minutes ago, Grand_Viceroy_Zhou_Ziyu said:

What are your predictions for the stats of Cleveland (in another 2-4 weeks) and the rest of the USN CLs compared to their same tier peers?

not sure, Haven't tried cleveland yet really. I'm just waiting for a long period for the stats to stablized before coming to conclusions really. Some people will do good, some won't. Based on Warships_Numbers, cleveland is doing goodimage.thumb.png.1080bc1f0275551b9baef9afd1ad900e.png


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1 minute ago, TheLastSterling said:

not sure, Haven't tried cleveland yet really. I'm just waiting for a long period for the stats to stablized before coming to conclusions really. Some people will do good, some won't. Based on Warships_Numbers, cleveland is doing goodimage.thumb.png.1080bc1f0275551b9baef9afd1ad900e.png
 

Baltimore's also doing good, and NO's performance is now on par with Myoko.

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44 minutes ago, daVinci761st said:

the Cleveland at tier 8 isn't doing that bad

This, in my opinion (and yes, I own and play one) is true.

26 minutes ago, TheLastSterling said:

in fact WG had to nerf her back in beta because she performed way too well without balancing twikes.

This is definitely true, I was there when that happened.

56 minutes ago, GrovelerWyrm73 said:

It is completely outclassed at that tier.

Not in the games I've had. 

22 minutes ago, Grand_Viceroy_Zhou_Ziyu said:

What are your predictions for the stats of Cleveland (in another 2-4 weeks) and the rest of the USN CLs compared to their same tier peers?

I predict that the new tier 8 Cleveland will do just fine, but that players will continue to complain anyways.

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32 minutes ago, TheLastSterling said:

Neither does the recent stats for t8 cleveland reflects. Wait a month or two before coming to conclusions. Oh, and provide evidence.

You do realized how WG is not going to put back cleveland back into t6 considering she was never meant to be there in the first place. Cleve got jammed into t6 because WG at the time didn't have a t6 CL; Pensacola and New Orleans were actually older than her. in fact WG had to nerf her back in beta because she performed way too well without balancing twikes.

Oceans is rare map, that almost no ship player ever works well in, that arguement is kinda invalid. 


Lastly, WG can alway buff the ship if it doesn't perform well enough. It's not the end of the world if they get it wrong. It is far easier to screw things up, than to fix things. WG may have had tests before the release of cleveland, but those were limited.

Fixed it ;P

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the only problem with the ship is the fact that some people still want to play it like they did at T6, and you just can't.

It's a light cruiser. now it plays like one.

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52 minutes ago, daVinci761st said:

Nope. You are incorrect. That link is for the tier 8 Cleveland. Take a look again. It is only showing 52,217 battles - https://na.wows-numbers.com/ship/4076779504,Cleveland/

This is for the tier 6 Cleveland, which has over 6 million battles - https://na.wows-numbers.com/ship/4287543280,Cleveland-31-05-2018-/

No. The problem is that you are comparing all time stats of T8 Cleveland(which is still a short time) to all time stats of other ships. 

You need to compare all ships in the same settings, same period of time, both solo or divisioned.

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1 hour ago, TheLastSterling said:

Neither does the recent stats for t8 cleveland reflects. Wait a month or two before coming to conclusions. Oh, and provide evidence.

You do realized how >>-->>WG is not going to put back cleveland back into t6 considering she was never meant to be there in the first place.<<<--<< Cleve got jammed into t6 because WG at the time didn't have a t6 CL; Pensacola and New Orleans were actually older than her. in fact WG had to nerf her back in beta because she performed way too well without balancing twikes.

Oceans is rare map, that almost no ship ever works well in, that arguement is kinda invalid. 


Lastly, WG can alway buff the ship if it doesn't perform well enough. It's not the end of the world if they get it wrong. It is far easier to screw things up, than to fix things. WG may have had tests before the release of cleveland, but those were limited.

Don't want it put back want it buffed back up to where it was before they nerfed her

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1 hour ago, TheLastSterling said:

Neither does the recent stats for t8 cleveland reflects. Wait a month or two before coming to conclusions. Oh, and provide evidence.

You do realized how WG is not going to put back cleveland back into t6 considering she was never meant to be there in the first place. Cleve got jammed into t6 because WG at the time didn't have a t6 CL; Pensacola and New Orleans were actually older than her. in fact WG had to nerf her back in beta because she performed way too well without balancing twikes.

Oceans is rare map, that almost no ship  cruiser ever works well in, that argument is kinda invalid. 


Lastly, WG can alway buff the ship if it doesn't perform well enough. It's not the end of the world if they get it wrong. It is far easier to screw things up, than to fix things. WG may have had tests before the release of cleveland, but those were limited.

 

39 minutes ago, LemonadeWarrior said:

Fixed it ;P

Fixed it too :cap_cool:

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Then please give some buff back so i can at least live long enough to say.....kill any other ship before i get hammered by 5 or 6 ships all looking to get a cheap kill.  This is getting ridiculous!

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2 minutes ago, GrovelerWyrm73 said:

Then please give some buff back so i can at least live long enough to say.....kill any other ship before i get hammered by 5 or 6 ships all looking to get a cheap kill.  This is getting ridiculous!

Then don't sail broadside and in the open...

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2 hours ago, GrovelerWyrm73 said:

Dev's,

Cleveland is a LIGHT CRUISER, built in 1942.  It NEVER was intended to be used fighting against heavy cruisers, and Battleships built in 1944-1950.  It is completely outclassed at that tier.  It does not have the hp, the firing range (Especially at stock), armor, or the firepower to be at Tier 8.  Everyone who knows and plays any T8-T10 battles knows this, and they take advantage of it...EVERY TIME.

You Dev's are setting it up for failure, especially if you use the Ocean map as the battle map.  Put it back to Tier 6!  Don't believe me? Check your stats on it.  See what you come up with.  IMHO this was a foolhardy move without much thought.

I understand you, and i know your feelings and Gandariel will tell you one Cleveland secret. /

Yet on the server, we have just 2 groups Cleveland players 

1. One play it without IHFE  - doing average dmg 20k and bouncing 80percnet shells with 300dmg max

2. Second, respec their captain to have IHFE skill on Cleveland doing 80k + DMG per battle and doing 3000dmg per volley.

 

If you have some doubloons o elite exp for respeccing your captain only skill you need on Cleveland is IHFE. 

There is one video on youtube where will explain to you why you feel underpowered with your Cleveland and why the hell you do  300 dmg to everything at t8-t10 

Enjoy your 80-130k dmg with Cleveland with IHFE 

 

You welcome 

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34 minutes ago, GrovelerWyrm73 said:

Then please give some buff back so i can at least live long enough to say.....kill any other ship before i get hammered by 5 or 6 ships all looking to get a cheap kill.  This is getting ridiculous!

Numerous players manage to perform well in the current Cleveland. If they can, you can do that as well. Try to improve your own gameplay, if you have questions, feel free to send a replay and people will help you.

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52 minutes ago, geser98 said:

Then don't sail broadside and in the open...

If it were that simple, I wouldn't have posted in the first place.

 

21 minutes ago, SireneRacker said:

Numerous players manage to perform well in the current Cleveland. If they can, you can do that as well. Try to improve your own gameplay, if you have questions, feel free to send a replay and people will help you.

I was playing rather.....superbly, imho, when it was T6, since it was my favorite American cruiser, and I played it a lot.  However, after being introduced into T8, there is absolutely no room for error.  So, after a 24 games tonight, of which i survived...NONE....I can say there is something there.

So, WG had this bright idea, moved my favorite ship to another tier, removed all upgrades and mods and ruined the experience for me.  Yeah, my idea of fun.

I guess its time to do the age old thing.....uninstall the game.  Not worth my time anymore.

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 If you not surviving and doing well when others have proven they can, then the issue is yourself. If your so petty, then play a different ship, and or wait for the T6 replacement light cruiser for cleveland line is coming. :Smile_facepalm:

Tough luck, game changes all the time, and  some people will hate them.

Unless you purposefullly do crap in cleveland enough, so that the server WR goes way down, maybe then will WG give your buffs. :cap_book:

 

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3 hours ago, GrovelerWyrm73 said:

You Dev's are setting it up for failure

 

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2 hours ago, GrovelerWyrm73 said:

Then please give some buff back so i can at least live long enough to say.....kill any other ship before i get hammered by 5 or 6 ships all looking to get a cheap kill.  This is getting ridiculous!

2 hours ago, geser98 said:

Then don't sail broadside and in the open...

It's a good rule for everyone, every ship has strong and weak sides. Watch some guides, check if captains perks are suitable, upgrades, etc. 
By the way, I can't see you have been playing Cleveland yet. 

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